Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Porphyry Fedotov]

13 hours ago, hundreth said:

Israel is not Nazi Germany, not even close. This is what we're talking about. The history, context and circumstances of what is happening are all completely different. There is no moral equivalence. It's a disingenuous comparison. 

Bro. I'm not saying that Israel is the literal Third Reich. However, they share a lot in common. Israel has been more then a decade under the rule of ultranationalist leadership and it has shaped its internal and domestic affairs. And consequently, it's committing a genocide for all the world to witness.
Speaking in terms of spiral dynamics, they're both deeply blue. Take polls, for example, they show that most Israelis are in support of the displacement of Gazans
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

[Porphyry Fedotov]

4 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Your logic is utterly twisted and wrong.

Without IDF, 10M Israelis and Jews would be killed, whereas without Nazis, 17-20M people would be alive.

We need to address the root of this evil. Without Zionist ideology, there wouldn't be a conflict to speak of. Citizens of Poland, Germany, USSR etc who came to colonise Palestine and their descendants would've peacefully lived in their shtetls without colonising a distant foreign land and doing the Nakba

[Wilhelm44]

27 minutes ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

We need to address the root of this evil. Without Zionist ideology, there wouldn't be a conflict to speak of. Citizens of Poland, Germany, USSR etc who came to colonise Palestine and their descendants would've peacefully lived in their shtetls without colonising a distant foreign land and doing the Nakba

Blaming just one side is never really the truth though. Different religious cultures being overly attached to the same piece of land was never going to be a recipe for peace. You can always keep going further back in the past to a time when the Jews were actually living there etc etc.

Edited July 10, 2025 by Wilhelm44

[hundreth]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not so much killed as kicked out of Palestine.

You make it sounds like Arabs just wanna kill Jews. Nope. They just want their farmland back.

This is not a conflict against Jews, it is conflict over land that Jews decided to grab for themselves.

They would be killed because those Jews aren't leaving Lol. 
The Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home and religion in response to a world war that murdered millions of them. They aren't going to let it go, so what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant.

[zazen]

2 hours ago, hundreth said:

They would be killed because those Jews aren't leaving Lol. 
The Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home and religion in response to a world war that murdered millions of them. They aren't going to let it go, so what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant.

In your own words ''the Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home'' but then ''what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant'' - its totally relevant when Zionists want to make their case like you just did though. And according to the same logic, Palestinians ''aren't going to let it go'' either, which is why both need to learn to co-exist somehow cos both ain't fuckin leavin lol

 

Edited July 10, 2025 by zazen

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Not Arabs (and not Jews per se) but hamas,

Yes but then Netanyahu admits that they have facilitated Hamas's financing, then the conclusion is clearly that Hamas benefits Israel because its goal is not peace but the expulsion of the Palestinians. No one doubts this anymore.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, hundreth said:

The Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home and religion in response to a world war that murdered millions of them. They aren't going to let it go, so what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant.

Not only Jews were murdered by the Nazis, but also Gypsies, homosexuals, communists, and many other people.

Jews live more peacefully and without problems in any country except Israel. If I were Jewish, I would live in Europe, the US, South America, even Africa, without worrying about anyone blowing themselves up next to me. It's all a sentimental issue; it's really religious. It's absurd.

Edited July 10, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Sincere question, but Jordan and Egypt had occupied and even annexed the Gaza Strip and West Bank for about 19 years. Why didn't they make a Palestinian state then?

[Leo Gura]

13 hours ago, hundreth said:

They would be killed because those Jews aren't leaving Lol.

Yes, that's true. But they chose to die on that hill.

If someone grabs land and then gets killed for defending the stolen land, that's not genocide. That's karma 101. But Zionists want to frame it as genocide.

Conflict over stolen property is not genocide.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

15 hours ago, hundreth said:

They would be killed because those Jews aren't leaving Lol. 

