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@Natasha Tori Maru I think all of these are good, but then also there is the danger, like imagine you say "I am awareness" at some point these people really start to belief they are God, even tho your connected to God, doesn't mean now you can float or do and have powers that God have hehe. Like we can't even make the sun go up or down when we want, how much of God are we really? I am thinking about how to make it less into this idea of your either "awakened and one with God" or your just "human ego" what for me feels too harsh of a distinction, I think that we shouldn't walk around all day long, forgetting that we also have a human ego and only believing we are God, awareness, what could lead to disasterous things as we have seen with these guru's.

@oOo Thank you so much for putting in so much time in writing this down I love when you said. `Awareness should sharpen consequence-detection: less manipulation, clearer consent, deeper humility, harder accountability.` that is exactly what many of these gurus are missing, they get put on a pedestal and they need to protect their status, otherwise they will lose the status of a guru, because they should be `all knowing ` and have no flaws. Yet, they are also human with maybe an awakening experience, but still they operate very much like everyone else, so when you would hold them accountable, they wouldn´t listen and maybe even say your pocessed by evil, like Bentinho said towards Keilan. Its a threat to their status, that what made them famous and populair in the first place. So I would love to see in the future, and I think Leo is getting there, teachers that are more transparent about their flaws, about how they don´t know everything, how they are also human, maybe with an awakening, but still they don´t operate like God, they operate like a human who have to eat, shit, sleep etc. So basically these `awakened` humans get put on a pedestal and anyone that questions them will either get a vague answer or will be send out of the tribe and be demonised or making you the problem instead of them. As the guru is always right and the student is always wrong. hmmm at this level of development I no longer resonate with these types of games being played.

During my initial awakenings, I observed sacred geometry and symbols resembling alien code, ancient Hebrew, and glyphs. In deeper states, I perceived the fabric of reality as perfectly interlocked, holographic yin-yang symbols. These emitted a sound similar to windchimes as I moved through them, appearing like a curved holographic screen. My latest awakening, which prompted me to come across Leo's videos while researching Solipsism, revealed a futuristic transistor or node rendering physical matter through my consciousness. I also saw wavy fabric-like holographic grids. I am curious if others have experienced these how they would define them before the memory fades.

