Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Nivsch]

8 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Iran made the worst mistake it can do.

Bye bye Iran and all their plans for nuclear weapons.

The Iranians themselves (most) are great, but the regime and his nuclear plan need to be treated.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Nivsch

[Atb210201]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The Iranians themselves (most) are great, but the regime and his nuclear plan need to be treated.

Hope you're safe my friend I know you live in Israel I'm from Iran. Please stay safe brother much love.

[zazen]

@Nivsch Hope you and your loved ones are safe.

Hopefully this wakes up the international community to step in and de-escalate the situation. If Israel responds (which is likely) this will get worse.

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, zazen said:

@Nivsch Hope you and your loved ones are safe.

Hopefully this wakes up the international community to step in and de-escalate the situation. If Israel responds (which is likely) this will get worse.

Who should step in?

[zazen]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Who should step in?

The world should step in to pressure the US to stop facilitating Israel to the extent it is. When the child is being unruly, it’s the parent that other parents in the room go to. In this case America has given Israel a free pass to do as they please for far too long.

When they call on Israel to de-escalate, ceasefire and clean up their conduct and then go on to send billions despite Israel never listening - that becomes an unhealthy habit of behaviour that becomes a moral hazard for Israel itself.

Some amongst the US elite even wish to use Israel as a Middle Eastern political battering ram, to see Israel escalate against Iran but who will bear none of the costs or pay the blood price for their neocon fantasies. If America didn’t unconditionally back Israel, Israel wouldn’t do what it’s doing and we wouldn’t be where we are.

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1841135520715342013?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, zazen said:

The world should step in to pressure the US to stop facilitating Israel to the extent it is. When the child is being unruly, it’s the parent that other parents in the room go to. In this case America has given Israel a free pass to do as they please for far too long.

When they call on Israel to de-escalate, ceasefire and clean up their conduct and then go on to send billions despite Israel never listening - that becomes an unhealthy habit of behaviour that becomes a moral hazard for Israel itself.

Some amongst the US elite even wish to use Israel as a Middle Eastern political battering ram, to see Israel escalate against Iran but who will bear none of the costs or pay the blood price for their neocon fantasies. If America didn’t unconditionally back Israel, Israel wouldn’t do what it’s doing and we wouldn’t be where we are.

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1841135520715342013?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

If the boys (Israel and Iran) 

want to fight, maybe let them fight.

They have all those missiles they want to test, all that tough talk about who is the toughest boy on the block.

Obviously it’s bad when civilians mostly get harmed and it would be nice if the leaders just blew up each other. 
 

But even some good stuff came out of WW2.

 

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

Hope you're safe my friend I know you live in Israel I'm from Iran. Please stay safe brother much love.

 

1 hour ago, zazen said:

@Nivsch Hope you and your loved ones are safe.

Hopefully this wakes up the international community to step in and de-escalate the situation. If Israel responds (which is likely) this will get worse.

Thank you guys 🙏

[Nivsch]

@PurpleTree As an Israeli I feel that it can be very good, IF Israel will behave smart and use this gold opportunity to remove this nuclear threat and in that sense this war can have purpose, beside the tangible purpose in Lebanon.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Nivsch

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

@PurpleTree As an Israeli I feel that it can be very good, IF Israel will behave smart, to use this gold opportunity to remove this nuclear threat and in that sense this war can have purpose, beside the tangible purpose in Lebanon.

But even if Israel were destroy a nuclear facility in Iran by military force, it still wouldn't stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. 

[royce]

[Nivsch]

4 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But even if Israel were destroy a nuclear facility in Iran by military force, it still wouldn't stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. 

Why? They still didn't enrich the Uranium to 90%.

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@PurpleTree As an Israeli I feel that it can be very good, IF Israel will behave smart, to use this gold opportunity to remove this nuclear threat and in that sense this war can have purpose, beside the tangible purpose in Lebanon.

I was just listening to a talk where the guy said Russia wants North Korea to becone a stronger nuclear power for the rivalry Russia/China etc. vs West.

don’t know if it’s true

Russia will probably want to help Iran speed up its nuclear program too.

 

[royce]

**Preliminary Analysis of the Recent Iranian Military Strike on Israel**

- Sameh Askar

**Firstly:** It is clear that the Revolutionary Guards intervened against the wishes of Bazashkian, who had been reluctant, hesitant, or fearful to respond to the assassination of Haniyeh. This strike is clearly the work of the Revolutionary Guards, not the Iranian presidency. This is a complex situation understood only by those familiar with the nature and fabric of Iranian society and its political system.

**Secondly:** The strike was larger than the one on April 15th, and it is likely that it involved dozens of hypersonic missiles. This explains the inability of the Zionist air defenses to intercept them, as most of the missiles passed through the American defense wall that NATO has established around Israel since the "flood."

**Thirdly:** The results of the strike are still subject to speculation, but it is likely that it hit significant military targets, destroying equipment and aircraft, and possibly killing high-ranking military or political leaders. This remains within the realm of possibility, given Israel's strict military censorship on news about strikes against its military zones in particular.

**Fourthly:** Iran has effectively entered the war, as Israel will undoubtedly respond, prompting the Revolutionary Guards to retaliate with an even fiercer blow multiple times larger.

