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Ishanga replied to TheGod's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Its true, most of what ppl are doing with their time, beside eating, sleeping, working and reproducing, is distraction, its not only from Loneliness, but from feeling a sense of nothingness or boredom... You only feel Bored because You do not know what Life is Experientially, Boredom is a clear sign that You are not really Alive, or Living, Your just Existing, which for a Human Being is a Tragedy, since we are the most capable live forms to realize what Life Truly Is about! If You change and transform Yourself, You'll never feel lonely again, You'll feel a complete connection with Everything around You, everything in Existence if You want to go that far its there for You to explore, its up to You how much connection You want to feel and experience.. -
ExploringReality posted a topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
A seeker of Truth walks into a bar… The bartender says, What’ll it be? The seeker replies, “I’ll have… reality.” The bartender shrugs and says, Sorry, we’re out of reality. Only nothingness on tap. The seeker nods, smiles, and says, “Perfect… I’ve been searching for that all my life." the seeker happily sipping nothingness, realizing the whole bar, the bartender, even themselves, was just a concept the whole time. 🫠😏 -
Dodo replied to ExploringReality's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That'll be 2000 bucks please, you drank a lot of nothingness there, sir. Sorry, we gotta pay the bills. Should've drank your own nothingness, pal! -
theoneandnone replied to ExploringReality's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Error: Even said post is not real and is from nothingness. Error: beep beep error again even these words nothing. Even the word nothing is nothing. lol. -
I realised Infinite Love is just product of this nothingness to keep me dream again.There is no more fear of experiencing nothingness now.
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You'll develop a sense for it. Health, logistical considerations, and such are factors, but secondary. It is a feeling that now's not the right time. I haven't tripped in nearly 3 months, unusually long for me. There has been a primal instinct beyond any reason that right now I don't want or need to see what God will show me. Several times I was about to inject myself and withdrew at the last second. This shit is so tricky, supposedly I pursue understanding no matter the cost, so such a situation can generate doubt and self-gaslighting. Gotta remember it's a long game, a timely strategic retreat is the wisest move. Then again some instances require ignoring every alarm bell and flooring the gas, no reverse gear. Right-o, in fact make it a priority. Get to the bottom of why you're on this path in the first place, without a concrete answer you won't be able to endure its hardest moments. Perfectly self-consistent logical chains can come from just thinking through it, i.e. interconnecting Truth, Love, Nothingness, Goodness, Will, Infinity. Huge advantages on a practical level too.
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Malekakisioannis replied to theoneandnone's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
1. There is no such thing as "at the beginning of time". 2. God is also absolute nothingness 3. Will to die and will to live are both alive in us because we are both nothing and something -
• "Will to Die": His philosophy, influenced by Schopenhauer but far more extreme, centered on the idea that the fundamental driving force of the universe is a "Will to Die" (Wille zum Tode), the reverse of Schopenhauer's "Will to Live." • "God's Suicide": Mainländer theorized that at the beginning of time, a unitary God (or Monad) chose to commit suicide out of a desire for absolute nothingness, shattering itself into the time-bound fragments that constitute the universe. In this view, existence itself is the decaying corpse of God, and all life carries an inherent, unconscious desire for annihilation as the ultimate "redemption." • Redemption: For Mainländer, death was the desired liberation, and the purpose of humanity and all existence was to collectively aim for peaceful extinction, or "cosmic euthanasia."
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Heres how it went for me the order is a little fuzzy This is kind of how it goes but in no specific orders: No Self realization (Enlightenment- ego death) The mystical wind - (spirit) Bliss - Divinity- amazing- miraculous- godlike - mystical Infinity - (The God Wind - Absolure Infinity - reeling on the ground for momma. You are Infinity and Infinity is reality. As a result of Infinity - its Consciousness - Consciousness continues to expand encompassing all. Its a dream. Everything is ideas not material reality. Mind blowing Nothingness. You are Absolutely Nothing ..as a result of Infinity (Devastating a feeling of complete emptiness) Complete Omniscience - grasping it all. Wonderful. You grasp it all in one go. God realization - You are God and are dreaming the whole thing. All of it is yours. Satisfying. Complete Oneness Solpsism) self and other duality collapses - it really hits you now. Yeah you were God. But you're fucking God. Like that's it. There's nothing outside of you.. Beautiful but terrifying. Ego returns. Somehow keep your sanity.
