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1. The guy is awakened, not enlightened (according to my enlightenment radar; if you disagree, you're obviously wrong). 2. I don't give a fuck. This is a problem about logic. You can be absolutely psychotic and enlightened at the same time. And it was said tongue in cheek, mirroring his condescending remark, except I made it direct instead of making it indirect, which is another brilliant tactic.

But didn't logic explain what Absolute truth is to you? What you know now of Absolute Truth must be logically or conceptually deduced. I'm not saying you haven't awakened. I'm saying that right now your notions of Absolute truth are no more Absolute then Solpsism.

I’m curious to your thoughts on using psychedelics in the path. To some it seems like catalyst, to others a huge delusion and distraction/addiction (Aubrey Marcus comes to mind) What hangs me up is that they can never permanently change your state or keep you awakened. They also seem aggressive on your nervous system. And come with high risk. Many great teachers - Ramana , Wilber, Yogananda, Sahajananda, Ralston, Igor, Rupert, Adyashanti who live in awakened states of consciousness never recommend psychedelics. My take is that they are helpful to open the mind and show what’s possible, but like Alan Watts says hang up the phone once you got it

Many many posts on the forum regarding awakening. Judging those on the path. Judging what we talk about as a 'measure if how awake you are'. 'Awake people wouldn't do this, or that, or whateverthefuck' 'Why ask this' 'Who is asking?' Just stop. You are going the opposite way - union is the goal If you have been doing the work for a time, you know it is a journey. You are the process. This is a hugely underrated video from Leo (get ready for the old-school Zen-stick Leo). I personally revisit this one often. If anyone has glossed over this once or missed it entirely - or resisted it (You should look into that :P) I highly recommend it. Newbies, veterans, awakened... one of the images will resonate. Enjoy:

You are getting lost in concept here if you want to become aware of what Solipsism is you have to understand the difference between actuality and concept and you HAVE TO BECOME AWARE OF NOTHINGNESS. You must have these realizations to understand Solipsism if you don't have this STATE change which makes it completely obvious that there was never any separation you will never know this information. Also in an earlier post you said when you physically die you will lose all content that's not what will happen go research Near Death Experiences, all that happens when you die as a human is you become Infinite Consciousness and become unlimited. You experience limitation as a human and then you experience the lack of limitation as God. Also and this is a big thing, ONLY YOU CAN AWAKEN. So you can literally experience physical death, become Infinitely Conscious and STILL BE DELUDED. If you don't fully accept yourself as God then nobody else can for you. This is why I recommend people take state altering substances, this belief that just do nothing and things will happen is horseshit. If I never walked the Spiritual Path I would NOT have awoken. The experience of Duality while an illusion IS SOMETHING YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH. For example if I want to go swimming I'm not going to sit on my bed and meditate and think that the swimming will happen by meditating. I will get my butt up and go to a water source and swim. Awakening is exactly like that! No amount of forum posts are going to awaken you in general with only few exceptions. So here is something that will help. Go get an edible you can order it online the name of the company is Mood. Then take it and watch this video. Sit and listen to this video with a quiet mind. If you come up with any objections at this point you just don't wanna awaken. Anyone that tells you that awakening is ordinary (and it partly is no question) has not awakened deeply. This is absolutely the case with no question. TRUE AWAKENING is becoming aware of the RADICAL SUPERNATURAL POWER OF GOD. This is no small thing, this is literally the power to create UNIVERSES, please explain to me how that is ordinary? The only ordinary aspect of it, is your ordinary human existence is an expression of that Radical Power. So yes its ordinary, but it is also SUPER NATURAL.

Yes, because It's supposed to be the ultimate achievement and also the end of suffering, so people appear who sell it. It's a perfect place for narcissists, who partly believe what they say, but can't stand a profound critique of their mental framework without saying: "You don't understand because you haven't awakened." The issue of enlightenment doesn't have a globally accepted definition, and a consensus is currently emerging that it means identification with consciousness defining it as the screen where change arises.

