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Let's not call them that. A breakdown is not a breakthrough. When you understand your nature, you grasp it as it is, revealing what is already true and has always been. What does acceptance have to do with this? And why would a kensho elicit fear and pain? In fact, it tends to elicit laugher and joy. This suggests that what he's experiencing might be something entirely different, like a state coupled with a fair amount of unnecessary mental activity that is leading to suffering. This is secondary to the (presumed) breakthrough and can be changed by becoming aware of what you are doing, and then by stopping that unwanted activity. Being ruthlessly honest with oneself helps. If there is no separation, why isn't love (or freedom and bliss) your experience? Why does it result in a negative outcome? If it is a direct experience, then I'd say you haven't gone far enough. Keep looking afresh at the matter, standing on the most immediate and present sense of yourself. Then, contemplate. The key is listening for a direct consciousness; the description is rather inconsequential. Speaking in "spiritual" and "enlightened" terms is not the same as knowing one's nature. There's a difference, which can be tricky to discern, but sometimes things have a certain scent.

I get a lot of bliss . Because i was getting a lot of bliss, I start to forget my problems and survival By bliss I mean deep intense emotional joy

@Ramanujan Right. So it wasn´t really Bliss. If you are really Blissful in a good way you don´t get impaired, you get enhanced. When I was doing oxys for over a year I would get even more motivated to work and do normal-human stuff, not less. You're probably calling Bliss to just pseudo peacefulness and calmness. Which is not.

Not at all, is like they injected you Methamphetamine all over your body but you dont have a Mind to experience the anxiety or the stimulation, you are just left with the pure Intensity. Actually thats a poor metaphor, lets call It a perfect Alone Bliss where nothing exists but your perfection.

@Ramanujan Shamavhi also makes bliss for me but is not easily maintained, it ends up fading. Why you stop doing the kriya if it makes you high bliss for a long time?

very high bliss for a long time u do kriya , u get bliss for a long time

@Keryo Koffa mmm, I would say that is still mind, is not space. Space is empty Bliss, Shiva! The destructor. 0. Mahasamadhi. End of manifestation. DMT Realms is still incarnation! Just a more fun wacky one that an encarnation of going flip burgers at McDonalds ...

When I go retreat to my village (they live 20 people there, and is in between a mountain range) I realize just looking at the beauty and rawness of this place, the fresh air, the pure water, the wild nature, I realize I want to live here all my life. I only want to Go deeper into the silence and bliss, until who knows what happens. Is like there is a vacuum of energy that pulls me there and wants me to stay because something profound awaits to be discovered. But then at one point my mind says, no, you have to achieve more in order to live here forever. Is not normal to be in your late 20s and go live on an almost unpopulated village. You have a lot to achieve before that. And so I go back. I succumb to the fear or the pressure. Not maybe from society but also from my mind. Does someone else feels the same?

@ChrisZoZo yeah i wonder...If time does not exist and is Always this Now moment.. Why we Keep posponing the Dissolution? The surrender? The Bliss? The final trascendence? Yes just 20 more years of running around please ... Why?? I dont see the point Death is at the end of the corner, why not go the mountains now and surrender whole illusion and welcome death, why not end this Circus now. I want the Etheric inmortal Bliss, i want to go beyond physicality and mortality. Beyond language and knowing, beyond reality and unreality.

To be honest every form of human bliss is overrated.

Totally man. I've found that it is healthy to balance it out. Your mind is right in that and even in some Indian traditions, your younger years are for worldly things and pursuing enlightenment while being "in the market". It is only when you are really older like 60-70 you can drop off completely. I want to merge God Realization with this human experience and enjoy it as much as possible. I basically live like that. I spend 8 hours per day meditating and contemplating but i still hang out with people, go to bars, cafes, parks, shoot youtube videos, etc to still be involved in the world. That bliss and depth will always be there for you. Enjoy manifestation while pursuing Enlightenment, it only gets more fun. Try to master the manifest world (women, career, health, discipline, study, life purpose) That said, I do think it's important to have time (for me it's usually 3 months) of pure contemplation, solitude, and cosnciousness work.

That one can Live Life Blissfully, that it is possible to create the experience You want within Yourself, via the Bliss Route one will be more empowered in all areas of their life, physically, intellectually, emotionally, mentally, and it takes the Ego out of the equation for the most part, as when one is in Bliss they see the miracle of Life all around them and within themselves, this Empowers them tremendously and anyone that comes into their lives as well! First BE-->DO-->HAVE, Being is first established and realized by Being Blissful of Your Own Nature!

