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Leo is hyping this alien consciousness to the max. This alien consciousness better be giving me the ability to actualize a bunny out of my ass or I'm going to be disappointed if it is a non actualizing ability. That is the least I expect if he claims this consciousness has 100 x the intelligence of human intelligence.

Perfectly nonsensical like your alien consciousness ? They go into the bubble and go to sleep and wake up. So probably the bubble is a paradigm of psychedelic consciousness of some sort. It is just that the end didn’t make any sense.

That is not at all what I mean by Alien Consciousness. Be careful with those books. They are not much more than beliefs and stories. If you cannot validate it in your direct experience, you cannot consider it true. It is extremely easy to fall into self-deception with those books. Just because something sounds nice or profound does not make it true and it is not in the same realm as Awakening.

This thread is imaginary, AWAKE is imaginary, alien consciousness is imaginary, 'god' is imaginary, making grand statements are imaginary, me reminding you of all this is imaginary...carry on.

I think the main goal was to show a life form truly alien to our race. Being which operates totally beyond human comprehension and categories. You could probably come up with many theories regarding what exactly happened at the end, but I believe it's secondary to the whole picture. That being said, I also was confused when watching it for the first time.

Personally I don’t think this alien consciousness is going to be a big deal because if I’m wrong it will be an earth shaking revelation on planet earth. Imagine humans being 100x smarter at the price of a pop that Leo will charge for his seminar? Personally I had access to states where I was 10x smarter so I know that it exist but if Leo can access Alien Consciousness he would already be the new Einstein or Elon Musk creating shit instead of typing messages with fellow monkeys on a forum. Also I watched Leo’s last two videos. And although they are top shelf they aren’t cutting edge and I don’t see this 100x alien intelligence back in his speech and his output. In fact I see Leo just being human as the rest of us.

Defining Enlightenment/Consciousness is really difficult. Imagine defining what is "Alien Consciousness". It's like trying to explain what is a computer to a bird.

@Leo Gura does this new alien consciousness awakening negate any of your previous material?

Words again, but direct realization is beyond understanding. Your mind is incapable of making any sense of it. When I say there are levels of enlightenment, I am referring to the brightness of the light, not to its nature. The absolute intensifies or diminishes its light, but it is always light. Whatever is illuminated by the absolute is its creation. In the absence of the light, whether human, elephant, or alien, it is nothing. Call it maya, imagination, or the cosmos, none of it is absolutely real. Ask whether your journey is focused on exploring the jungle of creation, or on intensifying the absolute within. The more transparent your form, the greater the light that will shine through you.

No I had only positive emotions and I completely understand this episode as Leo did an amazing job explaining it. This Alien consciousness thing has me confused however because I can't tell if Leo is talking in the relative self or absolute. Adyashanti used to do the same thing and talk in riddles, so bad that I had to stop reading his infuriating text. Clarity in writing would be greatly appreciated in the future (Leo!)

I consider myself awake and God realized. I have a ways to go, and I'm excited about exploring consciousness more. As far as the Alien Consciousness thing, I'll tune in again when there's more clarity. I'm getting a little put out with this I Am The Master horseshit. I AM YOU, Leo, so of course I'm awake.

Leo: a little clarity on alien consciousness. Do you mean alien, as in God consciousness is alien to the human egoic consciousness or alien consciousness being separate from my God Realization...i.e., another God? It's like you're intentionally misleading us with questionable terms.

@Leo Gura Now I remember a conversation I had once with one of your previous mods after your 30-day retreat. They had experience with psychedelics and specifically 5-MeO. So I asked them about their opinion on your state at that time, because you seemed unwell. They basically told me that they experienced alien stuff too, like stuff out of this human realm completely, and that ungrounded them for some time, so they thought you were going through a similar thing. Anyway, and since I have no experience with drugs, I'll just assume that the overall awakenings of 5-MeO seem to be related to two main categories: Solipsism/God consciousness. Alien consciousness. Is there more to 5-MeO than these two awakenings?

