Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, Raze said:

And that’s their problem, pay attention to what you are involved with, you have been holding water for Israel’s massacre of 19,000 children and your government is arming them, sit with that before you judge others.

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, then as the massacre in Gaza is evil, it's ok widespread forced marriages and "honor" killings, and in short the absolute oppression of women. Strange logic, but if for you it works, good.

Interesting, you made up something I didn’t say to avoid responding to the point I made. You have done this before. I conclude you know I’m right but are both too prideful to admit it, but also lack the self awareness to know weird red herrings just make you look unintelligent. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Interesting, you made up something I didn’t say to avoid responding to the point I made. You have done this before. I conclude you know I’m right but are both too prideful to admit it, but also lack the self awareness to know weird red herrings just make you look unintelligent. 

I don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about honor killings. It has no relationship with gaza, then I don't know why you said that. Regarding Gaza, I had some doubts before and thought the Israelis had the right to defend themselves, but now it seems obvious that they're criminal genocidaires and that Europe should take a firm stand against them. They're a shame to Western civilization, and I think that most of European governments are going to move in that direction. It wasn't clear at first, but it's becoming clearer.

[zazen]

[Nivsch]

[Raze]

[zazen]

On 7/25/2025 at 3:25 PM, Breakingthewall said:

I think you're exaggerating. All countries that have had power have been extremely evil. We'll see what happens when the Chinese take the lead. For now, they say they're absolutely pacifist, but in the Sudan war, much more terrible than the one in Gaza, they sell weapons to both sides, greatly increasing the suffering of civilians for economic gain. Does this sound familiar?

I was exaggerating to vent how angered the world is at the situation. The reason Gaza hits harder than Sudan is first because the West has a stake in it which means a leverage to stop it or continue it, and second because whilst its bad to sell weapons to war zones for capital gain, its evil to diplomatically and morally shield and justify such death and destruction. It's not simply arming the conflict but systematically enabling and holding up the conditions of that conflict - at every level. There's a distinction between good, bad and evil.

Sudan's suffering is seen as a tragedy of war and collapse, Gaza's is seen as horrific and engineered whilst being ideologically excused and justified as a war for ''Western civilization and liberal democracy''. Sudan's hunger is a emergent byproduct, Gaza's hunger is a engineered condition - to pressure Palestinians into ''voluntarily'' cleansing themselves.

 

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen

I'm not comparing the US to China when it comes to profiting from war, since the US not only sells weapons but also provokes wars, and China hasn't provoked any yet. However, its position in Sudan is murki. Getting rich off a war by selling weapons to both sides shows you don't have too many scruples. So what else can you do for money? We'll see.

[Raze]

[Nivsch]

A bit longer post today, from a high quality source - the independent Israeli journalist Orly Barlev - to show the crisis from a higher resolution if you want to go deeper. Her post:

" Urgent Appeal to Business Leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut 🚨

(The Israeli equivalent to the president of American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations in the US)

Four months ago, you threatened that if the government did not comply with the Supreme Court's ruling regarding the dismissal of the head of the Shin Bet, you would go on strike and fight back.

"If the Israeli government does not respect the order and leads Israel into a constitutional crisis, we will call on the entire public to stop respecting government decisions and bring the Israeli economy to a halt," you declared in the Business Forum's statement.

You directly addressed Netanyahu: "Stop the internal collapse of the country you are leading."

Chair of the Histadrut, Arnon Bar-David, you announced:
"We are on the verge of anarchy under the government's watch, and I will not stand by and watch the destruction of Israeli society... Disregarding a court ruling is a final red line that must not be crossed, and I do not intend to remain silent as the State of Israel is dismantled."

That was in March of this year.
And what has happened since?

Meanwhile, Netanyahu continues to dismantle the country – only step by step, salami-style – and you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, are paralyzed and silent.

Meanwhile – Hostages and soldiers are being sacrificed because Netanyahu refuses to end a purposeless war to maintain his power and evade justice.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu managed to pressure Ronen Bar into resigning, and the Shin Bet – weaker than ever – may receive an unfit, submissive chief beholden to Netanyahu.

Meanwhile – thugs have been sent to Supreme Court hearings to create orchestrated disruptions and intimidate the judges.

Meanwhile – an illegal and undemocratic campaign to remove the Attorney General is underway and will be accelerated in the coming days.

Meanwhile – a single on-call judge in the Supreme Court (Solberg) did not immediately halt this corrupt process and instead gave the government a rope to continue.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu is pursuing a catastrophic policy in Gaza that has created a humanitarian disaster and is destroying Israel’s global standing.

Meanwhile – Israel is becoming a pariah, facing international boycotts of its academia and businesses.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu is advancing, salami-style, the occupation of Gaza, military rule, a “humanitarian city” (a ghetto or worse), and mass deportations (“voluntary” after creating unlivable conditions in the Strip).

Meanwhile – Netanyahu prolongs the war even though soldiers are exhausted, broken, falling, and committing suicide.

Meanwhile – Netanyahu continues pushing a draft-dodging law that will dismantle the state.

Meanwhile – the police is disintegrating, not stopping lawbreakers aligned with the government, while arresting anti-government protesters, conducting strip searches, and suppressing dissent.

Meanwhile – there is no enforcement against increasing violence by settler extremists in the West Bank.

Meanwhile – the cost of living is soaring, poverty is expanding, brain drain and emigration are accelerating, and education is collapsing.

Shall we continue?

At what point will you, business leaders and the Chair of the Histadrut, realize that the red line was crossed long ago, that you fell asleep at the wheel, and the horses are already galloping out of the barn?

When do you intend to shut down the economy – after there's nothing left of Israel?

After Netanyahu destroys the Supreme Court from within through a campaign of incitement against Chief Justice Amit?
After Netanyahu slyly installs a loyal, dangerous Shin Bet head?

After the Attorney General is dismissed or weakened, with no gatekeepers left?
After more hostages and soldiers are sacrificed for Netanyahu’s grip on power?
After the army collapses under the weight of an endless war?

After there are no longer enough productive forces and minds in the country to sustain the Israeli economy?
After enlightened nations sever ties with Israel?

When??

If you're waiting for a “clear moment” of line-crossing – sorry to inform you, that moment is long gone.

It passed through countless small steps, a multi-front assault on the public under heavy bombardment, in salami slices that you swallowed one by one. But the clear moment? Long gone.

We’ve long passed numerous red lines.
We are already at the black line.

Don’t wait for hundreds of thousands in the streets to give you the mood and momentum to act.
The people have been protesting to the best of their ability for years, week after week.

They are in ongoing trauma – shocked and broken.

This is on you too.

There is still a narrow window of opportunity to act, before we completely fall apart.
Stop sitting on the fence, stop staying silent, stop being helpless.

You have the power to stop the madness and the rapid decline.
Shut down the economy immediately until:

1. A deal is immediately brought to return all the hostages and end the war.

2. Immediate elections are declared – halting all judicial coup efforts, including halting senior appointments by the destructive government.

Business leaders and Chair of the Histadrut,
Israel is rushing toward the abyss.
The people are falling apart.
You have the power to save Israel.
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And to the exhausted citizens:
Please share. Facebook is limiting exposure.
Give power to these words – let them become actions. "

Edited 3 hours ago by Nivsch