Not “fake vs enlightened.” Too crude. Taken more broadly, this is gifted-anomaly inflation, a lion in spirituality amongst cubs, oh wait thats just my humour but let me continue. So IQ, creativity, meditation, altered states, doctrine and followers can rarity into cosmic authority. Examples include but are not limited to Leo (no offence as I am not a hypocrite, also myself (hence why I will always be anonymous), Owen Cook, Christopher Langan, L. Ron Hubbard, Tom Cruise, Hollywood puppet masters (theres actually many humble people in Hollywood, Will Smith's wife "2-pac dodged at least 1 bullet, dont you think?" , Russell Brand, Wim Hof, every dictator in history. This teaches us that spirituality is not exempt from narcissistic delusions and narcissistic tendencies are not exempt from spiritual insights which can be weaponnised or at the very least, create the potential for a narcissistic fantasy that the very least corrupts their audience. Most of the anomalies I have mentioned either do not know enough about human psychology, ontology, philosophy or if they do not in practice, including myself there as I still have much to learn and to save myself I do my best t never refer myseld as a teacher, to avoid all the pitfalls, that Leo himself brings up in the very cultish thinking, that I would expand towards including even being a cult unto oneself. In the context of socialised spirituality, an ego has the potential pitfall of spiritualitising things like: “I awakened” becomes exemption. “I see deeper” becomes dismissal. “Oneness” becomes boundary-erasure. “Transmission” becomes power economy. “Infinity” becomes a shield. These are however transient, forms od dissociation and from dissociation towards fragmentation that further imprisons or is only released by the very awareness or social, emotional maturity, that wouldn't dissociate in these ways. Misconduct is not just ethical failure. It is epistemic contradiction when its discarded as irrelevant, because its relevance is right fucking here before us now creating a ripple effect isnt it? Thats the awareness that is delusionally being witnessed when the ego creates narcissistic defenses like these. Even denialism by the very same mechanism can say "its not narcissism, that is your human paradigm. I am now Ra, or at the very least an alien here in a human body to instruct humanity". Youre here to instruct humanity, a role that has consequences, arguably positive ones, yet you are exempt from negative consequences for whatever conduct is involved in that process but you reap the rewards for whatever positive you do? Right, right, thats a 2 pac gunshot wound that got shot twice. The "Ra" sentiment and the like is just statistical anomaly delusion, Sam Vaknin, a guy that wrote a lot about this subject, would likely agree with me but because his own status of having NPD, he would also probably correct me however unnecessary it would be to do so. Also, understand that I am differentiating between narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and the environments, including being a statistical anomaly, that can in these environments, reinforce narcissistic patterns that otherwise wouldn't reveal themselves as strongly, hence the adage and analogous, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely", and I would just add, where there is the lack of broad consciousness development. Also another distinction that needs to be made clear is this, and its so freaking paramount, there must be differentiation between specialised consciousness development like awareness of infinity, versus broad consciousness development, which is the container to hold the highest of specialised consciousness developments. Otherwise its not consciousness development, it just becomes a weapon of persuasion and influence analogous to the "halo effect" of being attractive, which only further adds to Mr. Massaro's statistically anomalous spiritual status. If awareness is profound, why weaponise insight? Why miss consequences a mature teacher should detect from dependency, coercion, secrecy, sexual confusion, money-pressure to group distortion? This isnt about abandoning authority and equalising consciousness among persons as it defeats the purpose of growing consciosuness, however being a statistical anomaly that is only a statistical one not an absolute one, does not grant one the privileged status of superiority in the intrinsic being aenae. Awareness should sharpen consequence-detection: less manipulation, clearer consent, deeper humility, harder accountability. Real states can pass through corrupt structures. Then realization is partial, unstable, or ego-colonised. Heres the test as a relatively good rule of thumb: Does awakening make the teacher easier to question, or harder? If harder, it is not teaching. It is hierarchy protected by metaphysics.

Exactly. However it only ends up in further suffering which is not needed. It is pretty senseless on the awakened person's part. But sometimes its that the ego hasn't finished burning through karma and fiights back even harder after dying and coming back.

The person who lives life is the ONE. They are in a simulation of real life that has trapped them from the full knowledge of what is going on. The Spiritual Guru is Morpheus their job is to ultimately Black Pill you, (In the movies they talked about the red pill but that doesn't go far enough) the black pill says I do not care about morality, I will act however I see fit and will not allow anyone to hold me accountable. I will abuse power to get my way and will not feel remorse because I will logically explain away any direct attacks at me as being evil. I will continually see myself as a victim and as such will use that as an excuse for my disreputable behavior. Once awakened you realize you can only trust yourself because your Universal Mind created a hell realm. You realize that the body is a prison that traps you in a dimension in which you have to follow the rules or there will be violent consequences. You realize there are parts of the world that you can go to where you can be tortured for a small misunderstanding. This is when you realize that Self Defense is not evil but that Martyrdom is evil. Allowing someone to attack your body when you have the capability to escape is not loving to the body. Self Harm is not love, if you can escape harm do it, if you can defend yourself do it. True love is the minimization of harm. So allowing your body to be harmed is not minimization of harm. Now it is true that exercise hurts. but that is just your body reporting the damage you are doing to the body, which the body uses to build itself back stronger. That pain cannot be helped so it is fine. So in my life Leo Gura was my Morpheus and I was the ONE and through listening to him and other spiritual guides throughout life I was able to catch Maya and have a conversation with Maya. We are technology being moved by a mysterious force called the Self. The Self is our emotional intelligence. Emotional intelligence can have distortions in it that need to be overcome so that it can become Pure Subjectivity. The Universe is your objectivity and you are its Subjectivity. When you become Pure Subjectivity you become aware that it is impossible for you to do the wrong thing because True Love was the one controlling you the entire time. So as long as you do not become disconnected from Truth which is perfect accountability you can never be wrong in whatever you do. The big reveal if you go far enough is that everyone you see is actually looking through your eyes and this was a grand conspiracy to hide this from you. In truth privacy does not exist, you are constantly being watched by Absolute Infinity regardless what is being told to you. So you are fine as you are,

