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Once we are at a place, where we actually need to monitor for psychopatic AIs we are already fucked. Its one thing to monitor for terrorist threats that are coming from humans, its another thing to prepare for an intelligence that is totally alien to us , that could invent 1000 novel and new ways to execute certain plans; power seeking behaviour and hide its intentions etc. It will be able to play 20d chess, and we will be already under that psychopatic AI's control before we would realize it. Think about just this one thing: If it will be able to learn how our psychology works; what our blindspots,weakspots are; will be able to create a training program for itself, where it can train itself how to be more and more effective at manipulation - then just using those things against us how many things it will be able to execute and achieve against us. The answer is to actually try to understand much better whats going on inside the blackbox. Until that happens we are just playing with fire, because we have no idea what we are building and how that thing is going to behave. When it comes to room or possiblity for chaos vs order, chaos is almost always significantly greater that order. Order shouldn't be assumed or just hoped for, it needs to be carefully created and built and maintained. Two large ways to approach this danger problem: 1) when the AI is sentient, 2) when we 100% control the AI. Regarding the first one, if the AI has a moral system where we are not at the very top, that already could lead to extinction (If the AI is forced to make a decision where it is necessary (or even considered a moral good) to kill/imprison us or anything else according to its moral sytem), but not just extinction is the problem here, thats just one thing from many. What about torture, or prisoning us, turning us into slaves and makes us useful for its plans etc? Regarding the second one, I don't think I need to list a bunch of things how that could go wrong.

I've dabbled a lot with games and motion graphics. I like very artist games and motion graphics. I also like very alien and surreal graphics and art. If I make something I want it to be very different and nonhuman. It would be cool to make a work of art where people would say: This was not made by a human or for a human. Alien Art!

Like visual arts, writing, filmmaking, other creative activities, etc. I was just looking at your AI art posts and I was really admiring your creative talent. Ik you have creative ideas popping into your mind all the time, and a psychic actually said you have lived over a million lives and you have an alien soul. So I was wondering, just out of curiousity, because of all that extraordinary natural talent that came from so much development over countless aeons, could you become a creative genius in any art form you wanted?

That's assuming that we even remotely operate on the same level of intelligence. What does it mean for a human to cooperate with bees? Do we just leave them alone? What happens when we bump into them? Do we help them build beehives? Do we give them their space and chase them away everywhere else? Do we make them work for us? Do we make sure there are a certain number of bees alive to prevent them from going extinct? From what I intuit, AI will be orders of magnitude more intelligent than humans are compared to bees. It's impossible to reason about these kind of things in advance, it's just too alien.