Again, this isn't true. Maybe a quarter million to a half million Jews left Israel since October 7th and got passports to other countries. Israel doesn't want the real number revealed because they want the Jews that haven't left yet to still have faith in the colony project even though staying puts them at risk. These Jews left after a very small attack where 1200 Jews died most of them adults. They also left after 50 or so Jews died when Iran was sending missiles for two weeks

After 2 years of Palestinians dying in the worst way, their entire homes exploding, losing multi generational family members, losing children and babies, starving, having no security or superpower to back them up. They still are not leaving

To pretend that Jews are the same as Palestinians in their determination to stay on the land is setting them up for failure. It's a suicide mission to hype them up with false motivation and send them to slaughter. The issue is obvious. You don't know what it means to be indigenous. Lying about religion, ancestral homelands, and fear of European prosecution to steal is not enough to be rooted in land. Only actually being from that land is enough. Which is why one side runs and the other stays

Let me guess what you will say next "No, even if the USA stopped defending us we would still stay and fight". Even though you have no facts to back up that statement 

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The Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home and religion in response to a world war that murdered millions of them.

People die in war all the time. Doesn't mean you can pass that trauma onto another group. If everyone in the world was like the Jews then the Palestinians would have done the same to another country, and that other country would have done the same to another country, and so on. Nobody wants to live in a world like that

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They aren't going to let it go, so what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant.

No, what happened before is completely irrelevant to YOU. Because you think very selfishly and with comedic amounts of bias. Facts matter. Palestinians have paperwork of everything they lost, they remember what villages they are from, they have keys to their homes, have a clear understanding at how the zionist state was formed and who were the accomplices, and have organized lists of all the deceptions and crimes that have been committed against them over 80 years. You guys stole an entire country with trillions of dollars of wealth inside it, kicked out all of the people and forced them to be refugees, then smeared their names to the point where they are considered brutal terrorists, then destabilized their entire region so even the places they got kicked into sucked, and either caged them into or built settlements on the little bit of land they had left. They have been incredibly patient and willing to go the extra mile with Israel 

Edited July 11, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Raze]

https://x.com/dropsitenews/status/1943544168292245876?s=46
 

Israel was just caught completely lying about a IDF soldier who was killed.

They claimed Hamas emerged from a tunnel and tried to kidnap him but killed him when he fought back.

Hamas posted a video of what happened and it clearly showed them not emerging form tunnels, and he immediately runs away without fighting and they kill him.

Also, someone who served with him admits he was there to destroy civilian buildings to try and make it unlivable for the population.

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1943472736753303854?s=46

[Raze]

[zazen]

*Oopsie*

Edited July 11, 2025 by zazen
Falsely sourced image

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that's true. But they chose to die on that hill.

If someone grabs land and then gets killed for defending the stolen land, that's not genocide. That's karma 101. But Zionists want to frame it as genocide.

Conflict over stolen property is not genocide.

hamas is uprising against any settling of Jews in the land from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem that shows any clue of creating a Jewish hegemony in any kind.

We didn't need any Nakba to come to the situation in March 1948 when Jews were almost wiped out completely from this land.

Yes the emotions of Arabs even then were complicated and included fear of stealing their land, a beginning of mass purchasing of lands by the Jews, but also religious and highly ideological ones.

If Ben Gvir and Smotrich want to grab all the land without Palestinians stole their land before, then why won't the extreme parts of Palestinians want that too, purely out of ideology and not because of past Nakba? Just Ben Gvir mentality but in the opposite direction.

Also when Iran and Hezbollah want to wipe out Israelis from the land, is it karma or a genocide?

Edited July 11, 2025 by Nivsch

[Raze]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

Potential mayor of New York - where the largest population of Jews outside of Israel
What timeline do we live in bruh

That’s not his account, that’s someone else with the same name 

[zazen]

44 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s not his account, that’s someone else with the same name 

Whoops, rookie mistake from me. Removed the comment.

[hundreth]

22 hours ago, zazen said:

In your own words ''the Jews grabbed land connected to their ancestral home'' but then ''what happened before Israel is completely irrelevant'' - its totally relevant when Zionists want to make their case like you just did though. And according to the same logic, Palestinians ''aren't going to let it go'' either, which is why both need to learn to co-exist somehow cos both ain't fuckin leavin lol

 

I agree with you. I personally don't like going in circles over history. I think it is a waste of time. I'm always focused on what is the best path forward today. They do need to learn to co-exist. 

[Twentyfirst]

Co existence isn't required on the Palestinian side. It's their land. They can do what they want without need for explanation or permission from the world stage

What an entitled thing to say. "We invaded your lands with violence and force and now you have to make the choice under duress to let us stay or else you are the problem"

Abuser mentality much?

Edited July 11, 2025 by Twentyfirst

[Nivsch]

(Head of Israeli opposition, translated)

[Raze]