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Dodo replied to pursuitofspirit's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@pursuitofspirit better than nothing 😆 But what do you mean by "trapped in state of consciousness" Trapped in a state of myself? Dufuck? 🤣 I am consciousness! That insight is about how nothingness is conscious. Its nothing to cry about, we dont feel bad in deep sleep when all content goes, not even bored, but also definitely not tired of being. -
Princess Arabia replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nothing can actually be in denial of anything because "denial of" suggests subject/object relationship which isn't really happening. There are no subjects there are no objects only appears that way. There is no me to deny God. Everything is everything and everything is nothing. There is no anything to be anything. There is just what's appearing. It's all empty, VOID. There is only nothingness which appears as everything. Appearances aren't real; nothing is. So me being in denial of God is an idea that nothing is being. -
koops replied to koops's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thats my question. My guess is that is death. You said one of these days that you can shoot yourself in the head and even then you will be more conscious (of something like that). So my point is: whats the phenomenology of that? Pure Nothingness? Just like when we sleep? But then, is that being conscious? I dont get how can you be conscious when there is nothing. Does it makes sense? -
This is my experience as well, and from this perspective; consciousness would still be absolute? The nature of consciousness is simply such that, if it has nothing to be aware of, its not aware of its own existence. so "nothingness" is still consciousness, just without content
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Since this post is so long, you can just read the summery in parentheses after each paragraph. We have experiences, build correlations, identify patters, materialize desires, externalize needs and project them onto objects, destinations, lifestyles. We wire our mind, connect one sensation onto another, intertwine it with emotions, project and create experiences, entangle ourselves in reality, connect dots, try to make sense, find out what stays consistent, pursue what we correlate with meaning, react based on our understanding, preference, model of reality. We go meta, analyze from a higher vantage point, take on new axioms, untangle one experience from the other, build new context, strive to be more objective, less biased, less self-indulgent, more understanding, more aware of the big picture, a holistic view of where we are, what we are, how we are, why we are, that we are, to see our assumptions as assumptions, identify our intent and its source, arising experience for what it is, figure out how to do that, continue to intuit, explore, experience, be. (Sensations form constellations) Reality has many dimensions, its a sphere we can subdivide, cut into pieces, we can use the pieces to create things, shapes, forms, objects, subjects, selves. The way we connect these things, the way we cognize and make sense, the way we wire sensations with desires, impulses, drives, the way those emerge higher understanding, models, realities. We construct reality, aware or unaware of how we do it. We move our body, choose our activities, consciously or unconsciously, there are many layers of understanding and interpretation, mechanics, explanations, sciences, consistencies, nature, invisible forces, perceived changes, cycles, repetitions, patterns. The conscious and unconscious inflect upon each other to polarize into individual experiences. (Their arrangement is arbitrary) Do we have control? What is control? Is there such a thing as control? Reality flows, we make decisions, we think we make decisions, something makes decisions, we feel the drives within us, the impulses that adjust behavior, manipulate reality. Are we the ones doing it? The self, a constellation, accumulation of patters, ideas, behaviors, acquired tendencies, a reflection of the world it is apart of and yet distinctly itself, creating reality inside out and entangling itself with it, holistically interacting across multiple domains? Do I make decisions or am I simply a conglomerate of the cells that make me deciding as a hive, gut, heart, brain, the personalities within me, the arising desires. Even so, the problem doesn't dissipate, if my cells make the decisions, even then, that which I believe myself to be would simply adjust to be their emergent property, in a way it doesn't matter, since I'd still be every single one of these cells and the emergent, us making decisions or me really becomes the same thing, if will is made on a lower substrate, then the higher is not without will but a more complex expression. But that's just a theory, idea, will is an axiom, ascribed, the self is an axiom, and science is figuring it out under the assumption that it exists, there is something of a gestalt. (The ego is a gestalt) Maybe the perceiver is an illusion, all these unique forces of nature align to create the gestalt I perceive, I believe myself to be. But the duality of a perceiver separates it from the perceived. Yet all it ever sees and knows and can experience is so by virtue of being an experience perceived, by definition not the perceiver. And yet, all of that appears to come out of the perceiver, or flow through it, it is entangled by virtue of being perceived. Let's collapse the duality of perceiver and perceived. In that case everything is perceived or perceiver, let's call it capital P Perception. Perception is being, experiencing, though what about the unperceived, unexperienced, the thoughts that pass through perception and disappear back into the subconscious/unconscious aether. (The duality of perceiver and perceived collapses) There is a duality of the present experience as Perception and on the other hand the known to exist potential unactualized, dematerialized, hidden away. Of all the possible experience, one possibility is currently the