Israel / Palestine News Thread

[royce]

4 minutes ago, hundreth said:

they signed up for

Yes,  this what they signed up for 

[Zega]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's insane that Dugin at the same time calls Israeli action a genocide and then uses that as his example of how Russia ought to be.

Dugin's argument: If you gonna genocide, do it quickly and decisively. Haha. But the reason that can't work is because the US is backing both Ukraine and Israel.

Dugin is such a clownish figure.

So Blitzkrieg basically 

[Minini]

33 minutes ago, integration journey said:

Is it appropriate to kill thousands of Syrians and destroy so many Syrian cities and make people displaced from their homeland? No, then it’s a good thing that he died. I just wish Syrians killed him and not the Israelis 

I am not saying hezbullah are good guys. I am saying it doesn't feel right to celebrate this while turning a blind eye to the hundreds or thousands of Lebanese civilians that were also killed to achieve this ~ just like the Syrians. Two wrongs don't make a right. 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Minini

[Raze]

https://x.com/_ZachFoster/status/1840011456680427990
 

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For decades, Israel has preferred tactical wins over strategy or vision. The short term victories have come at the cost of more dead Israelis over time. Israel is a frog boiling itself. That’s why the country has gotten increasingly unsafe over the past 3-4 decades. It’s not a straight line but the trend is unmistakable. More Israelis were killed during the First Intifada (1987-1993) in maintaining Israel’s domination over the Palestinians than in the preceding 20 years of military occupation. More Israelis were killed in the 90s than during the First Intifada. More Israelis were killed in Second Intifada (2000-2005) than during the 90s. More Israelis were killed on Oct 7th than during the entire second intifada. More Israelis have been killed or wounded since Oct. 7th than on Oct. 7th, with estimates of tens of thousands of maimed and traumatized Israelis returning from genocide operations in Gaza and the North. As Israelis celebrate the mass murder of hundreds of Lebanese civilians, as well as Nasrallah, how many more Israelis will be sent off to die in the name of Zionism? Will the next phase of the war to preserve Jewish domination in Palestine and Israel result in hundreds of thousands of casualties? Peace will come to Israel once Israeli Jews choose equality with Palestinians over Jewish supremacy.

https://x.com/martyrmade/status/1716188598381490222
 

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Something has changed. Israel’s assault on Gaza in 2014 was the most destructive in the history of the conflict, but the IDF was able to operate w/near impunity. At one point, Israeli missiles took out a bunch of kids playing on a beach, right in front of a hotel housing many foreign journalists. Starting in 2018, Israeli snipers started shooting non-violent protesters approaching the Gaza border. They shot nearly 10,000 people without taking a single casualty themselves. There is a video of Israeli soldiers laughing and cheering as they shoot unarmed people. They shot and killed a disabled man in a wheelchair. This isn’t underground news; it was all known at the time. Despite all this, Israel and their overseas boosters never lost control the narrative for even a moment. Most people don’t even know the things I mentioned even happened. But this time around, things have clearly changed. Despite Hamas carrying out their largest and most gruesome terrorist attack ever, Israel has been unable to control the narrative almost from day one. They started taking criticism before they even began to retaliate, while the bodies of Israeli civilians were still warm, and pressure on Israel has only increased since. What has changed?

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Zega said:

So Blitzkrieg basically 

Putin tried it and it didn't work.

The Russian military is too corrupt and incompetent.

[Raze]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin tried it and it didn't work.

The Russian military is too corrupt and incompetent.

That was mostly because his invading forces was small and Ukraine’s military had a lot of build up. Now his plan is to just slowly wear them down. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

That was mostly because his invading forces was small and Ukraine’s military had a lot of build up. Now his plan is to just slowly wear them down. 

It is an interesting question, why didn't Putin use 5x more troops? Did he expect it would be so easy?

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is an interesting question, why didn't Putin use 5x more troops? Did he expect it would be so easy?

Maybe he just wanted to intimidate them into diplomacy but it blew up in his face 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Maybe he just wanted to intimidate them into diplomacy but it blew up in his face 

No. His plan was to execute Zelensky and capture Kiev.

[Raze]

A analysis from some US critics with experience in the US military and CIA

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Raze

[Lyubov]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is an interesting question, why didn't Putin use 5x more troops? Did he expect it would be so easy?

Bro was listening to his advisors, corruption is such that where truth is not valued so everyone up and down the chain of command lies. He basically fell for his own propaganda how Russia could steamroll Ukraine in a day. Ukraine intelligence was so confused before the invasion, it’s on record. The initial invasion confused Ukraine cause the country is so big and Russia didn’t build up sufficient amount of troops. 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Lyubov

[royce]

2 minutes ago, Ayham said:

killing Nasarallah will only create 50 more Nasrallahs

and keep in mind this is not a bad thing 

[integration journey]

5 minutes ago, Ayham said:

@Leo Gura

After careful reflection, I was able to conclude that you were right, organizations such as Hezboallah don't work in the way where you can just attack the leader and scatter the rest, but rather, they have very strong motivations that are at the core of their identity, killing Nasarallah will only create 50 more Nasrallahs.