"I mean, your description doesn't really sound like "enlightenment"." I guess it's just the way I was taught. "Before Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water. After Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water." The only difference is after we don't identify with all those emotions. We still have them though. We still have thoughts all day long. Just like the 'Before.' We just don't identify with them after we are done experiencing them. BTW, I think that being "Awakened" is a spiritual fantasy. Rather, it's in the process of being awakened. Because we are all human and we all blunder. I don't think a person can tell if someone is Enlightened or not. A child goes into a daydream and snaps out of it when the lunch bell rings. That day dream is long forgot. That's why I'm proposing that maybe it's more common than we think.

Have you awakened to nothingness? If you have not then you will not understand the point I am making. The closest I can get to proving an example is remember that time when you went into DEEP SLEEP and were no longer aware of your existence? That is what the substance of reality is made of. It's literally made up of that which does not exist. This is what is meant by you do not exist, your true nature is never affected by the world because the world cannot touch it. Your ego gives you the illusion of physicality. Everything is just pure imagination, until you become aware that everything is pure imagination which is literally nothing then you will always be confused about whether something can exist without. NOTHING can exist without you it's literally impossible and how you accomplish that impossibility is you tell yourself you are a human.

Ohhhhh so now you are saying there are two selves? Wait a minute James you are contradicting yourself now Also I don't suffer my life is going very well actually. Also what you don't know is TRUE BEING=DEATH. It doesn't have a self to even have a life. And then it is also LIFE because it is eternal and cannot die. So it is both Life and Death. The problem is you haven't awakened to both aspects, so you can only speak from your limited perspective.

@Princess ArabiaThey are being fed into my consciousness by God to annoy me. I see it alot more when I first awakened, dozens of them talking for hours per video saying the exact same thing over and over and over. On youtube or the answer you want in my own head.

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions. It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that.

@Someone here But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening

@Inliytened1 I can only say that the path to awakening comes with a heavy price. There’s a lot of suffering and sacrifice. It’s not like I haven’t done a lot of spiritual work because I have. I have never done psychedelics for recreation, only for my own personal and spiritual growth. I have gained a lot from it Leo has said before in one of his videos that he sometimes regrets going so deep into it because once you do the game is up. I don’t know how he feels about this now but this chimes with my thinking that we’re in this world to live life even if it is a dream but walk in the world with one foot grounded in consciousness In terms of the matrix it’s all to a degree. I am not so unconscious that I do not have a connection to the divine through presence and the felt experience. I intuit more deeply life situations however I am not awakened to divine truth in each passing moment. I do get lost in the moment as the majority of people do. There are so few human on the planet that are actually awakened like that. Painfully small. Probably no one on this forum. Maybe just a handful on people

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

So you have no bias towards the Parson's perspective vs Nisargadatta? If so why did you become so defensive when I felt one was awakened and the other was not? You can lash out at me all you want but that was not a normal response that you gave me. Rather then reacting with thoughtful opinions or intelligent feedback you just said. OK thanks boss. But you want to block me.

Like... words not actually describing or being the thing it refers to? This issue of words keeps popping into my contemplations in a most unwanted way... some rather rude thoughts from my morning 'walking the dog contemplation' : The word 'LIGHT' Turn on the light - means illumination This crowbar is light - means not heavy I prefer light colours - pale, not dark I am a light sleeper - means easily awakened Same word - four meanings. The only thing that tells you which is which is the context. So my only derivation is that a word doesn't describe a thing on its own - the context activates the meaning. Words are symbols. Not the actual thing. Meaning is not in the word. So this naturally must mess with experience right? See a tree and instead of sensing bark, smell, sound, light flicker - my brain goes 'tree'. Directness is gone, mystery deleted. And I stop seeing - I think 'tree' and the language effectively stole my true experience. And the 'borrowing context' further minces the pie - associations from past uses of a word dump all over new experiences...

To me, it says that when you are awakened, it is the same life as you were living before. In modern terms: Before Enlightenment: Get up early to go to work. It's a one-hour drive, and traffic is congested. The boss is always grumpy. Only get a 30-minute lunch break. It's a one-hour drive home, and traffic is congested. Greet your wife at home and ask for some loving. She points a finger at you and says, "NO!" After Enlightenment: Get up early to go to work. It's a one-hour drive, and traffic is congested. The boss is always grumpy. Only get a 30-minute lunch break. It's a one-hour drive home, and traffic is congested. Greet your wife at home and ask for some loving. She points a finger at you and says, "NO!" The difference is one's state of consciousness. Before the Enlightenment, the person is carrying around all the emotional baggage from one point to the next. And he is carrying around yesterday's, last week's, last year's crap too. After enlightenment, he isn't carrying anything from one point to the next. James 123 says it above.