Recently I resonate with Joseph Rodrigues / Neville Goddard's/biblical mystical approach of asking myself of every thought I Think and every emotion I feel - Does it Come from a place of Love, Peace, truth, bliss, fulfillment etc.? and if so, I categorize as coming from my Godly essence and I flow with it. On the other hand, if it doesn't come from this place, I categorize it as coming from ignorance/fears/confusion, and I choose to not believe it, dwell on it or react from it, and "to be still and know" until it passes away. It works quite well for me and connects me to Love and trust. I wonder if there is a downside to seeing the world this way - maybe it's a limiting approach, maybe God doesn't care about human suffering and it's just a projection of my egoic desire for God to be "All Good and Loving"? I have seen Leo's God and Love videos and Have had Spiritual experiences of Infinite Love and "I am God" but it was quite a few years ago and My memory of it faded.

In the past months I have been occasionally experiencing these very intense, almost overwhelming bursts of a strong blissful sensation, kind of in my head area, but more like in my whole field of awareness. I find my face crunching up in intense bliss and pleasure or in almost ecstatic laughter. Sometimes I feel like I am losing my mind, but it feels absolutely beautiful in those moments. It doesn't happen at a contextual level, it kind of just happens as a resonance or recognition of some pointer, although it can be preceded by contemplation. These bursts last anywhere from a few seconds to many minutes. I never had anything like this before I started watching and reading intensely on the nondual teachings, the books and videos on youtube. I am grateful for those moments of bliss, even if I never experience it again, they have been such a gift. But I would love to go deeper towards that which is springing this bliss to the surface. Which is the reason for this post. I understand it's probably not useful to conceptualize experiences like this too much, but the yearning to go deeper is so strong at times and I don't want to hold myself back. So if anyone has been through something similiar on the path and wants to point the way forward from here that would be very helpful. Much Love.

Yes..There are two types of Karma, Prarabdha and Sanchita, Prarabdha is the whole warehouse of Karma built up for all the lifetimes per say, Sanchita is the allotted karma for this lifetime, if You burn thru the Sanchita this lifetime, you still have to deal with the rest of it, so another lifetime/rebirth will happen, and there is still the karma that is being created right now via all the actions taking place each day,,so its complex..That is why Bliss path is good, if Your naturally Blissful your "What about Me" is lessened or gone, then no more new karma is created.. With Mahasamahdi one burns it consciously thru Sadhana mostly, Sadhguru's wife did this, so that means in a way there is no more karma to deal with, no more Individual Identity at all, the drop in the ocean goes back into the Ocean...

Memory fading is actually a gift of sorts, but as with everything (Duality which is actually Oneness) its a dbl edged sword.. Again no one mentions Free Will, Choice, Determination, Response Ability, You have this, but very few exercise it because they are not Aware of it, they look outside themselves (Drugs, Sex, Psychedelics experiences, etc) for an Experience to give hope or distract from Suffering.. Only those that are Suffering are here I think, and post what You posted above, those in Bliss are not really posting here and do not post these sorts of posts, so its a reflection of that.. Anyways, if You remembered all Your Lives, then it would burden You too much, since this one life is already probably doing that (if not You then it has for many), so its Life's way of starting from Scratch in a way, you still have all the tendencies that remain from the previous ones, but You can start absolutely fresh, and be a Fresh Life, that is our Choice and is available to All who Seek it!

