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If Leo was truly awake he could hack God’s database and look into his followers brains and see who is awakened and who not.

Be careful of false prophets. @axiomis stuck in neo advaita and, @Flyboy is young and not yet awakened. I know everyone on this forum and I also know their levels of advancement.

A.) No person is enlightened/awakened, Consciousness is conscious, God is God, a person is within Consciousness/God. (You, ultimate you, are not a person) B.) The concept of a person being enlightened or awake IS a concept, you ARE fooling yourselves. I don't know if this is exactly what Leo is saying, but what he's saying is actually TRUE, you just have to remove the human element of Leo that YOU are conceiving. Leo the person is not awake, I think he is taking it upon himself to 'speak on God's behalf', probably drug induced so it's coming out as ego, or a test.

There are infinite degrees to "Awakening". All possible awakening that can or can't exist, exists. God's imagination is unlimited and can create any form of conceptual or actual Awakening possible. It can imagine a so call absolute awakening from some human perspective, but it can also imagine infinite ways to go beyond that awakening. Because it's all infinite, and because you can only recall your direct experience of infinity when you are in your human perspective (which is a finite recollection of the experience of the infinite) it is possible for you as a human to continuously experience/remember higher and higher degrees of infinity compared to the amount you had remembered/experienced prior. But as God, all possible awakening and existence are all happening beyond time in infinite ways. You as God can experience all the infinite possibilities of "Spiritual Awakening" that existence can possibly experience and come back as a human retaining only an infinitely small portion of the whole of that experience. You can even consciously know how many infinite lifetimes, existence, or dimensions you've experienced, but you will likely only be able to recall, with detail, an infinite fraction of the whole once you are back to the human perspective. Because otherwise the sheer amount of information will melt your human brain. However, since you are God, you can remove, or at least lessen that limitation if you wish, the amount of infinity you can retain can change through God's will, and if you have a deep desire to continue exploring/experiencing higher degrees of Awakening or infinity, then you shall create that in your direct experience. There is always more, or higher, or beyond a certain awakening to be had because God is infinite, it can just keep creating infinite possibilities to entertain itself. You might continue to experience higher and higher infinity for infinite times/lifetimes/existence until you reach the extreme of the infinite of infinite of infinite... You might then go back to the most limiting perspective of a little human, and in that contrast, you can experience the infinite beauty of yourself. The degree and love you have for yourself that you can create and experience all of yourself. (In human language this experience seems linear in time, but to God, it's all happening outside of time, or in infinite time) You can experience being the "organ" of a higher dimensional being but within yourself containing an infinite universe that contains endless lifeforms and beings, and then zoom into the hair of one of the infinite alien beings, and find that within the hair it contains another infinite existence in a completely different dimension, and so on. You might even remember the non-human sensation of being these higher dimensional beings, or the vibration/language that are non-human. Even though just a finite recollection of the actual. This is very hard to communicate through human language since it's infinitely paradoxical/strange-loopy. Degrees of infinity can only be measured in one's direct experience to their prior direct experiences. Because it's not possible to mathematically measure infinity, or reduce it to human concepts. And the infinite variety of infinite consciousness makes any comparison obsolete. Only you can, through your direct experience, "know" in human terms how awakened you are. And depends on how much of the infinite you can retain as a human, the human perspective can feel so infinitely small and limiting. Most human concepts of awakening refer to the understanding/being of the infinite/God, which is true, but beyond that awakening exists infinite more awakenings. Most humans are satisfied with the first because compared to their human experience, just an infinite fraction of God is enough for them to stop seeking. But some people are more curious than others, so they can continue to explore infinite consciousness and discover new forms of conscious experiences.

Why do you use the word "alien"? Do you want to express that it's very different to human intelligence or what? Two years ago you thought you were very awakened but you didn't know anything about this alien intelligence right? Anyway, I am clear about my objective with this work. always go deeper, break all barriers. I don't think there is an end, just keep going deeper and deeper.