**Fifthly:** The timing of the strike was critical in boosting morale and regaining the initiative for the "Axis of Resistance," which had previously lost it due to Bazashkian's policies and his mismanagement, including sacrificing Lebanese resistance leaders.

**Sixthly:** Today, Israel received a significant blow, a "shock" that will force it to step back from its peace and truce initiatives. As mentioned before, Israel will not seriously consider peace without a significant shock. What happened today, including the Lebanese and Iranian strikes and the recent operation in Tel Aviv, has created this much-needed shock. Israeli leaders will inevitably consider the balance of interests, a thought process they had abandoned when they sensed fear, cowardice, and weakness within the Axis, particularly from the reformist leadership of President Bazashkian.

**Seventh and finally:** I had anticipated this strike, regardless of the delay, and criticized its postponement. I predicted that delaying and showing fear would lead to Israel's further aggression and ability to seize the initiative. Had this strike not been delayed, Israel might not have dared to assassinate Nasrallah. However, better late than never.

 

**Currently, in Israel, there is one main focus: (Assessing the Iranian Military Strike)**

Israel's behavior in the upcoming hours and days will reveal the extent and impact of this strike. Based on the reports and visuals from within Israel, captured by Israeli photographers, the Iranian strikes have destroyed military bases, airports, and institutions.

The initial Israeli reaction is one of "threatened frenzy": promises of total annihilation, comprehensive war, revenge, refusal to stay silent, and targeting the Middle East. Statements such as "The enemy will regret it" indicate that the Iranian strikes were highly effective. According to the spokesperson of the Israeli Defense Forces, an announcement was issued urging citizens not to film or document the sites of missile impacts, termed as "impact locations," and threatening punishment for those who do.

Those who filmed the Iranian missiles will likely face punishment from Ben Gvir’s police, possibly on charges like threatening national security. However, Ben Gvir seems unaware that the range of Iranian airstrikes was so vast that even Egyptians in Sinai captured footage and live-streamed the Iranian missiles striking areas in the Negev and the surroundings of Gaza.

Israel now faces two options:

1. **A strong response proportionate to the magnitude of the Iranian strike**, which will expose it to a retaliatory attack from the Revolutionary Guards. This would likely involve a wider attack that would, for the first time, target civilian areas.
   
2. **Swallow the poison and de-escalate military tensions in the region**, either by delivering a token, agreed-upon response or by remaining silent and choosing not to respond. Should this happen, Israel's deterrence balance would collapse, shifting the initiative to the Axis of Resistance.

We are facing critical hours and days. While they may not be decisive, they are significant as they form part of the ongoing conflict between Zionism and the diverse peoples of the Middle East. This is a struggle that, even after 80 years of the entity's presence, demonstrates that it remains a malignant outpost, rejected by the people of the East, who will continue to fight against it regardless of the sacrifices involved.

[Hatfort]

The escalation in the last weeks has been enormous. Israel has been acting unrestrained, the pager attack and Hezbollah leader assassination, plus hundreds of civilians in the same residential zone. The country in celebration, Netanyahu even more emboldened, not only to continue on Gaza, but on Lebanon, with no sign of stepping back at all.

Iran has now attacked with missiles, which had been threatening since Israel killed the leader of Hamas on his soil, who was a guest at the funeral of his previous president. Israel has already said that it will respond to Iran. A war with Iran could disturb global commerce, I don't think Israel can get a green light on this, like on maybe Lebanon, and certainly on Gaza and the West Bank. Also, although they have hurt Hezbollah badly, it's far from being defeated in any meaningful way, meaning its capabilities are intact. Like a hydra, when you cut a head, another emerges.

If I was a Zionist, I would be concerned, and not only in the short term.

[Heaven]

These recent moves by Iran attacking Israel directly, is a clear sign of the weakness of the US government. Biden threaten Iran more than once but never acts.
I know that most here are against Trump but Kamala seems even weaker than Biden.

I truly believe that Russia/Ukraine  and Israel/Middle East wars wouldn’t have happen if the right wing were in charge of the US.

Sad times..

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

If I was a Zionist, I would be concerned, and not only in the short term.

If you were a Zionist you'd be happy and self-righteous, patting yourself on the back.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Heaven said:

 

I truly believe that Russia/Ukraine  and Israel/Middle East wars wouldn’t have happen if the right wing were in charge of the US.

Sad times..

Dude right wingers started the Iraq mess etc. which messed the whole Middle East up a lot more even, with lies about weapons of mass destruction etc.

And if you call Biden and Kamala left wing well that’s also comedy.

[Nivsch]

@Hatfort Using force isn't automatically a bad thing. The question is whether you use force as a part of a bigger holistic plan or not, and there is a large scale in between. Most likely the current Israeli system with all the security consultants who play a role right now too, is somewhere in the middle of this scale, what can still provide fruitful outcomes in the long run.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Nivsch

[royce]

24 minutes ago, Heaven said:

if the right wing were in charge of the US.

Sad times..

The conflict in the Middle East started as a result of actions taken by Trump, but some people can't piece the full picture together. 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, royce said:

The conflict in the Middle East started as a result of actions taken by Trump, but some people can't piece the full picture together. 

Blaming Trump for everything is also silly. This conflict has been going on for almost a century.