Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[gengar]

@Leo Gura Wait, you actually believe in remote viewing? Isn't it clear that all that stuff is as BS as it comes? I thought you were doing elite level epistemology and know you come with this kind of cookery?

I thought you cut through all those fantasies, the same way with your magic healing that didn't work out. I went through the same thing, but ended not being able to anything about my perpetual suffering. Isn't it clear that this world is entirely materialistic and naturalistic? I agree that in essence the universe is Consciousness and just a dream, and that no material substance actually exists; however the dream is entirely devoid of physical magic. How are you not humbled by the fact that your healing didn't work out, even though on psychedelics you were so clear that you could do it? Isn't it clear that this world is brutal and physical, and that all our human survival instincts and functions of consciousness are based on this?

Just like World of Warcraft being in essence, simply electrical signals in the hardware, that fact has nothing to do with the rules of the virtual world. Just like WoW, our universe pertains to the rules of this world which are the physical laws, and all empirical evidence leads to this fact, right? how else could you return from a total Awakening where you have no body, are completely gone in the void, God, whatever, how many infinite levels of awakening you've shared to have had, yet always return to this body? because the body remains in it's physical state and no matter how hard you trip, you can do nothing about the physical state of the universe. Why else would you have to return? If you reach infinite Awakening, can't you just dream up whatever you want, yet you choose to return to your myopic existence as a human, which you don't have the highest opinion of anyway? (You've shared many times how stupid human existence is, and how better "Alien" levels of being are - clearly you're not above choosing to leave the human existence)

What evidence do you have of remote viewing existing?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but this requires extraordinary evidence and scientific reasoning that you haven't shared. What is your actual worldview on this?
 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, gengar said:

@Leo Gura Wait, you actually believe in remote viewing? Isn't it clear that all that stuff is as BS as it comes? I thought you were doing elite level epistemology and know you come with this kind of cookery?

I thought you cut through all those fantasies, the same way with your magic healing that didn't work out. I went through the same thing, but ended not being able to anything about my perpetual suffering. Isn't it clear that this world is entirely materialistic and naturalistic? I agree that in essence the universe is Consciousness and just a dream, and that no material substance actually exists; however the dream is entirely devoid of physical magic. How are you not humbled by the fact that your healing didn't work out, even though on psychedelics you were so clear that you could do it? Isn't it clear that this world is brutal and physical, and that all our human survival instincts and functions of consciousness are based on this?

Just like World of Warcraft being in essence, simply electrical signals in the hardware, that fact has nothing to do with the rules of the virtual world. Just like WoW, our universe pertains to the rules of this world which are the physical laws, and all empirical evidence leads to this fact, right? how else could you return from a total Awakening where you have no body, are completely gone in the void, God, whatever, how many infinite levels of awakening you've shared to have had, yet always return to this body? because the body remains in it's physical state and no matter how hard you trip, you can do nothing about the physical state of the universe. Why else would you have to return? If you reach infinite Awakening, can't you just dream up whatever you want, yet you choose to return to your myopic existence as a human, which you don't have the highest opinion of anyway? (You've shared many times how stupid human existence is, and how better "Alien" levels of being are - clearly you're not above choosing to leave the human existence)

What evidence do you have of remote viewing existing?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but this requires extraordinary evidence and scientific reasoning that you haven't shared. What is your actual worldview on this?
 

He said 'this guy claims'

'imagine'

I think its more about out of the box thinking, rather than displaying a belief in remote viewing.

My interpretation 

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, gengar said:

What evidence do you have of remote viewing existing?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but this requires extraordinary evidence and scientific reasoning that you haven't shared. What is your actual worldview on this?

How do you know it doesn't work?

There are many credible stories of the government using remote viewers for espionage. It's not just hippie stuff. The research on remote viewing is compelling and credible, if you bother to study it.

Edited Wednesday at 01:04 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The guy behind this channel looks at evidence and usually tries to debunk.

If anyone is curious 

[Thought Art]

Remote viewing is discussed a lot in this channel:

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:15 AM by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art Yeah, Mishlove has a great channel. I will share it on the blog soon.