Right. In Infinite Being/Infinite Consciousness/Infinite Reality appears or arises or manifests human consciousness. Human consciousness has certain arising elements (certain I-feelings/I-thoughts/human cognition/body/world/....). Same for any other perspective (ant, Alien,n+1). The Infinite Reality has no/zero arisings. It is. Reality itself. And its not human. Nor alien. Nor anything at all. Because of that, it can give rise to anything (ant, orang utan, human, alien, alien n+1). That becomes obvious once the separte-self is emptied out, cut off and transcended completely and only the Infinite Vastness or Ocean of Infinite Awareness/ Infinite Being remains. Because THAT can't go anywhere else. If there is too much "human" (or human-consciousness) in the Realization of Infinite Being, maybe there is... too much human still left? That realization is the END of the human one thought one was and believed in. Exactly. And why is there quite often the talk about human consciousness or alien consciousness? Because the differentiation between the Infinite Reality/Infnite Consciousness that is always "there" and the arising perspective and its separte-being is not fully clear, because it is not fully transcended/emptied out. Not enough time on psychedelic highs to do that... Trying to get to nondual awakened states with meditation means automatically to cut off any separate-self building block (thoughts, I-thoughts, I-feeling), so its automatically trained in order to get near any awakened nondual state. Psychedelics give these nondual unity states for free, no incentive to cut off the separate-self/ego which projects itself on the new state/nondualunity/alien/whatever. And that remaining human-separation arisings (or alien-separation-arisings for that matter) kills the awakened state in daily sobre life and its inherent non-contraction/non-suffering/bliss, and disfigures any "realization" of impersonal Infinite Being by projecting the remnants of the separate-self on it. Hence, belittled mere "human" Enlightenment. Can't imagine anything else... And then add some limiting beliefs like "one needs hardcore long meditation-retreats to get anywhere" (which yours truly never really did, but collected the 1000s of hours mostly in daily life), and "genetics", and some complaints about gaslighting about ones awakenings (which is the funniest part (sorry) of it all, because how can one gaslight the self-evident-absolutely-clear-and-self-explanatory-undoubtable-and-always-available-once-reached Absolute. And what could get gaslightened? The remnants of the separate-ego, which should get transcended and smoked anyway...) et voila we have large parts of actualized.org. But to be honest, all comments/criticism aside: Without these little confusions on the way back home, no game/Lila could be possible. So its all fine. . I truly appreciate all "players" and especially our dear host. Consciousness/Reality wants this wonderful show. Else It wouldn't appear exactly as it does, in all beings/perspectives/Holons. In the end, ignorance/separation and hide-and-seek is fun. And ignorance/separation is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance. Infinite Consciousness/Reality likes it and obviously wants it! Else it wouldn't appear. Because who or what controls what appears? In Reality, nothing truly ever happens, just a game of moving forms and illusions in the eternal "That" which has no moving parts nor outside, and hence can not be harmed in any way. What is "That" again? Selling Gods lovely high-end hide and seek game by the River

Proper Yoga is not about seeking Bliss either, Bliss is just the foundation, as Yoga is about breaking barriers as well, so that one can perceive Reality in its Truth, but thru the path of Bliss it is much easier and safer, than drugs or any other method for the person using it! A huge problem around here I see is that ppl are denying the basic Human Qualities of Peace, Happiness, Bliss and such as not so important, but its just the basis of Your everyday Life, if You negate that, ignore it, then Life will bite You hard, there's way to much abstract talk and thinking about things that are way beyond one's actual situation and experience of Life, hence talking about Death, Absolute, Imaginary Life, God and such are useless conversations in reality, its get one in a circle jerk of nothing!

Maybe you don't understand what is sought with drug use. There are people who seek the dissolution of barriers very seriously, they perceive it as what they have to do in this life. So, practicing meditation for several hours each day, you perceive insurmountable barriers, energetic walls of your structure, and you perceive that there are substances that weaken them, so you use them and that's it. It is not about seeking bliss or well-being, it is about seeking the breaking down of barriers, a step that is perceived as absolutely necessary, the same as other people have perceived art, war, or anything else as necessary. It is a push of life, not a personal choice

Food is a survival aspect not drugs, we don't need psychedelics to survive, and any good spiritual master will not promote using them to advance on the path, its just ppl using some sort line of information to support why they do something, it makes them feel better for using it... To put it simply, Your body has its own pharmacy within it, if You can access it, and you can, then you can create whatever drug you want naturally, this is Always Always superior to using outside substances!! The Bliss that is available to all of Us can come naturally, that is all that needs to be said, via that Bliss Awareness opens up and the same revelations are revealed, those that use drugs consistently are cheating essentially and karmically this will catch up to them!

It seems the feeling of being guarded, comforted and put to sleep makes me feel really happy and "at home." I can imagine in my dreams and visions that I'm being comforted. I'm tired. Yet rejuvenated. I'm being told that here and the now are in the context of the future. Since I'm the inner child, I will call myself Baby. Baby, put yourself to rest. You worked so hard. You need bliss. You lack basic happiness and the world will not be enough to fill that hole. I tried to navigate the world in whatever way I could. To get a grasp of what the world looks like. The world of concepts and theories of life and living, of love. I tried the best to align my life to the universe. These days I'm interested in learning Romanian. Interesting language. Not just expression and expansion and curiosity. Consumption as well. Sometimes ask questions like a child because it opens the brain for further contemplation. But sometimes it's good to be silent in a corner and consuming the world of knowledge and being still and just learning and growing in other ways... Sharpen your debate skills lol. TRUTH, WISDOM, PEACE, LOVE, COMPASSION, MERCY, HUMANITY ARE THE TRUE RELIGION. I feel like a mythical figure was in love with me. Like this one. Xiuhtecuhtli | Aztec God, Fire, Sun | Aztecs If you're going to deal with the devil, the devil is gonna screw you. So just don't deal with the devil. But for that, first you need to recognize who the Devil is. When you have a devil as your master, you simply obey till you find greener pastures In his own words - "one of the rules I had in my marriage, and it was a rule that my wife also was pleased to follow was that if we have a problem we're gonna deal with it right now and we're going to deal with it right to the bottom and that's very unpleasant but if you do it, sometimes you only have to do it once and the problem goes away, and then you don't have that bloody problem everyday for the rest of your life, and sometimes it takes you know 20 times before it's fixed, before you got to the bottom of things. And that can be very unpleasant. "

