Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, max duewel said:

Being part of the great cycle of the Earth and Nature.

As if what? Awakening makes you not part of Earth and Nature?

This notion that Awakening is an escape from mundane reality is silly. Awakening is direct contact with reality. Everything we do in this work and with Truth is about deeper contact with reality. We are not trying to run away into a cave. That is a cartoon stereotype. The guy living in the cave is as much in reality as the girl raising 3 children. More even because he is not distracted by mindless automatic survival.

The only point of the cave is to focus you on reality. To minimize distraction and drama.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

Hi Leo! As I was contemplating today about solipsism and the notion that I am God, In the news I read that a famous soccer player died in a car crash in Spain. 
As far as solipsism goes and me being God, does it mean that I killed him with my imagination? Why have I imagined precisely that soccer player to be killed and why not another one? I just began to learn about solipsism and God and I have no clue how it works. So far I am very skeptical of this being the case. 

You understand how dreams work, yeah?

The dream is not directed by you per se, but you are imagining the whole thing.

The whole physical world is a dream.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

In the masculinity and truth post you forgot to mention what I would say is the biggest thing. Women can't seek truth when they have to carry a baby for 9 months, then hold onto and feed the baby for another 1 year. Then even when the baby can walk the mother still needs to be there for like 5 more years.

Yeah, but I wanted to be fair. As a father of that child you also have to do a lot of work. So children are a distraction for men to. As a father you also can't just run away to cave.

Yes, the man can run away, but technically so can the mother.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You understand how dreams work, yeah?

The dream is not directed by you per se, but you are imagining the whole thing.

The whole physical world is a dream.

Ok. I got this. But why do we all have the same dream all at once? When I dream at night, I dream a different dream than you. How is this possible that all beings dream the same dream? After all I was born in 2000, you were born in 1985, if I am God, how came you lived 15 years without me, the one who imagined all reality? I contemplated a lot in the last year about solipsism and about the notion that I am God and I couldn't validate it for myself that what you talk about is true. To me reality is as real as it gets, when I got injured at work I felt tremendous pain and it didn't felt like a dream at all. After years of contemplation, and listening to your videos nonstop, I concluded that I can't validate for myself that I am God or that I hallucinate all this. Quite the opposite. I got even more entrenched in the material paradigm and atheism. What I could validate through my own experience is that the reality as a phenomenon could be a hallucination, like a cloud of smoke that keeps reshaping itself and changing itself to infinity. That cloud of hallucination I would call God. But I, the evolved chimpanzee that writes this, is part of that cloud, not the cloud as a solipsistic entity. If I were to be the creator of that cloud I could shape and alter reality, but I can't! I am at the whims of that cloud, the cloud decides what happens to me and not the other way around. That's why I couldn't validate solipsism and the notion that I am God.

[Sabth]

A mother of five for 30+ years vs *edit* a mother of four for 9 years. Vs every shitty mother in the world. 

[max duewel]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As if what? Awakening makes you not part of Earth and Nature?

This notion that Awakening is an escape from mundane reality is silly. Awakening is direct contact with reality. Everything we do in this work and with Truth is about deeper contact with reality. We are not trying to run away into a cave. That is a cartoon stereotype. The guy living in the cave is as much in reality as the girl raising 3 children. More even because he is not distracted by mindless automatic survival.

The only point of the cave is to focus you on reality. To minimize distraction and drama.

That was not the point being made. I meant that back then, people were hardcore about this insofar as dying and sacrificing for the integrity of this cycle. The differnce is that women were recognized as being closer to this hardcore truth. I intended to bring nuance to the notion that masculine detachment is superior for truth as to feminine involvement. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, max duewel said:

The differnce is that women were recognized as being closer to this hardcore truth.

Being lost in survival is not hardcore truth, it is everyone's condition.

Be careful not to romanticize how people lived in the past. They mostly lived like animals, not sages.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

But why do we all have the same dream all at once?

Why do you assume that there is any dream but yours?

Do you have any evidence whatsoever of other dreams? None. Yet you believe it. Why?

[max duewel]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Being lost in survival is not hardcore truth, it is everyone's condition.

Be careful not to romanticize how people lived in the past. They mostly lived like animals, not sages.

That's part of it, yes. But also accepting yourself as a limited part of Teotel and living according to that sounds pretty hardcore to me. And what about Birth?. Isn't the experience of going through Birth nature's psychedelic?

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

when I got injured at work I felt tremendous pain and it didn't felt like a dream at all.

That's a dream.

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After years of contemplation, and listening to your videos nonstop, I concluded that I can't validate for myself that I am God or that I hallucinate all this.

Because you refuse to take psychedelics.

You refuse to do the work required to understand the deepest truths.

That is your choice.

Realizing that the physical world is a hallucination requires insane levels of consciousness. Seriously. That level of consciousness is unimaginable.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, max duewel said:

But also accepting yourself as a limited part of Teotel and living according to that sounds pretty hardcore to me.

