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Ahhh, wonderful questions. The screen metaphor is so so juicy and fun to unpack. This screen metaphor goes beyond the "observer + object" stage, yet includes both observer and object. As you picked up on, it includes both absolute and relative. I consider it to be a metaphor that seems deceptively simple. Yet it is very deep. Let's first consider stages and consider the relative and absolute as separate. The first stage is awareness of objects reveals itself. There is detached awareness that does not identify with any object. This awareness does not give meaning to any object or happening. If meaning is assigned to an object or meaning, awareness is aware of that yet is still detached from that meaning assignment. Here, objects include all things such as trees, pencils, sounds, feelings, thoughts etc. If a thought arises, there is awareness of that thought, yet it has no more relevance than a bird chirp. The thoughts might be "My neighboor is so annoying" and the body may feel irritated. Again, there is detached awareness that there are thoughts, meaning and feelings arising - yet as awareness has no more relevance than a bird chirp. One trap at the personal level is to identify as being the "observer". Thoughts and beliefs such as "I am observing my thoughts" is indicative of identification with awareness. In Spira's analogy it would be like identifying as a person in the theater watching the movie. As detached as this observer may be, there is still separation. One way out of this dynamic is when awareness of the observer (person watching the movie) is revealed. Yet then again, a mind can identify as being the observer of the observer. Then there is awareness of the observer of the observer - which is then identified with it. There is a threshold in which there are so many awareness of observer levels that it becomes infinite and collapses into simply awareness. Spira is going one step further into nonduality. In the above video he is trying to pull the women a half-step. Yet she isn't ready for even a half-step - it is actually a big step. . . So here we venture into nonduality, but it is important to note we are not rejecting duality. Integrating the two is a further step which we will address in a bit. . . Imagine the movie playing on the screen. If we step back, we can see objects like cars and people moving around. We can see joy, happiness etc. This is a valid perspective, yet let's let go of that and zoom into the screen. If we look real close, we can see the screen and pixels dancing around. From this close-up view there is only pixels moving around - we can no longer make sense of it and give it meaning. There are no more cars and people moving around. There is no way to assign meaning. How could one say the dancing pixels are "love"? We may see some pixels and say "that is love", yet when we step back we see those pixels are organized in such a way that a person is murdering another person. Ooops!! That aint love from this perspective!! So from the pixel perspective, we simply have dancing pixels moving around. There is no way for us to make any distinctions. Now, take a closer look. We first saw separate pixels interacting with each other. Yet if we look even closer, we see that it is actually one giant pixel that is modulating. The giant pixels swirls around. Here is a key. . . to assign any distinction or value to the one giant pixel, what needs to happen? For example, to say "it is love", what needs to happen? Within the giant pixel there is nothing. To assign a something there must be separation. There must be some separate entity observing the giant pixel and assigning love. This is the big step into nonduality that is very challenging. The sense of separation dissolves and there is just the dancing pixel. There is no longer a separate you. It is only the swirling pixel. Any statement about that pixel requires separation. Awareness itself is a duality. For there to be awareness, there must be a separate thing to be aware of. In this analogy, awareness and object collapse into one (the one giant swirling pixel). To take it one step further, look around you. The human mind is conditioned to have a "far-out" view and see all the objects. Yet can you see all the pixels? Everything around you are the pixels on an invisible screen. Notice how some pixels around you are moving and some pixels are still. The tree branch pixels are moving. The parked car pixels are still. Now look deeper. See the one giant pixel of everything around you. It is one giant pixel swirling around. A big step further. . . see that YOU are also pixels within the one giant swirling pixel. . . What needs to happen to make any statement about the one swirling pixel? Just like above, there needs to be separation from the one giant pixel. To say "it is love" is separation. How can the one giant pixel be love? That would mean it isn't hate. Yet the one giant pixels is Everything. This is why one word is too many. Everything is within the One giant swirling pixel. It is infinite. That is nonduality. That is the absolute. At this point we are still making a distinction between nonduality (absolute) and duality (relative). The human mind is so conditioned into duality (relative) that I think it's important to spend consider effort toward nonduality and gaining considerable grounding in nonduality before the next step that integrates nonduality and duality. The trap here is embracing nonduality and rejecting duality. This will cause all sorts of struggles and inner turmoil because they are both actually the same. Going back to the movie example. From that one giant swirling pixel, any "thing" can arise. Now, any thing that arises is relative. Don't reject the relative, just understand it. From the One swirling pixel, can a tree arise? Of course, take a step back and see a tree. Yet notice that tree is relative. Does the One giant pixel see a tree? Does a rock see a tree? An ant? No. So is the tree there? Yes and No. It's relative. This is where humans get stuck on an objective external reality. Essentially, the human mind is obsessed with proving to itself and others that the tree is objectively real. It is and it isn't. It's just relative. The movie is both one giant swirling pixel AND lots of objects - cars people, love, hate etc. The absolute and relative are integrated as one. However, the perception of the absolute flows through the filter of a human mind-body. In the relative, my mind-body will not transform into a bird or fly, nor will it start speaking Russian today. So all things relative are also absolute. The human mind creates that separation. When that separation dissolves, magnificence emerges. I find it very challenging to enter this space with other humans because other humans are totally immersed within the relative. I find it much much easier to enter these spaces in nature. Go hiking in nature and let that separation dissolve. Including subconscious orientations such as "I am human. That is a tree". Let that dissolve and BE the one giant swirling pixel. Not a human observing the One giant swirling pixel. Actually BEing it. Then zoom out for the far out perspective. Going back and forth between absolute is a trip. Communication and connectedness with trees, insects, animals is truly amazing.