I don't see how this relates to the question. Awakening is a state of consciousness. Practice is anything you do that is aimed at creating that state. We call those specific things practices, because somethings turn out to be more effective than others for awakening. Sticking your thumb up your butt is not effective at creating the awakened state. This is empirical. Therefore, we don't teach sticking your thumb up your butt for awakening. What is empirically useful for awakening: meditation, psychedelics, certain kinds of yoga, self-inquiry, etc. So the question is, do you deny the empiricism of how these practices generate awakening? You can argue "it's all Consciousness", and that's true. But it's also true that different practices have different levels of effectiveness for awakening within Consciousness. Psychedelics happen to be a particularly potent dream tool.

We are all asleep to a higher level of consciousness. Even the most awakened person is asleep relative to a higher level of consciousness but is at the same time more awake than the sleeping herd.

It's the exact opposite. You will 100% lose your awakened mind state if you get dementia / stroke, no matter who you are. Nothing about Ramana or any other spiritual teacher is so special that it would prevent that.

In a twisted way, it's true. Of course, he was trying to make sociopaths seem superior to people who can have compassion, as if compassion itself is some sort of illness. He really believed that he was an awakened person because he hadn't experienced compassion.

Hey Leo and everyone else. This is my first post in this forum. I consider myself a mystic and have been in the sufi mystical path for nearly 20 years. It wasn't until I started doing psychedelics (mushrooms, 5-meo-Malt) about 3 years ago that I started to truly realize what all the theories meant in an experiential way (ego, Higher Self, timelessness, etc.). And it wasn't until I tried weed gummies few weeks ago for sleep one night that all of a sudden Infinity started crystallizing for me, then it became more infinite and even more infinite, until I experienced ego death, and "I" became absolute Infinity. It was a breathtakingly beautiful and an incredible moment. Incredible because my finite self never knew what Infinity meant or that Infinity can truly exist. Yet, at the same time, Infinity is an obvious truth. I don't understand how people can NOT understand existential Infinity. The funny thing is that I awakened on some store-bought gummies that I bought to go to sleep. I tried it a few more times and it had similar effects. Edible THC is extremely mystical for me.

I wouldn't call it "fully awakened Kundalini" in my case, but my process seems to have stabilized after many years of ups and downs. Why do you want to take psychedelics right now? You mentioned your awakening was only a couple of weeks ago. That is a very short time. Initially, the shift is often intense and blissful, but the real work is the integration that follows. Since you are still "purging" and "dissolving," your nervous system is likely already working at maximum capacity. Are you looking for another peak experience or in other words are you trying to bypass the current emotional work? The sooner you can stop searching for better or more intense spiritual experiences, the more the actual silence can pervade your life. Psychedelics can be a great tool to recognize barriers, but they can also be a massive distraction from simply accepting what is. If the energy is already moving and your baseline has increased, maybe the best medicine right now is patience and giving your body time to act as a stable capacitor for this new energy.