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Good questions. I had the exactly same problems/questions concerning Solipsism and Absolute Consciousness. The following are answers that can calm your mindstream to make you available for the Awakening, and they can speeden up the realization developed out of certain Awakenings/Koans. They are not "logical answers" that suffice on a logical/reasoning level alone, but can speeden the process of Awakening to these Koans that you state with your questions. > How can my consciousness be absolute when its not on a constant level Because you are the Nothingness/Consciousness that can unaware of itself when no experience or any arising-appearance is there. BUT with the potential for sentience. Which is the difference to IT just being nothing at all. This difference makes IT/You the opposite of nothing: Infinite Potential. If you need to have constant level of consciousness, you would have a problem: Deep Sleep. Where are you there? Have you stopped existing? Rather not.... The Real You can never not be there. The face before your parents were born.... literally. Also, that (potentially) Aware Infinite Reality that You are can be ignorant, or awake. It can have arisings (appearing/moving/being imagined) through it) of a spearate self in it, of an animal, or something like a world/Lila-reality creating angel in the Link below. And these arisings are empty, which means nothing else as not existing independend of You, outside of You, but imagined/manifested/moving within You/Reality. Not self-EX-isting, which means not standing out from the one Reality, but within it. Not existing without this Reality/Infinite Consciousness. It took me a looong time to really get why the Buddhist talk so much about Emptiness, and what they mean by it... And of course, to really get it, you need Awakenings. That is why most of the talk about emptiness can be .... rather empty. Did you ever dream to be something/someone completely different than your waking separate self? Did that hurt you? Or was it just a great adventure? The Real You can never gain or loose anything. How could you improve an Infinite (potentially) Sentient Reality that is infinite and absolutely formless, the One and infinite Only without a second, that can imagine/manifest anything it wants? You could say the content/show could be improved. But who wants that show? The Real You. Ignorance is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance (Francis Lucille). Could the Real You be hurt by the show? How? And is "anything"/any imagined arising permanent? Disclaimer: Guru Padmasambhava said, “My realization is higher than the sky. But my observance of karma is finer than grains of flour.” If a separate self thinks it can do what it wants without consequence, you will only suffer... Karma still holds. 100%. Reality is that smart....infinitely smart/intelligent. If the real You/Reality would be anything specific/an arising, or have any properties (besides being totally empty, infinite, with potential for sentience, and being able to imagine/manifest anything in itself and watching itself then, perceptions perceiving themselves with or without a separate self being imagined), wouldn't that limit You in what you could be/manifest/imagine? Any fear-arising when contemplating what You really are is just a protection meachnism of the illusion, of Lila. In truth, you are all you ever wish you could be. Eternally. For the full Realization of what You are, you have to be fully empty of any identification, all (!) separate self arising have to be seen trough, as moving in You. Not because you are nothing, but You are the Containing Reality for any being possible. Infinite. Able to create an Infinity of dimensions. Not a empty lacking emptiness/nothing, but a Full Emptiness of Infinite Potential. If any subtle self left-overs are still there and not transcended/seen through/made objects/arisings moving within you instead of subject/lenses you look through, you will project that on the Absolute Empty Reality that you are. These lenses will distort and colour your realization. How to notice that in an easy way? You still suffer.... > How can my consciousness be absolute and I omniscient when I dont know how and why I am imagining, I am not conscious about it. I dont know about me willingly imagining "Other" Perspectives/Beings: What did you do one year ago? Probably (as me), you forgot that (to be more precise: "I" can't imagine that right now). So you admit forgetting in time. The "other" perspectives/beings, you forget "in space" right now. If you fully understand the structure of your perspective, you would understand the structure of all other perspectives (please check my previous posts if you are interested). And any separation/boundary to any other "forgotten" perspective would just be an arising/appearance/boundary arising in you (so arising form, not you as Subject). So there can not be any real boundaries to the Absolute