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[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura is the book just about consciousess, spirituality, etc. or other more practical topics as well? Is it away from the human domain and largely about existential truth? 

It is pure epistemology and metaphysics. It is not about personal development. It's about advancing mankind's understanding of mind and reality.

Edited June 27 by Leo Gura

[gengar]

I hope you wlil position the style and tone in such a way for it to be the best rebuttal of materialist metaphysics, so that it is basically meant as something to be read by a professor Dave or his ilk.



 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, gengar said:

I hope you wlil position the style and tone in such a way for it to be the best rebuttal of materialist metaphysics, so that it is basically meant as something to be read by a professor Dave or his ilk.

Writing for someone as pigheaded as him is a mistake.

But yes, materialism will be deconstructed.

[Rafael Thundercat]

A supplement to the post about Tony Robbins 

 

[Thought Art]

I think there are aspects of the Mel Robbins video you shared where I could question his interpretation of interviewee/ interviewer intention and authenticity. Someone could cry tears about others pain, believe in sharing their message and sell books. Someone can sell a book, and care about their audience. 
 

You can’t reach lots of people without these marketing tactics. Humans have a psychological structure. Marketing isn’t all bad. 
 

Guys, it’s worth listening to Leo I think he has a good eye and understanding of corruption. But, also be wary of him on this. He’s been sharing a lot of negative stuff lately. Can’t be healthy to binge all that.  
 

Be wary of those who make their careers shedding shadows on others. I think the guy who did the Mel Robbins/ Jay Shetty espose/ critique even at times misrepresents what Jay is saying. He wasn’t speaking about affirmations around 23 minutes in but the YouTuber making the critique says he was. Odd. Jay Sherry spoke about how attitude and meaning made a menial, and gross job something valuable. No how they used positive affirmation to change their opinion of their job. He didn’t say that changed from low to high. Which makes sense, your attitude shapes how you see your work. Then, at 25:02 the YouTuber shows a quote which he says contradicts what Jay was saying. Which, it doesn’t really, as the point can co-exist that interpersonal and internal perspective can effect how someone gains meaning or value from their work. And, though he didn’t find in his research the exact words the researchers wrote, or what was quoted in law where Jay refered it doesn’t mean they don’t exist. 
 

The guy has a clear bias as well. Why can’t I find something meaningful? And who is he to say I do or don’t? Who is he to make Jay or Mel, bad actors who don’t care? That seems a bit odd. 
 

The sharing and proliferation of information requires marketing and use of psychology. Is that inherently evil?

Edited June 29 by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

I won’t explicate all my reasons why but I am pushing back on Leo’s recent post against Mel Robbins. She teaches basic self help intended to motivate and provide some psychological comfort which helps basic people. 
 

Her marketing is aligned with her message. And she can love her audience. She can move humanity and people. Can can build a business and profit too. 
 

Leo, and this YouTube making the critique love to posture as moral authority but I beckon you to see it for yourself. I really think it’s important not to take Leo’s opinions on everything as true. These YouTubers are convincing and also playing psychological tricks, whether knowingly or not. 
 

The guy critiquing Mel has a clear general bias. He makes lots of assumptions and claims to know true intentions which he can’t really. His research is questionable, and his interpretation skills are also questionable.
 

Make your own conclusion. Don’t fall into Leo’s gloom traps. But, focus on discernment, and wisdom development.

Edited June 29 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art I agree that the video I posted isn't a strong example of her corruption. I should have looked for a stronger video. I'm pretty confident it could be found.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura At the end he also claims she:

1. Is doing harm and a disservice to humanity. But, from my brief research, familiarity with her via Brendon Burchard who I have grown very fond of and what the core subjects of her books are about she is providing basic self help and psychological comfort to people. People likely benefit as to her popularity. Not just empty, cold calculated love bombing and marketing funny sales copy. She does not, nor does Jay pose as psychologists. Nor do they just flaunt « positive thinking » and « positive affirmation ». That is a straw man. 

2. The YouTuber also claims she makes people less resilient to to the stress and challenges of daily living. How? He never explained that just finished with th claim after framing her in a demonizing light. 
 

Could you find example of gross stage orange behaviour etc? I’m of course open to that possibility. This video however is not a good example. 
 

Be careful lacking nuance I think, when we judge the character of others that can easily be smudged by negative framing and being well spoken as is this YouTuber. 
 

I am open to being wrong. But, I suspect this YouTuber is actually wrong, or at least not entirely correct, and likely is framing this with a negative bias. He, to me interpreted the things said by those in the video different from me, attributing falseness, fakeness, pure manipulation, fake emotions, etc of itch Jay, Mel and the other guest. 
 

This to me is not a critique from above. 

Edited June 29 by Thought Art

[gengar]

On 6/28/2025 at 2:24 AM, Leo Gura said:

Writing for someone as pigheaded as him is a mistake.

But yes, materialism will be deconstructed.

But the pigs are the ones who are to be convinced, right? do you really wanna convince some new agers, or go for the true priest class of today, namely the hardcore materialists like Dave? 

Why would that be a mistake? if you can convince him, you can convince anybody, so wouldn't that be "shoot for the stars and aim for the moon"?