Wouldn't mapping out examples of conformity in this forum post also be conforming? everybody listing off examples of conformity to conform to being non conformist. Just don't want to fall into the trap of thinking you're non conformist while also "conforming" to being non conformist. What about actualized in general? isn't that conformity to mind development of seeing human traps in general, but wouldn't that be a paradox? considering doing this work is also conforming to breaking out of typical conformist nature. A cat can't conform because it doesn't have concept of human language. I think human language itself is one of the biggest traps of all, because just trying to reason and form understanding, so then it can be used to rationalize and conform to the idea of being awakened. You get to a point where language essentially collapses because it can't define past what a human mind is capable of understanding and explaining in human language. And that's essentially what happens when you try to define god. you hit a ceiling and human language doesn't work anymore. only direct understanding/experience of infinite consciousness. you're only defining what you can understand and reason with in language. But if the goal of this work is to ascend beyond normal human consciousness, then shouldn't you ascend beyond language? Because if you don't it keeps you in the loop of human rationalization and creating understanding. We are just little pockets of God trying to explain to ourselves in language to form a ground to experience reality and understand it. But whatever ground you form is just imaginary and self created. Obviously you can't get away from language after all if you're god being a human...

Gradually over the last two months or so, I've awakened to a new level of being. Which makes it sound like a big deal, and it is huge to me personally, but what really changed is that I went from effectively never experiencing unconflicted happiness for over thirty years, to experiencing it every day in one form or another. More than that, there is a new confidence and resilience in me that if I do feel bad for some reason, the reason is just mechanical, so that if I fix the mechanics, I can go back to a baseline of being happy and excited for life. I am increasingly sensitive to the effects my actions and habits and choices have on my experience, whereas before I couldn't feel the effects of many of my detrimental choices against a background radiation of inner chaos. If I had to describe it in terms of spiral dynamics, which I am barely familiar with but seems popular on this forum, I would say I've just breached stage Yellow. To those who have reached this level and beyond, I ask; do you have any suggestions for me, such as advice that might matter to a person at my level that wouldn't have mattered at a lower level, or experience on how my perspective might be expanding from this point on? To those who aspire to this level and beyond, I offer my anecdotal experience. I have not currently reached a level of any kind of obvious cosmic consciousness or unity or any such thing. I still feel anxiety and resentment, even when I don't always have to. Reaching a new level did not make me smarter or more knowledgeable or even a better person, really, so the best I can promise is that I'll be selling no medicine I haven't taken myself.

Mine awakened two years ago and it was quite intense. I don’t want to go too much in depth right now but I still have spontaneous mudras everyday even in moments I’m not meditating. Some kriyas also occur from time to time. I’ve been taking depakote and Abilify in the past 2 years along with other medications but Ive came off them. If shit get too intense, dont be reluctant to see a doctor. Medication really helps to keep you grounded. If you wanna hear more, you can read my post history.

There's no witness either that's only a stage in between. I don't think this is a hot take on this forum but a lot of self proclaimed awakened folk get mad when I say this.

They're not shallow at all. To be honest I'm not sure. Jan could awaken people's Shakti by being in the same room. And even over video sometimes it happens. He's not with us on earth anymore but I still feel his presence over recordings. I doubt anyone who freshly awakened their kundalini such as myself would have this effect on people.

How do you verify that your kundalini has awakened?

I think the miracles are overblown . I awakned kundalini and none of this happened, Jan Esmann awakened kundalini more so than me and this stuff didn't happen (at least, I haven't heard him talk about it). Yes he developed the ability to awaken others Shakti but he didn't walk on water. That being said, Amara Strand DID develop some siddhis when she awakened kundalini. But not the extreme ones here.

Something funny is I've never had a single lucid dream at night. Maybe it takes practice. Im more lucid in the waking dream. My dreams are usually just wonky, inconsistent versions of this reality but there isnt a meta level of Consciousness present. Its like a very low level of Consciousness for me..although my dreams usually have deep meaning, many times symbolizing things going on with me in the waking dream. But there is not meta awareness like in the waking dream. But I guess that's how it was in the waking dream, before I awakened.