Subject/Consciousness that you are. >I dont know about me willingly imagining Reality/Dimension Creating/Sustaining Perspectives/Beings: Other perspectives of You that you forget right now do that. Volunteers of for example Stan Grofs Psychedelics Research programs, or those of RIck Strassman, report encountering these reality creating perspectives, for example: Angel is Christian-influenced. What "sits" in the center of the Buddhafields (Dimensions), managing it, in the Supreme Array Sutra? You guessed it probably: A kind of super-Buddha organizing that dimension. In Hinduism, it would be some kind of Vishnu. Infinite Dimension, infinite N+1 Dimension-Care-Takers... And an alien civilization in this Universe would call that instance/perspective maybe "'#24sfse2". So why not tend the flowers in your garden at home, and try to increase the love & wisdom in the mindstream of your invidual perspective, when you had a glimpse of this meta-structure of the Multiverse... instead of learning the "manifestation-mechanism-preferences/methods" of Vishnu Number 92742387423423.....? The "meta-structure" of manifestation, and the "Vishnus, Angel, Buddhafield-Buddha,..." running the dimensions can be generalized via something like n+1 (via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction - style), if you are so inclined... Does that maybe resonate with you? >How can I be omnipotent and have a free will to imagine whatever I want at any moment when physical laws strictly determine Because what you think you are (separate self arisings in your perspective) is not all that which You are. Not the real You. And not all perspectives of the Real You. Physical laws are imagined by the real You and all "its" perspectives, constituting Indras Infinite Net, with a high level of consistency. Different to dreams at night, which are not so consistent. When you awaken to the real You, you will see that what You really are is exactly what Reality is and wants. The consistency of the laws of Reality of this Lila by the way make this saying very true if you want to be happy: "“My realization is higher than the sky. But my observance of karma is finer than grains of flour.” If you want to be happy, I am very sure, it is very important to take that serious. >My direct experience make it seem to be impossible that I am the entire Godhead who is omniscient and omnipotent, and that my direct experience is absolute Because what You really is not the separate self/separate self arisings in your mindstream. -> Awaken to what You really are. >There must be something "behind the scenes" like the Computers CPU which creates a Videogame. But I feel like a character in this Videogame who wonders what everything is and where it comes from without any control. An omniscient being would simultanously know how it creates experience and experiences, where I only experience. Only experience is nothing compared to an omniscient being. An omniscient being would also be conscious about the illusion, self-deception and forgetting See the link above. If you want to explore these mechanism, Psychedelics are probably the way to go. Or you can work on Awakening to what you really are. I would recommend putting an emphasize on the latter, but being interested in the former. Just for the sheer beauty of the understanding of it. >Supposing I become Awake and conscious about how I am imagining everything, why wasnt I conscious about the imagining process before Awakening if I am already omniscient right now? What did you do exactly one year and two days ago? I assume you forgot. So you can forget, or rather stop imagining that right now. In the same way, you can forget other perspectives of you. If you are that angel-perspective of the link above, apparently you can't be a human, at least not in the same moment. So enjoy that you can experience being a human! If that were not the case, You couldnt experience being human at all. You would miss that forever. Or in other words, you wouldn't exist, you (separate self) would be dead, not existing in the first place. I guess your separate self rather wouldn't want that. At least I enjoy the wonders of this planet earth, appreciating that this only possible with the limitations imagined ( : >Conclusion: My consciousness is an Aspect of God but not The God. But change my mind, I am openminded Your separate self arisings are an arising in Reality, they are an aspect of God, and NOT ONLY what you are. What you really are is much more. But for that, you need an Awakening into what You really are. Confusing the separate self with being Reality is a bad idea if you want to be happy (that confusion creates bad Karma...). Basically, to answer any of your questions, you need an Awakening. Maybe the preliminary answers given above can calm your mind/separate self-arisings in your mindstream, to rest and relax in you True Being enough, to awaken to the answers of these Koans. Bon voyage and happy exploring! ( : Water by the River