@Leo Gura obviously the person who commented that they would wait for the course has the right idea. And I am getting more curious the more I read this thread. Asking questions is probably fruitless, but here it goes anyways lol. regarding god realization and enlightenment, I can definitely conceptualize this thanks to following your work. My major issue has been with the “being” part of the equation. I have definitely been in a god realized state (even after the trip wore off) but it always slips from my grasp. 1. You have stated that alien consciousness is of far greater magnitude than any other type of awakening. How do you go about ranking your awakenings? Whenever I have ranked my own it usually just came down to which experience gave more clarity. It’s been less of it being different and more of it being a new perspective that gives a clearer picture, but is still ultimately rooted in the same thing. 2. Why would you use the term alien? This makes it sound as if this is something outside of yourself and outside of a typical god realization. When I read your initial post, I assumed that you were trying to point to non duality in the most brazen and obnoxious way possible that would inevitably create chaos in the responses. Maybe your play was that out of the chaos someone would figure it out. You keep speaking in a fashion that I have interpreted as God is speaking through you and that what you are saying is the word of god. My interpretation (which is probably wrong) has been the that I am all there is. I am Leo Gura and every other person on this forum and in the universe. So in that sense I could speak on behalf god since I am god. The difference between you and me being that you are in a permanent state of being awake while I am still dreaming most of the time. I should reiterate again, that I can conceptualize this, but have not actualized this. Are you suggesting there is an “other” that we can tap into? Or is separation still an illusion? Also I am not trying to reduce reality down to anything and really just trying to wrap my head around what could be beyond infinity as that seems to be what you are alluding to. 3. Finally, with this new level you have discovered, what actually changes besides just gaining more clarity/understanding?When I was first exposed to non duality I thought that was the end all. Then I discovered solipsism. The outcome of both is basically the same in my opinion. Either I am one with everything or I am all there is. Both are essentially saying the same thing. I think solipsism leaves less room for the ego to hijack it/ romanticize it, but it really is just word play. I hope I don’t come across as arrogant or a fucking moron in this post ( I am a bit sleepy so cut me some slack lol). I really appreciate all the work you have done though. I’ve been watching your stuff since like 2014. You have had a greater impact than anyone else has ever had on my life.

I am going to leave some deep thought questions and considerations about the topic of Alien Consciousness and this thread, @Leo Gura feel free to answer or use the following as material for your future course. If there is only Consciousness, why call it "Alien"? The concept of "Alien" is based on the difference between self and other, but as you very well know all is Self. You have to explain in detail what you mean by "Awakening" because your definition is constantly changing and is confusing people. If you take "Awakening" to mean dissolution into formless consciousness, you aren't Awake either, because you are here reading this post. Give us a clear and concise definition of what you mean by the term "Awakening". Your bar for "Awakening" is getting insanely high. In my vocabulary, awakening means the direct and constant realization that I Am the medium which creates any possible kind of reality: Consciousness. Everything is Me, everything is myself, everything is my Mind. When you say "Nobody on this forum is awake", you are undervaluing your own work and your own impact. There are people on this forum who have been as far as you went and I am one of them (leaving outside this Alien Consciousness business). It seems that you are falling in the trap of believing that there is someone to save from unconsciousness. Each one of us is choosing to dream the dream of being a human, and again, you know that. There is no-one to save and, in the absolute sense, your work is completely useless because you are teaching to yourself. In the absolute sense, the role of "spiritual teacher" is completely useless. From my POV I am the only one that can awaken and from your POV you are the only one, why constantly affirming that "nobody is awake"? Of course nobody is awake but you from your POV, because you are everyone. You have to accept that the majority of people will never go as far as you went and that other classic teachers are offering a valuable service to "normal people". Can you clarify why one week you state that you and Peter Ralston are the only ones awake and the next week you change your mind? What makes you consider Ralston awake, if you consider him so? Have you been talking with him?