case in Perception. Imagine blue, imagine red, now blue is gone but its still in the local subconscious, we can bring it back out, shuffle those two, combine them, but there is much more in the yet unconscious, random ideas we can remember, associate, spawn, an elephant, where did it come from? It wasn't there, now it is. (There is a vast hidden reality beyond the current Experience) Nothingness is the guitar string at rest, in tension, in its original formlessness, without sound, without experience, no action, pure being, all contained, itself empty, Shiva. Objects, ideas, the omni-dimensional fabric of reality, unentangled, pure, detached, without form, without purpose, without assumption, axioms, impulses, unease, tension, drives creating conflict and pursuit, the feeling of separation, the duality of selfishness and selflessness, of love and hate and apathy, and the entropy towards Unity. The ultimate nothing, the nothing that excludes itself, the idea that goes meta, cuts its tail and self-annihilates. The kundalini that burns all karma, the freedom of being content, fulfilled, untangled, of being where one wants to be, more even, the collapse of all dualities create a no-space, no-distance, everything already is, nowhere to go, nowhere to be, a singularity that merges all and annihilates all distance. Now there is no story, no protagonist, no world, no being nor non-being, neither isness nor non-isness, when all dualities, all pointers collapse themselves. (Nothingness collapses all forms into the base state) Nothingness is the realization that any constellation of experience is possible, that any arrangement of forms is arbitrary. That any desire connects itself to other sensations creating a gestalt. Forms keep themselves afloat, they link and associate themselves to other forms, creating pathways, roads, directions, cycles, stories, experiences, dependent arising/origination whose contrast creates an actual Duality that correspondingly spawns the idea of itself, through identification of the inherent difference of perception, which is created inside out through sensory perception, but on a larger scale the universe really takes that form in order for it to become the experience of an individual to be processed and interpreted further. But that actuality is a higher form of the same phenomenon, invisible forces, laws of physics, dependent origination, complexifying and turning itself into self-perceiving observers made conscious through the perception of those more universal forms. There is consciousness and within it infinite forms. (The universe splits itself into dualities and experiences itself through entities) This isn't a reason to despair into nihilism, nihilism ultimately inflects upon itself and dissolves as well. Purpose is self-determined, socially expanded/contextualized/harmonized, God a dreamer across infinite dimensions, lifeforms arrange themselves creating tendencies and desires, exploring the universe. We use senses to create ourselves, cognition to understand ourselves explicitly, through intuition implicitly, our brain is both dual and non-dual, left and right hemisphere, order and chaos, form and creativity that arises from the formless. We are created and on a higher level create ourselves, our awareness of the process is variable, dualities form different interpretations and collapse into higher self-understanding. (We create and experience ourselves through dualities and exist independently in the formless) We build systems, sciences, mathematics, physics, biology, they are self-contained systems, maps, a conceptual reflection of reality, a variable progressing technical mechanistic understanding, we try to unite them through formulas, strive to achieve complete consistency. Reality is outside of that, it is Meta. We use these rules to understand correlations, to manipulate reality, but reality can always go meta, can always be more. In a new realization, it itself becomes the past, a lens of perception, interpretation, correlation, constellation. But it is cut off from the ever rejuvenating present that transcends it and expands itself non-linearly by creating new patterns that are retroactively integrated, universal intelligence, Chitta. (Systems are self-contained mechanically consistent models that correspond or correlate with specific aspects of reality, but reality is infinitely more meta) Pragmatically, we keep ideas, models, relations in our mind, but there is a force capable of instant understanding, the source of creation, a cosmic intelligence that leads one to understand what a thing is in itself, unmeasured by contrast, untainted by preference, bias, desire. I am attached to models, understanding, but there is a force that transcends and skips all that by going beyond and becoming the thing it seeks to understand, foregoing all the complicated dualistic calculations that try to understand a thing through its correlation with other things. An awareness, that sees and knows, an intuition that feels, a top-down understanding and the more I break away from creating systems, that more I access it, but its always beyond. If I want to create something in this dualistic world, then I conceptualize, associate and relate what I know, then use this knowledge to create. But to use this transcendent intelligence is go straight to the source of one's desire and work top down, breaking the top holon into the simplest pieces necessary to replicate it and discovering new patterns in the process. (There is a cosmic top-down intelligence that arises spontaneously to those with an empty mind) One has goals, dualities created for the pursuit of happiness, but the pursuit itself creates separation, and yet that pursuit itself is the result of a previous state of unhappiness, it is an attempt to solve it, but it is a separate overlay, a distinction created to externally resolve a corresponding projected image of an internal state. That internal state however is a result of one's own self-understanding and psyche, self-image, the belief that the external shall inform the internal, that internal feelings ought to correspond to