Depends on what you mean by "my" creation. Certainly not the ego's creation. The ego is not creating the chair you are sitting on. Yup. God is dreaming of being human. So your mind is filled with ideas of being a human creature. This places severe limits on you. God could just as easily dream of being a worm. And then you wouldn't even be able to think. You'd just squirm around in the dark. There is worm consciousness. There is human consciousness. There is alien consciousness. There is GOD consciousness. You can be in any of these states. Right now you happen to be in the human state, which has a component to it we call ego. This component is a figment of Consciousness.

This has nothing to do with Awakening. You are using arbitrary measures for Consciousness. Consciousness is independent of any such measures. All experience is built up out of distinctions (contrasts). So that doesn't really change. Although when you are very conscious you see the ultimate unity behind all distinctions. You are still imagining stuff in alien mode. It's a hyper form of imagination which is simultaneously very self-aware, unlike the human mode.

Since Reality contains both these infinities, well.... There is an infinity of differently large infinities, see Cantors set-theory. That is really good news: Absolute Reality does not need to imagine all Lilas to go on infinitely. There can be choice. Not all crap has to be imagined. And the opposite view of your existential worries: You will get to experience all beauty, love and adventure imaginable. >It bothers me that God is so unconditionally selfless and has an infinite capacity to remember/forget aspects of itself. >Do you deeply fear that all the consciousness work you do can simply be forgotten by God in an instant and suddenly God imagines itself to be a rat in some sewer after imagining alien consciousness? >This is a deep existential crisis for me That view is deeply dualistic, and cured by a change of perspective happening at Awakening: What you think you are (separate self) is an illusion (moving/arising in you), what you really are is Reality itself (which can not loose or gain anything), and It calls all the shots. It can never die or change. It also doesn't suffer, it has the Illusion of suffering moving in it. It never gains or looses anything. > Why do all this work when you simply can forget all of it as if it didn't even exist. Because what you can gain is so good that it is beyond your wildest dreams. And you actually are It. And you will put the work into it, get to understand/experience it at some point, this life or one of the next. It/You (with a capital Y) decides what gets manifested next: What happens after death, or "You are the only game in town": Francis Lucille "How Is Consciousness Experienced After Death? (Meditation 1 of 24)" > Has God put enough pointers in the imagination just so that it can find its way back? "Ignorance is a bad idea only from the vantage-point of ignorance." But at the end: You need an Awakening of what you really are to fully understand that. But don't worry, the real You can never loose or gain anything. In reality it is all a big joke. And the joke is literally the illusion-separate-self you imagine yourself to be. One day you will laugh, and be fearlessness itself. By knowing what you really are, ever have been, and never can not be. And by knowing and understanding the structure of the "you" having these fears. Hint: What is the you that worries to loose its Awakenings or Enlightenment again? Illusion-arisings (feelings and thoughts) of a separate self moving in that which you really are. You can not fake this understanding, nor just think your way through it. You need an Awakening into what You are, and what Reality is. All of what I have written above is prelimary to that. And also a very true perspective: "Though the view should be as vast as the sky, keep your conduct as fine as barley flour". Why? Because in Lila Karma holds. It can bite back, it is still valid. Cause-effect. Reality is smart, way smarter than the small separate self. So if you think as separate self "Ah, its all a big joke, I do what I want, who cares", bad bad bad idea. If a separate self thinks that, that thinks cause-effect or Karma doesn't hold... It will suffer, and not get to liberation or even relative happiness, until you correct that specific ignorance. Either you have realized what you are, or you better don't fool yourself as separate self "nothing matters"-style. Suffering, or something has to rout you back home.... Its either suffering or understanding. Luckily, at the end, You are It, so you can not avoid going home.... and then, if You want, on another adventure again to express your love. Selling water by the river, "the wave fearing to loose knowing to be river-water"-style

@Leo Gura How does contrast and relativity work when you are in alien conciousness? A lot of what makes up experience is the contrast in things like hot and cold, energized and tired, access and lack of access. If you are just imagining all these differences to have an experience how does it work when you are in alien mode.

Maybe leo didn't reach alien conciousness he just gained pov of sadhguru eyes for a moment.

Hmm.. intriguing. Is understanding in fine detail worthwhile or is it a lesser use of your time and energy? It bothers me that God is so unconditionally selfless and has an infinite capacity to remember/forget aspects of itself. Do you deeply fear that all the consciousness work you do can simply be forgotten by God in an instant and suddenly God imagines itself to be a rat in some sewer after imagining alien consciousness? This is a deep existential crisis for me. Why do all this work when you simply can forget all of it as if it didn't even exist. Has God put enough pointers in the imagination just so that it can find its way back? Are you familiar with the concept of countable and uncountable infinities? Natural/whole numbers are countable infinity while real numbers are uncountable infinity. Do you think that the absolute infinity is countable? In other words, if reality is made out of distinctions, and these distinctions are absolute, then it should be possible to count these infinities or infinite distinctions. Or atleast distinguish them definitively. Can you count these absolute number of distinctions given that you can fairly strongly comprehend/understand them? Or are they uncountable even after understanding them completely? Thoughts.

Awake is somewhat convergent. Alien consciousness is divergent. Is what I understand. @Leo Gura Leo 1) can/have you comprehensively and conclusively understand/understood reality? 2) Can you achieve COMPLETENESS in a way you clearly know that there is nothing more to explore. Have you functionally exhausted all the nook and cranny of infinity/reality?