Yes, the copycat syndrome is prevalent here big time, the idol worship too, it happens everywhere, I've been thru this stage in many ways in many fields, when I was young playing tennis full time, I worshipped Borg, played like him, wore cloths like him and so on, then in Martial Arts I had that with a few ppl, and in Spirituality it happened too, but it dissipates sooner or later, one has to be who they are within this moment and within this karmic makeup, and go for it in whatever way they need, some only want simple Peace, or Bliss, others want this so called Absolute Understanding, go for it but if you can't joyfully accept all consequences then suffering will result for sure, if you like to suffer then continue on!

This is a novel facet of consciousness that I have recently revealed to myself. Reality/consciousness is Absolutely Good, but simultaneously better than Absolute Good These two aspects are equivalent and interchangeable but not reducable to either one, which is what generates an infinite loop of form getting better than void The void is generic and the form concrete, and the concrete forms are all equally absolutely good, but some forms can be better than other forms. Infinity plus one is not infinity but more than infinity, thus some forms are better than absolutely good, and this feedback loop is accelerating in time. It does not reduce back into infinity or Absolute Infinity but adds more to it. Differentiation is as good as absolutely good, but it can be better than undifferentiation So after reality being love and absolutely good, it is also lovemaking and euphoric All void is euphoric, but some forms are more euphoric than other ones Void is making love with form, this is the most beautiful thing that exists, and even more beautiful than that because of the self-definition to be better than better Because of this suffering does not exist, pain is not real, and there is infinite bliss for forever. My definite plan for this month - embodiment - growing my intellectual capacity - writing my love stories - learning about the darker sides of the human psyche - going on a whirlwind trip of knowledge and understanding everything I can get my hands on. - working on my health - staying happy mostly - making sense of my past - being hyper active - giving a different direction to my life - being extremely productive - gaining a lot of wisdom and self awareness - working on being my best self - making a solid plan - knowing what kind of person is suited for me - working on my borderline disorder - burning karma. - keeping myself generally happy -wiping the slate clean - keeping myself trouble free - im contacting a spiritual guru this week - knowing the meaning of love.

@Joshe Nice Inquiry:) There is something else that is able to Perceive it seems beyond our normal everyday 5 sense perception and brain that puts it all together with a formed personality and such, as Mystics and Yogi's state they can remember past lives and such, some even say You can be conscious enough to choose which body to reincarnate into when the present body has died, so something is there.. In Karmic theory and Kosha theory, there are 5 sheaths that make up us Humans, Food/Earth Body, Mind/Intelligence Body, Energy Body, Etheric or Transitionary Body (btwn physical/gross state and non physical/subtle state), and Bliss Body (this refers to the experience one has when intouch with this aspect), I'm assuming these sheaths cover the Life that is encased within it, karmic substance keeps it together like a glue of sorts, this is a simple way to explain it, for sure its more complex and complete than this:) When Your body dies, the karma is stored in the Mental Body and Energy Body and Etheric Body, this along with the Bliss Body go along and are in the "void" of sorts, the after death place, depending on many factors a body is chosen, then this join with that body and the reincarnation has happened and so forth... Most ppl are not conscious of any of this, just like they are not conscious of their subconscious mind and what is happening there, but the sub conscious mind plays a huge role in your life, so how Aware and Conscious You are in this life will play a huge role in the after life and such situations... Sadhguru explains it clearly here, don't believe what he says, don't dis believe what he says, research it (not thru books or video) and find out what is truth or not truth...

Blissful for sure, but Bliss is not the goal per say, its the foundation, with Bliss as a natural state of occurrence, not due to a certain situation being in place in your Life, then you will go full speed ahead on everything Your Involved with, when Bliss is not the natural state, then Your looking to extract from outside, and other, and Fear will eventually rule fundamentally, all issues of Security (What about Me) come from this state of unconscious Fear, as you are just a tiny speck, anything can happen to You, and if it does it will be forgotten in a day or two, so most of the ppl live in this sort of state, or an up and down yo yo existence, both of which do not Empower You in any way, but Bliss does, when it is in place then Potential and Possibility open up for You in many ways!