I agree that the proof is in the spiritual pudding. Many people claim to have transformative realizations, but if they still suffer how are these realizations different from the manipulations of the egoic mind? The journey is not only about understanding what you are not, but about directly realizing what you are, and thereby dissolving the personal attachments that cause you to suffer. The vast majority of content on this forum is about proclaiming profound insights, rather than doing the spiritual work of surrendering to the reality of yourself. If you still suffer, you have not yet fully realized or surrendered. When I first woke up, I went through quite a long period of time where my suffering was all but gone. I naïvely assumed that this awakened state was permanent, when in reality it was not. To the contrary, it was followed by an even darker period of suffering than I was in before I awakened. I now realize why this deeper suffering was necessary, and am grateful for what it taught me. Again, I find myself no longer suffering, but it is a deeper realization than before. It's like the first awakening was the birth of an infant that was cradled until it was ready to learn to walk. Love set me on my own feet, and I felt utterly abandoned until I finally found my way to the other side. Is the suffering permanently gone? I suppose it again depends on how well I have learned its lessons.

Behold! The lovely face of "Christ" (idk what other word to use for pointing). Randomly bumped into this, thought I'd share it as it's another good example of what the result of "ego dissolution", integration and awakened self can look like for those wanting to go farther. You can see the "light" and "innocence", joy and love shining through .

Maybe what I say is partialistic, but any belief can become a block, unconsciousness. Leo said an example that somebody can say to himself that "I don't know, everything is realtive while I eat unhealthy food" . Or when somebody want to impress others by talking only in scientifical style, but he comform to this pattern and then he can't speak in other way. So doesn't matter if he awakened that there are infinite number of all-powerful god, he can turn it into a lower and lower belief, until it become lower belief than the other beliefs, and that we call comforted to that pattern, block.

Yeah It's kind of depressing how little spirituality affects political views. Zen masters openly supported japanese imperialism and Buddhists perpetrated genocide in Myanmar. Really put me off Buddhism and zen. were those people awake? and is it possible for awakened people to support fascism and genocide and other devilry?

@Breakingthewall Don't think for one second there not other hardcore psychonauts who have gone as deep or deeper than Leo. I have met loads, some do things with psychedelics you wouldnt dare. But one thing I have noticed with all of them is they loose sense of reality in this world as a human, it's hardly something you would want to replicate. At the end of the day some of the stuff he is saying should raise alarm bells. "I am the most awakened person in the whole of humanity" when in reality I take a shit load of psychedelics. What is so special in that? it's hardly an achievement is it? granted there are intense as hell but anyone can do it and you can easily encourage people to pursue awakening through psychedelics without being arrogant and mean about it, if anything that will just put people off and now with some of the posts recently people are going to see this as a cult with a narcissistic leader, he is fucking up and I hope he returns to normal soon

The more I watch Leo, the more I realise that he hasn't really done this kind of shadow work. It reflects in his behaviours, his teachings and this community. Dude would really benefit from taking a break from psychedelics and doing shadow work but I doubt he would do that. The ironic thing is it would make him even more awakened if he did it.

Curt will never be awakened. Sorry but that dude is mentally limited.

Yes precisely, because physicality is created by the mind. Well, it is precisely what @Breakingthewall said, as God - when you imagine a physical barrier, (or "other") it manifests. When you shift your mind to be lucid that it was something you dreamed up, then that is the state of consciousness you are in. It is a great responsiblity to wake up, because you essentially have beaten the game. You are now the developer of the game, and thus, you can never have the feeling of not knowing its a game again, unless you fool yourself. So the awakened being begins the quest of fooling himself, over and over, until his time is done. And that's all there is to it.

In the detractors defense, what they're calling narcissistic abuse, the "you all are idiots, no one is as awakened as me, ......" that stuff does communicate "believe what I say".

Do you use awakened, enlightened and self-realized as different words for the same thing. To me they mean different things. Awakened and self-realized is not yet enlightened. So awakened/self-realized still experience suffering. Pain does not equal suffering though. You can feel shitty without creating a suffering-story about it.