[CARDOZZO]

Remote Viewing 101

 

[CARDOZZO]

https://ingoswann.com/

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Thanks for the shares all, some more juicy listening for later. I particularly enjoy the Stargate Project overlap stuff.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

My ass is not that phat.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura 

Are you talking about Jeffrey mishlove? I love watching his channel especially his interview with Pinker, Terrence McKenna and also Daryl anka if we're referring about the same person. He's a wonderful interviewer and I've been watching him since I was 17 starting on my psychedelic and personal development journey

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Are you talking about Jeffrey mishlove?

Of course

[Ulax]

21 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Look no further to see Leo rocking his epic sandals.

Mr Steal yo dmt 

[gengar]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Thought Art Yeah, Mishlove has a great channel. I will share it on the blog soon.

I've listened to multiple videos today from the channel including ones about remote viewing. while most seem interesting, there are also videos of pseudo-historical nature, like a woman "remote-viewing" into ancient "Atlantis" and describing the society she sees. This is radically different than a verifiable cases of remote viewing like successfully hitting a target.

Why do these interesting, "boundary-pushing" science channels about things like parapsychology always still tend to go into fields of cookery like channeled accounts of Atlantis and ancient Egypt and the like, and other speculative pseudo-history of the like of Graham Hancock etc? It doesn't really give way to the scientific nature of the channel that it proclaims to have.

Wikipedia also reports that the Stargate project (the CIA project that was launched to study remote viewing) was terminated because it didn't wield any tangible results. Wikipedia also reports that remote viewing is generally considered pseudoscience by the scientific community.

Notice that this is different from academia's mistake of how it views Consciousness, since that is a mistake of thinking and assumption - materialist theory of consciousness doesn't have anything to do with empirical evidence, but with philosophy, philosophy of science, dogma, group-think and a plain lack of consciousness.

In contrast, however, are phenomena like remote viewing, which are to be studied and observed in an empirical manner. It's either true or not true based on the empirical evidence, which means we can give a lot more leeway to academia when studying these manners.

@Leo Gura What makes you say that the evidence is sound for remote viewing? can you share any studies with me? I'm no scientific expert, so I would  appreciate it if you did. This is no light manner.

Also, if you claim remote viewing and, potentially other forms of parapsychology, to be real, what is the mechanism by which it manifests in the world? Do you hypothesize actual other dimensions like astral dimensions, which are often postulated in conjunction with these parapsychological phenomena, which often makes skeptical people's eyeballs roll, because of how new-agey that all seems to be?
 

[Davino]

Regarding you blog post on states I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, your video on States of Consciousness is Everything has been the most instrumental in making sense of the workings of consciousness. I would be so puzzled without such insight and it really is a muscle I've developed: to explore different states of consciousness and my ability to shift between them. Even I've started combining them, getting independently into states of at high definition consciousness and clarity; then getting into expansive states, where I expand into my room, the sky and so on; finally I discovered you can combine states into a new state. To merge panoramic consciousness & fine-grained consciousness into an aesthetic phenomenologically sublime state of consciousness. 

Thanks to states I know why I am not God Conscious all the time despite being God and all the weird corners of consciousness and Infinity that Reality can permute into. It's such a central aspect of consciousness and for me it displays the feminine quality or innate workings or the fabric of Consciousness & Infinite Mind. You can get Absolute Consciousness (masculine or the God-I-Infinity) but to grasp the mechanics of consciousness is equally important to make sense of the present experience and the spiritual path.

From such understanding, one can easily see how religion, sex, sport or drugs are but doors for realms of states of consciousness, like keys opening the Infinite Mind of God.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, gengar said:

I've listened to multiple videos today from the channel including ones about remote viewing. while most seem interesting, there are also videos of pseudo-historical nature, like a woman "remote-viewing" into ancient "Atlantis" and describing the society she sees. This is radically different than a verifiable cases of remote viewing like successfully hitting a target.