external achievements or environments. This dichotomy itself is the problem, internal states are self-regulated, self-imposed, self-determined, it is simply the lack of consciousness that prevented one from seeing that all internal feelings are a self-determined correspondence to external reality. Wants and desires are subconsciously wired to the allowance of the experience of happiness, initially they are wired for survival, after this when a model of reality is constructed in childhood, reality is far more variable and flexible, but with oughts/shoulds and expectations a pattern of gratification, of conditioned happiness is developed, assumed objective, assumed real, believed into existence, a self-fulfilling prophecy, a blindspot, a mechanic system of beliefs but greater reality transcends the limitations that the ego loses itself in. (Happiness is natural state that the ego separates itself from through conditions) Unity -> Duality -> Arrangement -> Interpretation -> Systems -> Consistency -> Mechanics -> Knowledge -> "Facts" -> Ego Ego -> Adaptation -> Exploration -> Change -> Transience -> Dynamicism -> Awareness -> Ego-Death -> Non-Duality -> Unity The world we see is an arrangement of many patterns, physically seeming properties, idea constructs, but they're dynamic, they reference an ever morphing system. Any idea, word, sentence is an attempt, a pointer towards an aspect of reality, ideas are absolute by themselves as definitions but are really just a map, not the territory. There is a process that creates the very ideas separate from territory. There is a process that creates the very territory itself. And there is a process that correlates the territory with maps and brings those maps into awareness as a bridge, (The map is not the territory but the process that allows for the creation of maps is quite fascinating) Everything is actual but some things are more directly actual than others. Actual Nothing -> Actual Something -> (Actual) Idea of Something -> (Actual) Idea of Nothing Though this is still a duality, if the territory is the truth, then the map is part of the territory, The map is a subset of the territory that creates a systemized reflection through available mechanisms. And then there is the territory itself, an uninterpreted, unsystemized non-dual experience of something that can be described through a thousand lenses and gives rise to any and all interpretations and creates a dozen dualities. The experience itself: "Actuality", of course actuality is a duality, or it can be used as such, clearly by the very fact of the existence of a word, it points to something and by pointing to something it points away from somewhere else. Actuality as a duality points to that territory from which all maps arise, it points away from the maps and onto the thing itself left uninterpreted. The greater capital Actuality however encompasses the map and dissolves the duality, the focus dissipates, everything becomes experience, including the process of creating maps and the maps themselves, the duality and objectification of the separation disappears. Everything becomes the territory, but that fact can only be understood by transcending the journey from where one stands, which is often from inside the duality that is to dissolve. (The map is actually a subset of the territory and merges with it in Non-Duality) In summery, Non-Dual Nothingness is the fabric of all being, it takes forms creating dualities and distinctions, creating objects and subjects and maps that are a subset of reality, any one thing can be interpreted in a million ways by a million lenses through association, distinction, pattern recognition. When Non-Dual Nothingness is paired as a duality with Non-Dual Infinity, that duality itself can be dissolved into a larger Non-Duality. Where everything is only and ever itself, all contexts can arise and are themselves as well. A superposition of any thing, a superposition of any combination, a superposition of any interpretation. A superposition of every pattern, the combination of any pattern with any other pattern in any constellation in relation to any other constellation, in any form or time, or relation, or entropy, contextualized and actualized in the infinite dream. (Nothingness and Infinity are two sides of the same coin and that coin itself is a superposition of anything and everything in any context and every context infinitely interconnected and intermerged in relation and contrasted to any and all other possibilities. To go meta is to transcend and include and the ultimate meta is that which transcends and includes everything including nothing and itself)
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Beautiful song Bastard of the cross relentlessly Strike fear preaching of his coming here Scriptures, twisted words to provocate Rapture from the lord your god so great BASTARDS OF CHRIST - DIE!!!! He fucked himself to save you - put to death, masochist For this his word berate truth - agonized, prophecized Revive the book of fiction - blasphemy, gluttony, to deceive you and me In battled disposition - hang the bitch on the cross Entitle his convictions - blasphemous, lunatic your heart is full of hatred - BASTARDS DIE, FUCK YOUR CHRIST, WILL SURVIVE, KILL YOURSELF........DIE!!!!!!!!!! Bastard, for your god you compromise Do without, search the truth you'll never find Scriptures offer little to relate Laughter from the lord into your face BASTARDS OF CHRIST - DIE!!!! You think your god will save who - I will see, just believe You fool, not true, no thank you - enemy of the cross His word installs deception - pray to god, not for me, for yourself, soon you'll see You'll die for your religion - holy shit, pacifist Untrue with choices given - nothing won, you are dead Describe the holy vision - BLACKING OUT, FINAL BREATH, MEET WITH DEATH, NOTHINGNESS, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, there is Nothingness. But since there's nothing there it passes in an instant. Only dreams have a sense of time and substance. You escape into nothingness when you sleep but you don't even feel it since there's nothing to feel.