No. It's not hardcore. It's an excuse and a dodge from doing real work.

The self will make any excuse to avoid self-annihilation. Being lost in illlusion is framed as spiritual or noble or "my truth". No. You're still just being selfish and unconscious.

Edited July 3 by Leo Gura

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Leo, what about the feminine path to enlightenment? The one based on devotion and opening the heart chakra?

The following video explains it pretty well, and gives an example of a woman who awakened via this path:

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Do you think that this is the reason all religions across the world were patriarchal? That put men on a moral pedestal while objectifying women? Could this be the reason why religions treated women like shit while allowing men to be like the women's owner? 

Because men deeply fear women. Deeply fear their own motivation and drive toward them. Fear loss of control 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Hello Leo,

Do you feel qualified to speak for the feminine path, when you are, in this current form, a predominantly masculine entity? 

I am sure you consider that the masculine frame with which you see reality could be blind to other nuances. 

I myself in this life ended up with a feminine body and disposition. But I am quite balanced. I do not have very much attachment to my sex. I take less offense as a result. 

Having said that, you must admit you have no experience of the feminine path to enlightenment. Your expertise is in the masculine, no? 

Women grow, carry and give birth to life. They bring forth consciousness in a new form to experience. This is creativity. Their bodies sacrifice, just as men sacrifice for truth. 

Our greatest flaws are that we don't love hard enough. I raise that you will never know the love of birth and growth within. 

Can you argue this is not truth? Birth? Is it just survival? It is bringing forth new consciousness. A new piece of the infinity of God. I put forth there is truth there. Truth only found through the totality of being. Birth. Creation. Art. 

 

 

[CARDOZZO]

41 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Hello Leo,

Do you feel qualified to speak for the feminine path, when you are, in this current form, a predominantly masculine entity? 

I am sure you consider that the masculine frame with which you see reality could be blind to other nuances. 

I myself in this life ended up with a feminine body and disposition. But I am quite balanced. I do not have very much attachment to my sex. I take less offense as a result. 

Having said that, you must admit you have no experience of the feminine path to enlightenment. Your expertise is in the masculine, no? 

Women grow, carry and give birth to life. They bring forth consciousness in a new form to experience. This is creativity. Their bodies sacrifice, just as men sacrifice for truth. 

Our greatest flaws are that we don't love hard enough. I raise that you will never know the love of birth and growth within. 

Can you argue this is not truth? Birth? Is it just survival? It is bringing forth new consciousness. A new piece of the infinity of God. I put forth there is truth there. Truth only found through the totality of being. Birth. Creation. Art. 

I understand yourself. This is a sensitive topic.

We have different kinds of teachings and spiritual gurus. I think that you can choose one teaching or spiritual guru based on the essence of his teachings (Masculine x Feminine).

We have masculine essence teaching (Leo Gura, Peter Ralston, Jed McKenna, James Swartz) who are more grounded, detached, rough and direct.

We have feminine essence teaching (David R. Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Adyashanti, Rupert Spira) who are compassionate, caring and loving.

I'm learning how to navigate both spiritual frameworks. 

Edited July 3 by CARDOZZO

[TheEnigma]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a dream.

Because you refuse to take psychedelics.

You refuse to do the work required to understand the deepest truths.

That is your choice.

Realizing that the physical world is a hallucination requires insane levels of consciousness. Seriously. That level of consciousness is unimaginable.

How many times the level of consciousness of an average stage orange individual in North America would it take to realize the hallucination of the physical world? Or realizing realism isn't truth?

Edited July 3 by TheEnigma

[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru

My girlfriend had very feminine spirituality. All kinds of new age thoughts  also. But also seeing and talking to other gods like jesus, zeus, gaia, prophets and so on. But on one day she had one deep breakthrough of 5 Meo and she saw the truth like Leo did. She saw there is only one. After that Feminine spirituality was reduced to a minimum and Solipsism replaced that. She is alone and everything. Still she has a feminine side on spirituality but not so new agy.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 3 by OBEler

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As if what? Awakening makes you not part of Earth and Nature?

This notion that Awakening is an escape from mundane reality is silly. Awakening is direct contact with reality. Everything we do in this work and with Truth is about deeper contact with reality. We are not trying to run away into a cave. That is a cartoon stereotype. The guy living in the cave is as much in reality as the girl raising 3 children. More even because he is not distracted by mindless automatic survival.

The only point of the cave is to focus you on reality. To minimize distraction and drama.

 

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, TheEnigma said:

How many times the level of consciousness of an average stage orange individual in North America would it take to realize the hallucination of the physical world?

I can't answer that because consciousness is not a quantity.

A few grams of mushrooms worth of consciousness.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Leo, what about the feminine path to enlightenment? The one based on devotion and opening the heart chakra?

I am open to that. But it still requires consciousness of Truth in the end.