Why do these interesting, "boundary-pushing" science channels about things like parapsychology always still tend to go into fields of cookery like channeled accounts of Atlantis and ancient Egypt and the like, and other speculative pseudo-history of the like of Graham Hancock etc? It doesn't really give way to the scientific nature of the channel that it proclaims to have.

There is definitely BS on New Age channels. You gotta be selective about it.

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In contrast, however, are phenomena like remote viewing, which are to be studied and observed in an empirical manner. It's either true or not true based on the empirical evidence, which means we can give a lot more leeway to academia when studying these manners.

@Leo Gura What makes you say that the evidence is sound for remote viewing? can you share any studies with me? I'm no scientific expert, so I would  appreciate it if you did. This is no light manner.

A lot of credible research has been done on remote viewing and ESP. Check out the work of Dean Radin and others. I will not supply you with studies. Go and make the effort to find it. This is not a topic where I will spoon feed you stuff. Either you are serious enough to put in the effort to research it, or you are not.

[bazera]

@Leo Gura A question regarding your states post:

So as I understand, there are many non-ordinary (non-human-default) states that we can access through meditation, contemplation, yoga, psychedelics (different psychedelics with different states), breathwork, lucid dreaming, astral projection, etc.

But as I know you mean a very specific state when you say Awakening, where you realize yourself as God (or maybe as separate first, but still).

Is that right? and if so, what are the best ways of accessing that specific state that you call Awakening, and why does it take so long, meaning that why can't just a random guy have a state change with one method with one try, why do we need many iterations of psychedelics for example.

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

So as I understand, there are many non-ordinary (non-human-default) states that we can access through meditation, contemplation, yoga, psychedelics (different psychedelics with different states), breathwork, lucid dreaming, astral projection, etc.

Indeed.

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But as I know you mean a very specific state when you say Awakening, where you realize yourself as God (or maybe as separate first, but still).

Is that right?

To be precise, I mean a range of states.

Awakening is not one state, it is a vast range of states.

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and if so, what are the best ways of accessing that specific state that you call Awakening,

Psychedelics.

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and why does it take so long, meaning that why can't just a random guy have a state change with one method with one try,

You can.

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why do we need many iterations of psychedelics for example.

Psychedelics are not effective for some people due to genetic factors. The psychedelic can change your state but doesn't necessarily elevate you into the Awakened state range. This may require finding the right type of psychedelic, which most people are unwilling to do.

Some people have such a low baseline state that even psychedelics are not enough, or require very high doses. Some people's minds are so confused and murky that it takes many iterations of psychedelics to clear up the confusion, emotional baggage, trauma, wrong beliefs, ideology, etc.

Your state can be stuck at low due to trauma, emotional baggage, fear, or ideological attachment. So that stuff needs to be worked out before one is able to access higher states.

Do not underestimate the huge role genetics plays in one's state. State is predominately genetic.

Edited Wednesday at 06:18 PM by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

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Your state can be stuck at low due to trauma, emotional baggage, fear, or ideological attachment. So that stuff needs to be worked out before one is able to access higher states.

Does psychedelics boost that work as well? Or maybe a traditional therapist or breathwork or something can be more effective.

So what if I don't have an access to psychedelics (yet) and I want to Awaken, and I'm not much genetically gifted spiritually,  I guess I have to work with what I've got, and as you mentioned elsewhere, the second most powerful thing can be weeks of meditation nonstop.

But still, if I envision to have access to psychedelics (maybe afford traveling in a few years to places where can I trip), how can I prepare (clear up the confusion, emotional baggage, trauma, wrong beliefs, ideology, etc) without them? 

My answer to that is basically do the epistemological work that you (and maybe Ralston) teach, question everyting, contemplate a lot sober as well, clean up information intake, make the body as healthy as possible, have some manual spiritual practices even if they don't change the state that much day after day, etc.

What would you say?

[The Crocodile]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How do you know it doesn't work?

There are many credible stories of the government using remote viewers for espionage. It's not just hippie stuff. The research on remote viewing is compelling and credible, if you bother to study it.

You watched Stranger Things?

I thought it was probably overrated, but it's well rated, it's very good.

Edited Wednesday at 06:38 PM by The Crocodile