Selling Water by the River, todays water batch: Difference between Awakening and Enlightenment: Enlightenment: You had to cut/transcend every subtle separate sense feelings/thought (very subtle ones, very hard to spot). Then you are fully empty, which is your True Condition. Then, all separate self arisings arise in you, and move in you, but you are not only them. They move in you like the wind. The wind is also you, but you are not only the wind. They are fully transcended. Why is that necessary to fully understand Absolute Reality, or what You are? What you are can be fully empty. Like, nothing at all. Total Nothingness. When no arising is there, Absolute Reality/You is unaware of itself. But with the potential for sentience if something appears (for example, check Hawal and Massaro books). You are still there when all arisings disappear (Nirvikalpha, Deep Sleep, your face before your parents were born). And if you want to understand what You are while forms still arising (like, in normal life), there can not be a subtle separate self/anything cutting the one infinite Unity of the Real You/Reality into a felt subject (Awareness) watching Infinity, even if it feels nondual or infinite. It has to become perceptions perceiving themself, no separate self anywhere to be found. You can not have separate Awareness separated from the field. The infinite field watches itself, literally does. And your body-mind moves in the Totality that you are. The thoughts and feelings of the former separate you are moving in in the True You like the wind. The bliss/love you generate in that state without needing anything external gives you autonomy from chasing externally generated bliss via experiences. It gives you total absolute freedom and love (Bassui below: You will be entirely free) If you understand that for your perspective, you understand that this holds for the structure of all perspectives/beings, for the whole Absolute Reality. Why? Because all perspectives are only form arising in the Absolute, any boundary from one perspective/being to another is either forgetting or form arising in Awareness, seeing itself. The advantage if do that sobre: You need a high developed state of nonduality/nonlocality/centerlessness/mere appearance of the visual bubble. You get that via meditation done correctly. Which doesn't need to be unpleasant or hard (although it normally takes quite a while), at least if done correctly, see for example Pointing out the Great Way, Daniel Brown. If you feel centered in your head, and the outside world appears as solid, you can not understand the Nature of Reality, impossible. So this state is necessary for Enlightenment. But not sufficient. From that stage (Yoga of One Taste) for example, you can continue to dissolve the last remnants of the separate self (for example, Nonmeditation Yoga). And then you can have Insight into what you are. You will not miss that, its definitive. Also, and most important, you got a built in safety check/quality control: You will not cross over to full Enlightenment without fully transcending any and all separate self arising coming up (and the visual field being Nonduality, centerless and infinite). You can't fool yourself here. And you will understand when you are there. Why it is absolute. Awakening: The energetic state of Nonduality/Unity/Infinity with some remnants of separate self still not fully transcended, you can also get by Psychedelics. Which of course is useful in order to have an idea of the goal, a feedback loop to build this nonduality-state via meditation, on and off the pillow. But here, you get the nonduality/mere appearance with subtle remnants of the separate self still intact. You don't have the build in quality/safety mechanism of classic Full Enlightenment. So it is very easy to confuse these experiences for the final Realization of what you are. Everyone having experienced it claims this on the difference between Awakening and Enlightenment, see for example Frank Yang/Ralston/Wilber/Jac O'Keffee/Steven Wolinsky/... (anticipating certain feedback: "they are not awake, but enlightened". Well, with the definitions above I could agree). Enlightenment is in a different ballpark. And you can't imagine it without it fully happening. So it is not some mild form of "God-Realization", or Nothing. It is something of a different category. It is, to quote Ralston, fully understanding what You are and what Reality is. Without any separate self filters, however subtle, still active. So what happens if you value Psychedelic Awakenings or Understandings higher than fully being and realizing what you are? You guessed it: Reality doesn't let you off the hook, you still have psychological suffering. The separate self arisings cut you off from the full flow of love of your True Being for itself. So you need experiences to get this love flowing. For example the love you feel when understanding-experiences of the exquisite beauty of the design of Reality/Dimensions happen. Is anything with exploring Alien-Godminds wrong? For sure not, this understanding is probably among the most beautiful experiences you can have. I just feel it becomes problematic if you value getting the love the unenlightened separate self needs from these experiences, and valueing these understandings of Alien-Godminds higher than classic Enlighenment and fully understanding your True Nature, and resting in it. Why not pursue and value BOTH endevours on an at least equal basis? Not downplaying Enlightenment as somehow not on the same level or lower than any other insight into the appearance or form side of Reality (which is infinite). If what is stated above is correct, with one path one is lead to salvation (Enlightenment), and with the other path (Understanding/Awakenings), well.... best regards from Maya, but you get a medal from her with distinction for playing her game on the highest level possible. For the readers: You will probably not achieve higher level of bliss and love than your teacher using his teachings. And how these levels will develop: Well, we are in the prime seats here to see how it will continue. I don' think I have a high chance of convincing Leo. So that means that the job of convincing to develop via suffering (or hopefully only not being as happy and loving than one could be) stays where it always has been, and ever will be: Maya, CEO of Samsara. All the best, enjoy the ride and the show, and Namaste! Selling Bullshit Water by the River. PS: There is already water by the River, so I am too lazy to carry Bulls**t there. ( : Bassui: “What is it that hears?” Only when you have completely exhausted the questioning will the question burst; now you will feel like someone who has come back from the dead. This is true realization. You will see the Buddhas of all the universes face-to-face and the Dharma Ancestors past and present. ... If you push forward with your last ounce of strength at the very point where the path of your thinking has been blocked, and then, completely stymied, leap with hands high in the air into the tremendous abyss of fire confronting you—into the ever-burning flame of your own primordial nature—all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy. You will be entirely free. For the first time you will realize that walking on water is like walking on ground and walking on ground like walking on water; that all day long there is speaking, yet no word is ever spoken; that throughout the day there is walking, yet no step is ever taken; that while the clouds are rising over the southern mountains their rain is falling over the northern range; that when the lecture gong is struck in China the lecture begins in Korea; that sitting alone in a ten-foot-square room you meet all the Buddhas of the ten quarters; that without seeing a word you read the more than seven thousand volumes of the sutras; that though you acquire all the merits and virtues of good actions, yet in fact there are none.

