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I’ve noticed that a lot of religions seem to say that if someone dies by suicide something worse happens than if they just die normally. Like in Christianity people talk about going to hell, in Buddhism some people say it can lead to a worse rebirth, etc. or just rebirth Do you think there’s actually some truth behind that? Or do you think religions mainly added those ideas to scare people away from doing it? @Leo Gura just curious about what you and everyone here think about that

This was a reason Shakespeare's hamlet didn't jump to his death to commit suicide - Wether it is better to endure the pains and injustices of the human condition or risk the unknown of what happens after

Isn’t life and death a duality that collapses? I’m not sure suicide solves anything.

I'm not afraid what happens after since my personal research and spiritual insights point to heavenly realms and unconditional love as the ground of being on the other side - What prevents me from committing suicide is the brain damage and survival worse off if it fails and once you attempt to end the body you can't control the outcome - Also there is the problem of spirit guides or Christ conciosuenss avatars in the astral realms that could possibly dictate what happens to you next and force you back into another life or body or to come back in the broken body you tried to exit but honestly I want to bitch slap the spirit guides and get answers what the fuck is going on

I want out - Like if I'm infinite god intelligence then where is the exit button or do I have to commit suicide - spiritual teachers love to say oh you are awareness of the dream character, you are not the identity being played, but you are the conciosuness making this happen, and they say I am god and yet they do not explain how to wake up from this dream - I want out - Government assisted suicide should be legalzied for all time periods and cultures of human history and civilizations - I hate life.

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Depends on how you do it. Most people who suicide do it out of anger or fear or sadness. Well if you have those and take the headset off those emotions compound x 1000000. Then when you put the headset back on there you are in the same state and the world will reflect that. People think that suicide will help them somehow releive their emotional and mental problems. Your emotions are before all your theories linguistical problems. Take the linguistics away and the emotions are still there. Only now you cant stop yourself and think them through. You cant actually kill yourself. People that try are trying to run from something they cant get away from even in death. The headset is there as a vehicle to change your states as God. Once in God mode you cant change your state you are the state.

See? Here is your poof. But I still recommend getting a life than playing such games in your adulthood. In teenage it is understandable. For me, it helped me go over the hardest period of my life. I suffered from very severe social anxiety due to trauma from bullying. I am happy that I chose WoW over heroin or gambling, or suicide. I basically never met a person who did so much positive change in their life. A person like me should be dead by now or severely crippled mentally. But here I am, stable and strong, thanks to some crutches that helped for some time. 🙂

When you become God, you realize there is no difference between life and death. The only difference is that during life you're constrained to survive your organism, otherwise you die. When you become insane, you can willingly choose to surrender the survival of your oraganism, and choose suicide, which is escaping the hallucination of your own organism, and existing eternally as God.

Fair points. Though I would imagine misandry does have a non-nominal impact on male suicide. But I don't know.

@Ulax Yes, I agree that not every man has more power than every woman. If a NEET man is dehumanized by a rich white woman simply because of his status, then this is class-based hatred. This is why poor people hating rich people is not the same as rich people hating on poor people. There are certainly toxic women, or women with various personality disorders, who can traumatize their male child or partner severely, but they usually treat women the same way. It is hard to tell whether they are harmful because of misandry or simply because they are antisocial, narcissistic, psychopathic, or have other mental health issues. I don't deny that some men may end up committing suicide due to misandry, but how common is it? Maybe they feel romantically rejected, which is not misandry.