A thought experiment: Imagine you will be asked a trivia question. If you answer correctly, you win a billion dollars. Yet if you answer incorrectly, you lose everything you own - your house, car, job, clothing - everything. So you don’t want to guess. You are on national TV in front if millions of viewers. Here it comes. . . Is a gablish a tecklit of a fromwik? What comes to mind? Would you go blank? Be confused? You are stumped because there is an abscence of meaning. It doesn’t have meanng, yet that doesn’t mean it’s meaningless. There is simply an absence of meaning (I made the words up). Therefore, the answer is not “yes”, nor is the answer “no”. It is neither yes or no. (Or both yes and no). Our human minds are conditioned to to assign meaning and think in opoosites: “it either is or is not”, “either yes or no”, “life is good, death is bad”. If the mind does not assign meaning, there is absence of meaning. When faced with this, the mind wants to go to the other extreme and say it is meaningless. Yet neither is true. There is an absence of meaning. A haptid doesn’t have meaning nor is it meaningless, it never existed in your reality. You never assigned it meaning. In nonduality we may say things like “enlightenment is one, yet also not one” or “the ego is an illusion, yet it also exists” or “everything arises from nothing” or “there is groundless ground”. These types of contradictions used to drive me crazy, until I let go of the mind’s obsession with assigning meaning and became comfortable with abscence of meaning. Then, I higher-order intuitive understanding arose. A nonverbal, nonconceptual knowing that I never knew existed. When I desired to assign meaning and explain verbally, I was never satisfied with an answer and was continually in seeking mode. Yet with this intuitive knowing, there is an abscence of either satisfaction or dissatisfaction because there is nothing to satisfy. There is just a knowing. Similiar to how you just know you want chocolate ice cream. It’s just a knowing that cannot be proven or explained. You just know you want chocolate ice cream.

@Ampresus The Do Nothing method is often considered an advanced practice. If it’s hard to “be the observer” of thoughts, or, to get some ‘space’, it might be from typically being attached to thoughts, so a simple & relaxing stomach breathe focus meditation could give you a break from thoughts, thus realizing the ‘space’, and how it is they can be observed without engagement. There are some helpful instructions here, as well as an Awareness of Thoughts Meditation you might want to check out: Nonduality & Meditations

Precisely! I suppose one man’s practical tip is another’s nonduality lesson.