@Someone here Yeah I agree that pain doesn't equal suffering. Pain is feeling sensations and suffering is thought. Awakening (imo) isn't as black and white as being awake or not. There are degrees of awakeness and with that degrees of suffering that one identifies with. Depending what life your living there might be different levels of suffering. Compare an awake being living in a cave with someone like Jesus who was highly engaged in his community and also tried to change the power structures of society and being nail to the cross for it. He probably did experience suffering to a very high degree but does that mean he was less awakened than Ramana? I don't know. It's hard to say because they lived such different lives that it's hard to compare the two. What I can say is that everyone will have a choice to make after enlightenment. Whether to isolate themselves (to various degrees) to connect to source and go further onto the continuum or engage in society and embrace the love aspect of awakening.

@Someone here The ending of suffering isn’t the only goal or point of enlightenment. That’s a partial, limited framing probably resulted from a thin study of Buddhism. Being more conscious, having awakenings, etc will, if done properly lower suffering, generally. But it’s not the only goal. Literally everyone is capable of suffering. Though, enlightened people likely suffer less. The goal of enlightenment is to know yourself as God. But, that being said the word enlightenment is used by different schools and can point to different things. Osho suffered, Leo suffers, jesus suffered in the cross… In my development I do work to limit suffering, and maximize feeling good. My awakenings generally feel very good. There is no suffering when very awake. But, it’s only part of the game. Awakening leads to truth. But, if an awakened one has cancer he will likely suffer.

It's extremely difficult to understand leo. I thought the same than flyboy said many times. He shows little patience with others, he has very little empathy, he repeats that he is the only awake person in the world, which makes many think he is crazy, he says incomprehensible things like that he wants to transform into a alien in front of the cameras, he is intimidating when he interacts with others, he likes to go to clubs to pick up girls, all that. but the reality is that leo has discovered the true awakening. Leo understands reality better than anyone. Sounds extremely stupid, but Leo is more awakened than Buda and Ramana maharshi ?. It's true, not a joke. That being said, don't believe Leo, but he can serve as inspiration and guidance.

Some might say that those who appear to get triggered relatively easily cannot be “awakened”, but in fact awakening has nothing to do with human behaviour. That is, Hitler could be more spiritually advanced than Jesus. Some of you could be more spiritually advanced than me.