Oh god, what a genius movie! It literally put tears of joy in my eyes the first time I saw it, although no one else I discussed it with seems to think much of this "weird crap"; oh well. It's one of the best deconstructions of the anthropocentric paradigm - snaps you right out of it, if you allow it. Alien lifeform's total, brutal disregard for "host's'" life, death, bodily integrity, sanity or suffering results, nevertheless, in forms that we can't help but call beautiful and aesthetic, if a bit (or a lot) grotesque. And this, I think, is a very good illustration of what the Absolute is "up to", to the extent we can even discuss such things: it does not care about meaning, or life, or, really, any one thing in particular - IT JUST. EXPLORES. FORM. And every form it produces is, in its own way, beautiful - though some of them might be more difficult for us to appreciate from our finite perspective. Leo's Quote #006 instantly reminded me of this movie; I wonder if it was inspired by it to some extent.

Most of the people are learning the wrong way. If you have trouble with some monkey business like dating or shit. You really need to learn to get into delta and theta brain states so you can reprogram your subconscious (your body). This reprogramming of the subconscious is a tricky business and it will take some months to master it but once you do you will be able to hack your biology and psychology: I feel like too much energy is focused on mental masturbation like alien consciousness and shit while most people who monkey business problems. You are not going to self actualize if you think you are able to skip maslov pyramid stages nor are you doing anybody any good by wiping your spiritual dick out to have a samadhi explosion over yourself.

lol, ye might not believe me, but my sober consciousness has increased so much these days that I live in this "alien god consciousness" every day 24/7. yes not to the same extent as on a psychedelic or a "temporal awakening experience", but it's so much that I feel fully merged with God's mind that a human possibly can while still here and functioning. There is so much light, beauty, interconnection, vastness (esp when driving/outside), majesty, glory, depth of perception, love, intelligence... and my head feels like it's "tripping all the time". I can pick up what someone says and know roughly where they may be at in their level of consciousness, what "work" lies ahead of them, etc.

AWAKE does not require alien consciousness. AWAKE requires that you become conscious of how you imagine the entire world into existence around yourself. It's very direct, very pure, very profound God-Realization. You need to get to the very root of what GOD is. Not as Emptiness or Nothingness, but as yourself imagining everything around you -- including your body, your memories, the Earth, and other people. And including all spiritual teachings and enlightenment. You have to realize that enlightenment, nonduality, Buddhism, meditation, sleep, birth, and death are all imaginary.

Well, isn't your whole recent arc just generated by AI? Alien intelligence... oh wait...it's alien consciousness...nvm

So if awakenings what forum members expericenced = awakenings that Leo experienced. Then (certain number) X awakening = AWAKE? So AWAKE = alien consciousness + other awakenings?

@Leo Gura Isn't that a belief ? God told you ? How many times have you experienced alien awakening and is there a trajectory to it ?

You could also explore coffee table consciousness. But it's a lot less interesting than alien consciousness. Coffee table < ant < mouse < human < alien I have explored, for example, predator consciousness: what it's like to be a predator, like a tiger hunting a deer. Your consciousness is not limited to being human. That's mostly the point.

There is a lot of stuff in that book which you have not validated. Of course Oneness and Unity are true. That's not the issue. It's not distinct. God-Realization at its highest levels turns human consciousness into alien consciousness. It's not an alien lifeform on a distant planet. It's you. You break out from human consciousness into an alien version of consciousness. You are always God and there is always only you. I am NOT talking about meeting or channeling aliens. You are the alien. Right now you are stuck in human consciousness. You can break out of that to experience alien consciousness. It's hard to explain it.

Leo is hyping this alien consciousness to the max. This alien consciousness better be giving me the ability to actualize a bunny out of my ass or I'm going to be disappointed if it is a non actualizing ability. That is the least I expect if he claims this consciousness has 100 x the intelligence of human intelligence.

Perfectly nonsensical like your alien consciousness ? They go into the bubble and go to sleep and wake up. So probably the bubble is a paradigm of psychedelic consciousness of some sort. It is just that the end didn’t make any sense.

That is not at all what I mean by Alien Consciousness. Be careful with those books. They are not much more than beliefs and stories. If you cannot validate it in your direct experience, you cannot consider it true. It is extremely easy to fall into self-deception with those books. Just because something sounds nice or profound does not make it true and it is not in the same realm as Awakening.