@Ulax Men not being allies to women in the fight against systemic misogyny is a relevant point. If they have more power in society and are selfish, then why would feminists, who have less power in society, fight for a minor issue that a more powerful group suffers from that does not even have a significant negative effect on them? If misogyny is like a common disease with a major negative impact on people's lives, then misandry is not a common disease and has little impact. This is why misogyny is a systemic issue while misandry isn't. Just because something exists doesn't mean that it is a systemic issue. Many bad things exist, but not every bad thing is systemic. There are Black people who hate White people, but this is not a systemic issue. White people's lives are not systematically affected by this, they still have their human rights, privileges, and protection by the system. However, while feminists don't directly address misandry, feminists do question the narrow gender roles imposed by patriarchy on both men and women. Masculinity according to patriarchy, is defined not by what it is, but by what it is not: femininity. Men are expected by patriarchy to repress their femininity, emotions, and vulnerability and to adhere to narrow standards of masculinity, which is not sustainable for healthy human beings. Especially when it comes to building healthy relationships, even a healthy relationship with oneself. Men commit suicide not because of a random encounter with a misandrist woman, but because they don't have permission to be whole human beings who express feelings, seek help, and so on. Their shame comes from actually having feelings and a feminine side that doesn't fit patriarchal expectations of men. This is what I believe to be the case. Women are not only angry about the men who directly abused them, but also about the men who silently protect those men, ignore their misbehaviour, don't call them out, justify them, or do nothing. And it doesn't mean that they are angry at every individual male for existing. They are angry at men as a group with shared patterns. Of course there are exceptions, but most men are compliant with the system, either actively or silently, overtly or covertly, even normal and “nice” men. There is the case of Gisèle Pelicot, a French woman who was married to a seemingly normal man for many years. They were close partners. However, he drugged her for years and raped her when she was unconscious. Not only that, he invited men he contacted through the internet to rape her and filmed it. She wasn't aware of it and discovered it through the police investigation. The men who participated in her rape were all sorts of men, often married and with respected jobs, “good men.” She decided to make the trial public to raise awareness. What caused those “good” men to rape an unconscious woman? Systemic dehumanization and objectification of women, and also seeing masculinity as a form of dominance over the feminine, “feeling like a man” as they were socialized to view masculinity. Even the men who were just contacted by her husband and didn't end up going and raping her, did nothing about it. Didn't call to the police or something.

But I thought solipsism. If solipsism then no. Where attention goes, energy flows. These things I focus on in my consciousness are the truths that I create. Yes if you can watch this and detach your identity from it, but can you? Most people can't do that. Suicide and mental health issues are through the roof with law enforcement. The lesson? Don't go into law enforcement.

@Basman I'm not saying to get rid of Neurotypical people. Also I'm not saying their existence is less justified just because it's more simple. In some way, the Zen existence is the most simple yet it is ridiculous to use this as reason to get rid of them or something. In that way, I am not making the same mistake as Ayn Rand who believes that the genius of the world can somehow just survive without the normies. If you truly understand my argument, you will realize that I'm saying that the geniuses might be able to create the finest gourmet meals, which suck at keeping you alive like simple, warmed up meals do. This is what Marxism is. It is precisely the notion that the state should mainly care about its working class since all of existence and economics is rooted in it and not in the lofty ideas of the few geniuses. This is why in in Leninism, it is required for a small group of the elite to commit "class suicide" and dedicate themselves to the needs of the simple people. This is why Marxism is literally the opposite of fascism. Fascist are very open about that fact. There is no fascism without communism. It is a direct response to communism.

Dude suicide and death isn't easy, you could botch it and survive disabled. You're trapped. Many sucide attempts fail. Besides, I don't want to reincarnate. Someone here said you can fully embody god and what dematerialzie? I've found no information how to awaken from this dream of life, if god is truely free and infinite then where is the wake up trigger switch?

Unfortunately are the normal human history. Same than conquer lands. Arabs conquered many lands that are Muslims until now, Turks conquered Anatolia and now it's turkey, Chinese a lot of countries that now are china, and Jews conquered Israel, or re conquerered their ancient land according to them. The only that matters is if you succeed or not. Legitimate happens later, gaining your right to be there, as Israel is doing now. A world where all humans dance and hugs would be better? Sure, but for now it isn't. Maybe when the IA rules and robots work, then we all will commit suicide 😅

Suicide. But, physical suicidal is easy, quick, running away. Surrendering is burning alive. Completely opposite of physical suicide. Not running, jumping into fire, burning till not even ashes left.