Nope, that's just a narrative in your mind. Understanding Consciousness is way more tricky and radical than that. Yes, absolutely they are mental constructions and dogma. This situation is so bad that even after you have some of your so-called "enlightenments", even THAT is mental construction! Yes they are. You are doing it. Pure nonsense! This is self-deception! Most of the so-called "enlightened" people on this planet are deeply self-deceived. Nonsense. You fundamentally misunderstand how psychedelics work and what Truth even refers to. No. You fundamentally don't understand what Truth is. Consciousness comes in many states and degrees, and all of them are True. However, Awakened Consciousness is an extremely rare state and you will not be in it 24/7. Nor must you be in order to understand what Truth/God/Consciousness is. You are treating truth as some abstraction. What's not what Truth is. Truth is your entire field of experience, no matter what that experience is. However, even though that's the case, that doesn't mean you are Conscious of much. A dog's experience is Truth, however the dog is not Conscious of anything existential. I can say the same thing for all your meditative achievements. Even the fact that you have ever meditated is a concept/memory. So if you are going to deny me access to memory, I will do the same to you, and therefore even Buddhism doesn't exist because it's just a memory. You have never read a Buddhist book nor ever sat down to meditate nor done a retreat -- by your own logic. Calling me schizophrenic is completely nonsensical. You have no idea what that word means. Concepts can be used to make sense of reality, there is no problem in doing so, as long as it is done carefully and you understand what you are doing. This is Buddhist dogma that you picked up and which now forms the background of your entire worldview. This is just one way to frame things, and it certainly is not Awakening nor any high degree of Consciousness. Nor is it any kind of deep metaphysical understanding of reality. What you are talking about is shallow stuff. I don't give a fuck about equanimity or surrender. That is Buddhist dogma. What matters is Consciousness and understanding of reality. You are chasing the wrong thing. No! You have no comprehension of what God or Omniscience is. More Buddhist dogma. A piece of dog shit is God. But that doesn't mean you're deeply Conscious of anything. I'm well aware of what you're referring. What I'm referring to is a whole order of magnitude beyond the things you're talking about. You cannot even imagine what I am talking about because it is so radical. Simply irrelevant to Consciousness. You are full of shit and I see through all your Buddhist posturing. You haven't even begun to comprehend Consciousness. And if you keep acting in this utterly arrogant manner, you will be banned from here. You actually believe you comprehend Consciousness better than me? You're insane. You are a posterboy for the dangers of Buddhist and nondual teachings. You've turned them into a just another dream state which you now call "enlightenment". That's not Awakening, that's just a spiritual dream. I repeat: Buddhism and nonduality is not God-Realization nor Awakening. Enlightenment is dream. Since your mind is closed, I will no longer me making an effort to teach you. This is a consequence of your own mind's design. That's how you wanted it. So that's what I will give you. I am not going to teach people who refuse to listen and think they know better than me. You have not outsmarted me. You've just fooled yourself. I told you from the very beginning how much openmindedness is required for this work. You failed to learn that basic lesson. The amount of arrogance and gaslighting that I have to deal with from people like you is outrageous. You should be be ashamed of yourself. You have no respect for the sheer intelligence I offered you. I'm one of the only people on this planet who could have helped you access the highest Consciousness. But now you can go swim in the dream that you and your Buddhist friends have constructed. What I teach is not Buddhism. Because Buddhism isn't Awakening. If you don't like that then you're in the wrong place. The things I teach, no other human will teach you. It will take you a long time to appreciate that, if ever.

@Carl-Richard Yeah, that used to happen a lot before my awakening. I would really adopt the character, almost literally become it. I would think like I am in their shoes and experience what I imagine would be their emotions. It was mostly the hero, but basically any character with a great deal of story and emotions. I literally suffered for the characters. Then I awakened and consciously decided to stop this. I learned to detach myself and observe just for fun. Then I almost stopped watching entirely, cuz it stopped being fun. Now I mostly watch sitcoms, if anything at all. My latest attempt to watch something different was Naruto. And it's boring as fuck! Lol, no. But there were discussions about banning anyone that leaves OCD-triggering white spaces before each paragraph. I honestly still don't know what I want to be. I think I could be anything, depending on the environment. Like I know what I have to be and have to do, but it's not like I want that. I don't not want it either. I'm fine being a puppet for God. Haha! Yeah, I think so. Although, I don't have enough info about Jim Carrey. I don't think I've seen him in any movies yet.

@acidgoofy Sounds intense. I have been in the presence of some very awakened beings and it is profound. Once in India I had an awakened being give me a hug and the energy was so powerful afterward I had to go lay down for several hours and couldn't move.

I think it goes like “An Awakened Person”

An awakened person shows up at the therapist’s office. Therapist calls his wife and tells her, “Honey, I’d be back from therapy later.” @Thought Art @Leo Gura

In my case, I didn't know I was in an awakened state because it happened gradually. I thought I was normal and unawake because of how much people emphasize awakening as an extremely odd and supreme state with colors and visual effects and angels etc. I never got that sudden shift, or I did a few times but not in that pleasant majestic way. Then as I gradually started understanding the truth about myself, I realized that I was already there. The reason why only some experience it is because most people's practice is too weak and shallow. This is serious stuff and it requires tons of work. You can't just meditate 20 minutes a day and expect enlightenment. It's not very likely to happen that way. You need weeks and months of diligently consistent practice. It's like going to the gym. You can't expect to get very muscular if you go a couple times a month and lift 10 lbs.