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The Love-Making Process of Consciousness is a higher process than even time itself. The only thing that's not a process is ABSOLUTE TRUTH - which is identical with ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS - out of which all of it arises. But that - I call it Unground - remains forever unknowable and thus turns the whole cosmos into a living, breathing & dancing Mystery. But God still got some Aces up Her sleeve, don't worry.
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@Leo Gura i had an experience on 4-5 tabs of LSD like 400-600 UG don't remember, i got so conscious that i could focus on my heart and then see it infront of me with eyes closed (the black screen) was gone. I decided to stop it because i knew there was no death, and i got into the nothingness/god head and felt i was there before. Anyway my question is, aren't you afraid that somebody might do it too and in your reality you might view it as them dying(when they actually didn't) . Or do i not understand something?
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Zeroguy replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Well Truth to be told in my awakening there was only me.I experienced myself as Infinity of Love ,Goodness,Intelligence . I experienced Void which was timeless and I was there for Infinite amount of time just me alone.It was very solipsistic experience .Nothingness amd Infinity was one and the same,Inner and outter are the same.I was procecting the world from my eyes and everything is imagined. I experienced myself as God and was really feeling it. -
if solipsism is right,does that mean we keep reincarnating over and over again? like in a loop? first of all,the idea of existing forever by any means is terrifying for me. we all know the general beliefs of buddhism,and i'm not really a fond of reincarnation,because you need to do it over and over again. it must be pretty boring and tiring. but maybe that isn't the case,maybe i misunderstood. the optimal for me after death would be nothingness. i imagine life like a chance,you born with the background and everything you got purely by luck and you try to make something out of it. at the end of your life you'll see what have you managed to accomplish or do with your life. this is an oversimplified version about my concerns with this theory,but i tried. feel free to correct me
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Is it just an eternal black nothingness? No feelings, no thoughts, no sensations, no self?
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caspex replied to Franz_'s topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
From what I can gather, once you truly die you become pure potential, which is what nothingness is. But pure potential cannot help but become something eventually. This is why I think reincarnation is the most likely. But we must also consider whether there exists other layers of this living being that might continue after physical death. Either way, whatever happens after death would not be permanent, like everything else. I think you should rather be relieved to know your existence is eternal. What's terrifying is that you'd be eternal as well, which I don't see to be the case. -
Leo Gura replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The Absolute is Everything. What Buddhists and nondualists get wrong is that they reduce the Absolute to formlessness only. They miss that the Absolute applies equally to all form. Nothingness is not prior to Consciousness, it IS Consciousness. Consciousness is Absolute. Consciousness takes many forms and states, and also empty unformed states. The very base/core of God/Consciousness is total formlessness, but this is not to be placed on a pedastal as the only truth. Consciousness cannot be reduced to formlessness alone. Buddhists and nondualist commit the error of reductionism. Because they do not have the highest God-Realization because they were always following dogma and group-think in their practices. The reduction of Consciousness to any atomic thing or substance like "Nothing" is a mistake. The reduction of Consciousness to any state like cessation is a mistake. Those who speak of Consciousness as just Nothing do not understand the full higher dimenisions of Consciousness because that is beyond meditation and self-inquiry. They have no way of reaching it and no dogma to teach them. And they reject anything which isn't part of their dogma. Of course. God = no self = Infinite Intelligence Yes, you can contemplate it and trip more deeply and realize the truth of that equation ever more deeply until eventually it kills you. Keep tripping and keep contemplating the precise questions you wish to know. -
Hojo replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@SugarcoatIts just a state of itself, the void allows for knowledge of consciousness. You are in a state of the exact same thing right now and there no difference between that and the other. There is a facet where you see that that thing is happening now and you dont feel like it. Its the same thing that feels different. Theres a state where you feel like broly from DBZ tearing space and time with power. That state would have the base of that nothingness still there. The base state allows you to clearly see what God is. -
emil1234 replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura I still think we need a proper response from you, to the buddhist and non dual notions of "The Absolute" being Nothingness, beyond and prior to consciousness. many many teachers seem to agree on this