Jiang desires so hardly the fall of US that he really believes the worst scenario possible, but that would be absolute political suicide for Iran, handing Israel the key to legitimacy in the Gulf. The fanaticism of Muslim regimes is always overestimated, when they are usually corrupt regimes that only seek to perpetuate themselves in power, like any other dictatorship. Power is power, it's equal for everyone. Have they filled the Strait of Hormuz with mines in revenge for the assassination of the Ayatollah? Why haven't they destroyed any desalination plants yet? What are they waiting for? I think that anyone in Iran who ask himself: what is the better option in all senses now? Would answer: change. Because the other options are catastrophic

And that's precisely the point. The house is burning, Death is next moment. The fool thinks Death is far away, but is always next moment. If this doesnt compel one to seek and notice the urgency of it, then I dont know what will. People at large doesnt comtemplate Death, they are too casual about it, and thats why most are not wise people. Believe it or not, I dont, otherwise I wouldnt have found actualized.org. But language is limited, I have to express the larger point somehow. And I did consider suicide, its foolish for a variety of reasons. No problem, its was enjoyable indeed.

It's not a handwaving, every time I leave the house I know perfectly well I might die in some accident, or simpler still a brain aneurysm I don't know about could suddenly rupture and kill me on the spot or render me a vegetable wherever I am. It may be the most logical emotionally, but there's higher order logic. Your trouble is identifying with the human you too much, which can indeed be destroyed by Death easier than brushing off a speck of dust. Such conventions don't apply to your actual Identity though. Then there's the whole angle of suicide to consider, but that's unnecessary radical for now. Enjoyable as it was, gonna have to shorten all further posts for time purposes, since it's a universal pattern that people ignore 90% of it anyway.

I'm not a toddler to not understand this .you got this one and everyone gets this cuz that's what society tells you to do. I'm offering the other perspective..can you understand that there is no such thing as traumatic in "actuality " ? There was a huge crime that happened back in 2007 in America (not sure but I took it from Sam Harris). Two criminals robbed a house and killed two little girls and stole all the money and then tied their parents to the bed and burned them alive and the entire house . The criminals weren't arrested because they both committed suicide soon after the incident because probably they went "okay why on earth should anyone do that "?. They actually wrote a suicide note saying that they regret what they did . Can you tell me what did you understand from this story ?

@Oeaohoo A .1% increase in baseline consciousness could be the difference between depression on the brink of suicide and genuine peace, a sense of purpose, and a heart full of gratitude. I'm less than 1% higher in my baseline from when I was at my lowest. But I live in a different reality. If you're more interested in the truth angle than the liberation angle, then there's plenty of that too.

I'm truly mesmerised and confused about the way Iran is handling this conflict. For the longest time, their responses were the most rational and calibrated. And now what?! They're gone absolutely insane. They're just proving they're terrorists waiting for the right moment to blow up. I mean I understand the situation doesn't leave them many options, but this is literally suicide bombing. Just imagine they develop nuclear.

Suicide is like forfeiting the game, but you never completed it so you will have to start over. Now ask yourself, do you really want to start over and go through all that shit again? because its not like you can escape what you need to learn and master in the next life, you will eventually be met with the same challenges or (part of the game) you need to complete to progress further in the souls evolutionary path, so to speak. So killing yourself will only create more karma you have to deal with in the next life and who knows how many times you have done it in previous lives, if you look at it this way, you'll see the pointlessness of suicide and its the only way to truly fail the game. If someone kills you, you actually have succeeded, because that's God's will / plan / agreement of a higher order. Suicide is always due to disconnection and disembodiment from the higher truth / plan / divine play and order.

@Majed Maybe there is some spiritual truth to suicide and spirituality. But I'd argue using spirituality as a justification for suicide is just an egoic rationalisation for the act.