@Leo Gura Is unawareness also imagined? What about forgetfullness? What makes the need for consistency and coherency so important for general experience? When you fall asleep you generally realize you will wake up in the same body. I've never done any psychedelic's but what if you had an incoherent trip which you couldn't make sense of. Usually when you have a fever dream you become lucid during the dream and realize its inconsistency followed by your awareness of your persona in ordinary life. When you are accessing alien consciousness do you still remember leo during the trip?

It’s amazing how fast some of you guys are assuming you already understand alien intelligence.

@Leo Gura Is there such a thing as "deep sleep" in your psychadellic trips? Whats the difference between void or stillness and manifestation / noise when you are accessing alien conciousness. From what it sounds like, sounds like ordinary human conciousness is like plucking a few strings on a guitar and alien consciousness is like having access to many more and different variations.

If I understand you correctly, that experience of the brilliant design of Reality brings you joy, beauty and love. The Good, True and Beautiful. Love, Understanding and Beauty. These experiences have motivated humanity since the beginning. At least a part of it ( : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentals I can understand you here very well. I feel the same. Yet... if you mainly feel this love when having a beautiful understanding or insight into Reality, or God, Alien-Mind, whatever, then you don't have these experiences that open your heart on a permanent constant basis in everday life. And that is exactly the problem, which makes that approach to a high level Atman-Project. If you need these experience of understanding (the True of the triple Good,True and Beautiful) to get the love that is at the core of your True Being, then its something you don't have all the time. That love would also flow fully when you rest in your True Nature without a separate self blocking the flow of this love. Resting in your True Being in everyday life brings you this. It really does. The source of this love is your True Being, when the flow is not interrupted by any filter, lense of perception, localized center or separate self. After writing something tending a bit on the touchy side, I really hesitate to conclude with Selling water by the River. But it needs to be done, to not loose the humour inherent of this great illusion of ours: Selling water by the river, today including the fragrency of the Transcendetals "Truth, Beauty and Goodness"

Great. But intended for me or not, you are still downplaying what Alien Consciousness could potentially mean.

Sorry, my paragraph you refer to (below) was not intended for you. It was a general statement concerning the goal of maximum exploration/understanding of form/manifestation mechanism: "And my only humble suggestion is: Before you go running exploring that which you can never finish [understanding as much as possible of an infinite reality] in this lifetime: Why not look deeply into the abyss of your own true being (which contains all form, but never is form, getting to the point where there is so much no center that all perceptions see themselves), learn to keep that ongoing in daily life, and be happy and in bliss, and go exploring these Alien-Minds then?" Sorry that this wasn't clear. And great that you are generally very happy!

You’re not saying it’s not worth it. And that’s good. But you are in subtle ways downplaying the value of such an insight. My prediction is that if you actually experienced Alien Consciousness, your fucking head would explode. And you’d never be able to say that such a thing was just a “fascinating show” or just “another form”. It would change your entire life AND your entire understanding of spirituality. Why are you assuming that I haven’t done that already? Or that I’m not happy already? I’m legitimately one of the happiest people I know. My life is amazing. I almost feel guilty at times for how good it is. Yes, seeking comes with a certain amount of “incompleteness”. This is not a mistake. I enjoy seeking. Do not denigrate the seeking impulse. That is a monster trap. The best possible option is actually that our understanding of God and spirituality is continuing to evolve. This is more exciting. This is cutting edge.

@Leo Gura Are you familiar with Andrew Gallimore an his Alien Information Theory? Maybe you could be interest it in looking it. Here is an extract of the technology that Andrew Gallimore and Rick Strassman want to create: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKfgcdtOfVY&t=62s

I think this is the core of the conflict between you and other teachers. To most teachers, living from a place of high consciousness is more important than simply reaching extremely high states. And more important than just understanding is bringing it down to earth to help awaken others and raise the consciousness of humanity. In the future, if humans evolve in the right way, the alien consciousness you talk about could be someone's daily baseline. But we have to get there first.