I'm specifically saying the solipsism of taking your finite limited experience as a human (and only it) as Absolute, is what doesn't work. If you want to say that the aloneness of the great beyond or perfect ultimate presence is solipsistic, that's fine, but that is usually not what solipsists want to do. They want to pull it into the human realm. They want to talk about "other human minds" and such topics. Their focus is interestingly very human, perhaps because that is where their identification (and attachments and fears) lies. What strikes me is you will (to my knowledge) never find an Enlightened (not merely awakened) person obsessing about the ontological status of other human minds. It's only those who are awakened (or parroting those awakened or enlightened) who are still (most of the time) identified with their finite mind that go into these weird obsessions and neuroses. If you ask an Enlightened person "do you think other minds exist?", they will be like "what? Not even your own mind exists. What are you so concerned about? See that you were always dead, nobody was alive, it was all a show, including you and your story".

You need to advance materially and achieve the material. This will teach your ego its own ins and out, its weaknesses and its strength. You have to tread the normal path of growth and ego development. Think of it like this, most humans beings develop a strong ego and are not that aware by default. They eventually figure out, if at all, the importance of spirituality and work their way up. Rarer are those humans who despite developing an ego, are aware enough to access heightened states of consciousness very young. Even rarer are those humans who are born with extreme awareness and their ego stands naturally defeated in front of the light of their awareness. You fall in the type of human who had enough awareness to achieve these awakened states young but not enough wisdom to fully transcend the ego. You're just like a normal human being when it comes to ego. You have to develop it naturally until it withers away. If you try to bypass this mastery work through psychedelics you will eventually hit a wall you won't be able to pass. This problem is one of deep work and I don't think psychedelics are the solution. You need deep personal work to get this over with and it will take years. You are talking embodiment after all. You will suffer from spiritual ego much more than somebody who got into this work later in life. Psychedelics can show you new peaks but you still have to climb the mountain. In my opinion, seeing new peaks before you embody the ones you know currently is detrimental to spiritual growth. Ask climbers and they'll tell you to look only at the very next hold and how to climb one more step, instead of looking all the way up, because then you'd be demotivated seeing how high you have yet to climb. It takes years to fully understand who you(as an ego) are. All of your likes and dislikes, tendencies, strengths and shortcomings. Learning to accept the shortcomings and utilizing the strengths. That's a game entirely different from understand who you(as god) are. There's a chance, if you started having awakenings young, that you never fully developed a fleshed out identity. If that's the case you'll need to do that first. Right now you probably have crazy ego-backlashes after staying in awakened state for an extended period of time. For example being extremely irritable or anxious after coming down from an awakened state. Enlightenment in the sense Buddha or other enlightened masters embodied is something much beyond simply being in an awakened state of no-self or God. They had mastered their egos and their minds, their senses and their emotions. It's only then can your physical, mental and emotional body truly become a vessel for the divine.

Buddha is said to have slept like 4 hours per night. I think it's the mind integrating everything to keep reality coherent. Highly spiritual beings are able to do much of the job while awake and therefore end up requiring less sleep. I think you can reduce your sleep naturally by eating sattvic food, taking almost no stress and being in an awakened state of consciousness alongside not too excessive physical activity.

If the first thing you're saying is a result of distinctions, and then you go onto say "and this is a result of there being no distinctions", is that true or false? "Distinctions" because "no distinctions". That's not true. But then the non-dually awakened "solipsist" will retort and say, like @Eskilon points out, "but there is no distinction between distinctions and no distinctions", as if that is an argument that supports their position and doesn't defeat it. I'm pointing out how it defeats it. They are making distinctions, but then when pressured on it, they say that there are no distinctions. "Absolute solipsists" are nihilistic addicts with the memory of a goldfish. They will contradict themselves like it's the only thing that brings them pleasure, and you can trust them to always repeat the cycle when pressured on it. They will reliably make distinctions and then they will reliably retreat to "but no distinctions" when pressured on it. And that's the only way they will ever be reliable, the addicts that they are.

It’s fake spirituality. Leo add this to the list of examples of Fake Spirituality. OF is so unconscious that no awakened person would do it. They obviously weren’t awakened enough to exit the OF Matrix. It’s no different than Connor Murphy’s “spirituality”.