I've awakened that there is no difference between the human perspective and God. We only use terms like human, and God because the experience is different. But its the same being there every time. For example I once left my body and went straight to God. I was an infinite mind creating things on the fly. While I was in that state....I still remembered I use to be a human only moments before and my thinking didn't change. All that happened was I was communicating with an Infinite Intelligence, had no freaking body at all ( I was like a camera basically lol just witnessing and communicating telepathically with what was there. At that point I started to feel sad because I thought my like has ended in my 30's and I wanted to complete the human life and as soon as I had that thought....Reality Pixealted itself back into the human life that I had known earlier and I was back being the human version of me again.

Examples such as Osho or Robert Adams. If you want to get an idea of what it feels like to witness Jesus or Buddha then watch Osho & Robert .truly awakened people. Not mentioning Leo because he is still young .Once his beard turns gray then you can add him lol.

@Breakingthewall There's quite a bit of escapism masquerading as truth seeking 'awakened' spirituality, it's not much different than from most religious ideologies and mystical musings. People trying to make sense of life and the human condition with all of its challenges and hardships to find some respite from it all. Many of the things I say may on the surface seem similar to the many 'spiritual' things others talk about but I'm not sure the perspectives are all that similar. I transcend the conditional to abide in well being which is expressed in conscious experience so I can celebrate life through all its twists and turns. Labeling things as 'true or false' and 'real or illusion' has little value for this. It doesn't matter to me if my words or conceptualizations align with others, I just look at the fruit of it. If whatever someone says or believes about it brings well being in their conscious experience, then who am I to say it's 'wrong' or 'bad'. The words or concepts aren't the fruit, what it produces in their inner life and how it expresses is the fruit.

Umm you can....and its not Spiritual ego. If you think thats Spiritual ego...then you are creating a Spiritual ego to be afraid of....which is Spiritual ego. No self is nothing. The other stuff I just mentioned are the other facets of the Universal Mind that you are. If you have not awakened to Absolute Goodness and Perfection then you couldn't even properly understand Morality for example. So there is a ton of integration there to be had. But hey...assume you are the expert here and fall into the very ego you fear. That which you fear you resist, that which resists, persists.

You are right. The idea that an awakened mind is always silent is a false image, an ideal born of thought. However, The observer and the observed are not separate, they are the same movement. And when one recognize this, deeply, not intellectually, the division ends. In that ending, the mind is still and silent. And in that silence, Truth, which is nameless, timeless, comes. One does not seek it. It comes when the mind is utterly quiet. Then, the absolute speaks not as words, but in the language of silence. The Moment. Naturally, Effortlessly.

I guess the "awakening" person practices it over and over. He may go down an emotional rabbit hole and when he snaps out of it the intense emotion lingers on. The "awakening" person would notice this and become puzzled? Why am I hanging on to this anger? Why am I identifying with it? All those other times I didn't. What I do is I write it down and process it. There is a reason it's "sticking." I learn and grow. One just gets good at doing it. I think that the "awakened" person is a spiritual fantasy. We are "awakening."

Have you awakened to the Universal Self? Have you awakened to Absolute Goodness? Have you awakened to Absolute Perfection? Have you awakened to Pure Love? Have you awakened to Absolute Truth? Have you awakened to the fact that you are God? If not...well there ya go.

Go listen to Peter Ralston, but then again you don't really know him personally so it's harder for you to confirm what an embodied awakened being looks and lives like from inside. Maybe it feels like entering the event horizon of your own consciousness when in the presence of an awakened one. I could imagine someone that values Truth over all else. Very blunt but loving. Someone that is an exceptional human being. Basically your question is " who is self actualized"? That's what Leos life purpose is, to actualize, to integrate and transcend, self actualization. Someone that doesn't fuck around with personal development, but takes it seriously And ties everything in a big picture overarching consciousness of God.