Fuck how did I miss this.

How would it create 50 more Nasrallahs? Did killing hitler create 50 more hitlers? Nasarallah was a war criminal that is hated by most Syrians and Lebanese and he needed to go because of his crimes in Syria and his constant lying of being part of the “resistance” even though he was an Iranian puppet 

[royce]

@Ayham  This is the inevitable result of global terrorism. When those in control act like terrorists, ,the presence of Hassan Nasrallah becomes meaningful.

Edited September 28, 2024 by royce

[royce]

@Ayham why ?

[integration journey]

Netanyahu vowed to end Hezbollah and Hamas. Hezbollah will definitely not be the same anymore. I hope Lebanon can recover from the hijacking of Hezbolah after this. Lebanon used to be such a beautiful and open country in the 90s 

[Vercingetorix]

5 hours ago, zazen said:

This is Israel’s response to the West literally calling for a 21 day ceasefire proposal to de-escalate and off the back of receiving another 8 billion USD from the US. Almost a year on from October 7th and the West has completely facilitated Israel to where it is now - which doesn’t seem any safer.

They mistake their “enemy” to be a snake they can strike in one blow, when it’s a hydra. As if decapitating hydras has ever been effective strategy - it only represents a tactical win that gives a false sense of hope.

are you just copying fake news here? nowhere in the paper attached it is stated anything similar to  "The era of conflict with Hezbollah has ended"

Edited September 29, 2024 by Vercingetorix

[royce]

1 hour ago, Ayham said:

Which side are you on?

In this conflict, I stand with the Palestinians, their resistance, and all those who support them.

 

1 hour ago, Ayham said:

how would you define terrorism?

Terrorism, in my opinion, is the cultivation of fear; making people afraid to think or act due to fear of consequences. It is not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but when it is used in a way mixed with injustice, it becomes something very vile and should provoke you. There must be a reaction. If there are no reactions to this injustice, it is an indication that these people have died 

 

The clearest example of terrorism today is Israel's actions in the region. They aim to label Hamas as a terrorist organization, okey i  will agree with the Zionist narrative for once

But why you  collectively punishing 2 million people, ??  their intention is to spread fear and deter any future similar actions, betting that such acts will not be repeated.

 

This will happen again, and next time, it won’t be 10,000 entering Israel but a million.

and What happened with Hezbollah was a setback, but they will learn from their mistakes. Issues with communication and security breaches will be resolved. It will be a prolonged conflict. These people began their resistance with stones; now that they have missiles and drones, how can you expect them to stop?

Edited September 29, 2024 by royce

[Vercingetorix]

All of you who claim Hezbollah is A Hydra, killing Nasrallah will only breed X more Terrorists and such. All of you who claim you should be nice to Hamas and Hezbollah, treat them with respect, otherwise you will only breed more hate - you are what we call in Israel - living in October's 6 Conception. You are naive, projecting your Green stage biases and not understanding the Rules of the middle East. In the middle east only Power is respected. in the middle east no one values human lives. In the middle it's a survivor's game and their is no fair play, only Killing your enemy. Watch Spiral Dynamics Red stage episode to understand better...

Anytime Israel is giving away land, anytime it seeks peace, anytime Israel is showing that it cares about human lives (like the Prisoner exchange deal of Gilad Shalit where thousands of terrorists were released for one soldier) it is seen as a weakness. 

After October 7th, Israel woke up from the old conception that It's possible to "make peace" through such means and rightfully so IMO started to play by the Only Rules that the middle east and Red stage understand: POWER. and by the away, how have Israel managed to make peace with Egypt and Jordan? only after defeating and overpowering them. In such a Place, as sad as it is, the only way to achieve peace is through Overpowering and destroying your opponents.

[Heaven]

1 hour ago, Ayham said:

@integration journey hitler is very different, here you have a number of groups, in lebanon, syria, iraq, iran, yemen, and so on, all with the same fundamentalist religious extremist beliefs, their belief is so strong that they won't give it up no matter what, it is literally their whole identity, when you kill their leader, many people will pop to avenge, to continue the legacy of their very dearly held leaders, to fight against the "evil enemy".

That's basically their primary motivation, because there is no way in hell they can let go of their identities or just scatter, that's quite literally ego death for them.

That's what makes those groups pop up again and again, you can't extinguish them, the more you extinguish, the more there will be people trying to continue on what the others did.

and in this case, when they align their political and terrorist agendas with a dogmatic belief in religion, it is much more dangerous because it is quite literally the absolute truth in life for them.

it goes on much deeper, it is disastrous recipe. 

IDF isn’t trying to explain terrorists why it’s bad. It terminates their enemies. In Dubai there is almost zero % crime rate, the reason for it is enforcement and fear.

After October 7th countries around Israel saw weakness and attacked, now Iran is fearful and doesn’t get involve. 
Fear is a great tool that always work when dealing with the masses.