 

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

her books are about she is providing basic self help and psychological comfort to people.

This doesn't contradict my point.

Of course basic self-help provides value to people. Tony Robbins provides value. But he is at the center of the corruption of that field.

The point of my post was to point out how the field is corrupt, not to pick on Mel per se. She is part of a much larger pattern that is clear there. I didn't make it up. It it worse than people know. I try to find videos to point out what I already know from the inside.

Edited June 29 by Leo Gura

[Magnanimous]

@Leo GuraI remember a couple of years back you said you were gonna transform your face into an Alien God 🤯

Any updates on that?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Idk, Leo. That selection may not and highlighting it only misrepresents my point overall.

Edited June 29 by Thought Art

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Rate Succession. The score is brilliant also.

It initially intrigued me as I work with all my family running our business (it is hell, hell) - so I went for it to witness that dynamic. 

Surprisingly, it delivered heaps more - which you touched on.

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura I know google, open ai, etc. are corrupt in so many ways .. but how do I make sense of some of this stuff .. a) theres actually so much good done in society. I believe the only reason most of us on this forum are alive right now and happy is because of such capitalism. I found you on YouTube, owned by google. I'm typing on a macbook made by apple, who do corrupt things in 3rd world countries, yet the macbook did a ton of good also. Open AI's ChatGPT is saving lives medically, helping me a ton with creative ideas and elevating my business, etc. .. 

I don't deny the massive corruption done by these businesses, but isn't far more good done by these businesses. I was recently thinking how is it possible all these businesses do so much good for society. And I came to the conclusion that the economy is built on this idea of providing in-demand goods and services to customers, meeting their demands. Because they got obsessed with meeting demands, all of humanity has been elevated by that form of capitalism. 

I'm just trying to make sense of this. Is it truthful to just point out the corruption of capitalism while not acknowledging that capitalism has likely done far more good for society. (Of course I'm not talking about very dirty wall street, etc.) but just from your blog post referencing "The corporate world is basically one giant disease and they themselves do not know it." 

It's my take that the corporate world is a vote humanity has made to whore itself out spiritually for the material benefit of all of humanity. But the tricky part here is that spirituality is built on a foundation of survival, and such capitalism has done massive wonders for our survival. 

Am I wrong anywhere in my thinking? would you agree or do you have a different take? 

[Leo Gura]

@Jayson G You make valid points. Focusing only on corruption is not truthful. You gotta see the full picture, bad and good.

But hey, when one of these corporate jackels personally fucks you, maybe you'll sing another tune.

Edited June 30 by Leo Gura

[Kid A]

I don't get how people can enjoy shows like Succession. I had to quit after a few episodes because I wanted all the characters to die slow and painful deaths. 

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Kid A said:

I don't get how people can enjoy shows like Succession. I had to quit after a few episodes because I wanted all the characters to die slow and painful deaths. 

Yeah, the first 5 episodes were tough to stomach. But I got into it after that.

It's not so much enjoyable as a study in corrupt psychology. More like a documentary.

Edited June 30 by Leo Gura

[Jayson G]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Jayson G You make valid points. Focusing only on corruption is not truthful. You gotta see the full picture, bad and good.

But hey, when one of these corporate jackels personally fucks you, maybe you'll sing another tune.

@Leo Gura I mean I've been semi-royally fucked by Amazon. They shut my 6-figure business down overnight because their "system" prioritized the end customer over my business. I had a negative perception of amazon for a while, but at the end of the day I still think capitalism overall does far more good than bad. 

Even if I was truly royally fucked by some corporate jackel, I'd just be talking from hurt, when my truth radar suggests capitalism does far more good than bad. 

Covid was stopped by capitalism and AI from my understanding with breakthroughs in the vaccine. The nuclear bomb invented in USA was like a startup that defeated Germany. 

Even when I look all around me, I see a social reality with the cream of the crop products around me, products that won competition to create the reality all of us live. 

I'd be happy to be shown otherwise that ruthless capitalism doesn't do more good than bad. I also don't like thinking that it does more good than bad. But from my current understanding, that is what I see. The very definition of capitalism is centered around the good of humanity. 

But I think it works like this: All the top corporate structures have a stakeholder priority system and strategy aimed at maximum profit, that usually puts the end customer first. The last stakeholder gets fucked the most (which is why we have a lot of environmentalism issues), etc. But its like that ethics discussion: Are you willing to sacrifice one person in the dungeon to power a city of 100 people? It's a very tough question I've tried to solve but I could never quite. Corporations and government sacrifice that 1 person for the 100 people. I partly see that as the "greater good" or even aligned with truth because they are not letting that 1 person bias whats best for society. But also that harming of the 1 person is corrupt as well. 

I guess my overall take is that corporate entities and government is overall good for society. But the individual people running it are often evil. But even these people as a whole do evil that leads to good for society, because goodness for society is aligned with their evil interests with some exceptions. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

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A example of Someone not swayed by Money,Fame,Sex..

Muhammad Ali

 

[EternalForest]

18 hours ago, Kid A said:

I don't get how people can enjoy shows like Succession. I had to quit after a few episodes because I wanted all the characters to die slow and painful deaths. 

I sympathize with Kendall tbh. It ain't easy being the black sheep