This perspective is still one of opposites that perceives nonduality and duality. That itself is a duality. The human mind is highly conditioned to perceive duality, so nonduality is a very difficult perceptive to have direct experience. Once the mind-body experiences nonduality it can gravitate to and embrace nonduality and reject duality. Nondual direct experience is extremely important and since the mind-body is so conditioned to duality, totally immersing oneself in the newly-accessed nonduality his helpful for development. The next stage is to start integrating nonduality and duality. Yet, ime and what I've seen in others - this is advanced. I had to really get grounded in nonduality before this integration. It helped me to visualize a coin. One side is nonduality, the other side is duality. I saw these as separate for a long time and explore each side. After gaining a lot of experience with the nonduality side, I begain seeing that both sides of the coin are integrated. There is no point in which one side stops and the other side begins. They are an integrated whole. This lesson can be applied to all that we see as being opposites, such as life-death, joy-sorrow etc.

Yeah those are the best i am not a big fan of enlightenment and nonduality which some of his newer videos talk about.

Maybe Leo's view is not for you and this is perfectly fine and important to recognize. There are lots of other sources of nonduality and spiritual teachings out there. See if any of them connect with your heart and go about them slowly to see how your mind/body/ego react. I've had to take large chunks of time off from "spiritual" stuff and just live life (sometimes years off). Interestingly enough though, if your desire is still truely to know truth and what this all is, you'll learn lessons even when you drop the meditation stuff, reading stuff and just do "normal" things (again so long as you truely desire truth).

While nonduality is an insanely awesome paradigm also remember that God, The Dao or whatever you want to call it even transcends the idea of oneness. It would be error to say it is one and to say it is separate. So make sure to follow the pointers and not confuse it with actuality ?

I Thought this video was for men going their own way. To be honest, I love seeing underdeveloped people ranting about their lives and missing the spiral dynamics and nonduality. However, I was surprised by philosophical thoughts of elliot hulse about how Matter=Mother=Maternty=Matrix=science=feminism=materialism which was the way of the mother and suckling of tities and sexuality desired by failed men and mother world is material world which you leo advise us to stay away from it and seek higher realms. He said men should strive for the way of spirit which is the way of the father or patter from old indo-european and he links it to the word pattern and initiation, our eternal father in heaven, Paternity, Path, heroes journey. Is he correct or is he lost in the dictionary of endless symbolism and going back connecting similar sounds that has meanings? Is he correct? He seems very logical and his reasoning is so convincing and I am convinced like 100% but reason doesn't always work in reality thanks to the supreme absolute infinity.

Nonduality is multiple choice. ????????‍♂️??? Become a Universal Heretic.

Duality is confined to just two options. Yes/no good/bad black/white -mechanical part of the Human centers/auto pilot Duality + 1(third force/self conscious awareness-Will-attuned to strange strange attractor/Holy Spirit) = Being/nonduality Love is nondual Beingness is nondual -- multiple choice living in the present Awakened Human Being ?

@Highest I understand it's extremely hard to convey Truth/Nonduality thu language, which is inherently dualistic, but the opinion about Atheists above is dualistic views. Do you as God realize that any Atheist you encounter is just a dream character you dreamed up? Thus they never are doing or have ever done anything, as they don't actually exist. Only you, God, are dictating their thoughts. And it's all happening only within your direct experience, in this moment only. Is this the way you understand things to be true? To me (because I have not had an Awakening yet, still believe I'm human and everything is material and dualistic) it's all just concepts, because I have not experienced God in my direct experience (I realize that once awake I may/will realize it always as been in my direct experience). Just out of curiosity, have you fully experienced/awakened to being God/ Infinity/ the creator of universe and all of reality/the Truth of Truths, or is your views and shared wisdoms beliefs based on teachings?

Firstly, please forgive me, I know I've been a pain in the ass on this forum before. The things I've said have often come from within a confused and scared state. The thing is, regarding nonduality and the like, I really don't believe. Simply because I have not had any experience of it. So again, bear with me, please. I really don't believe that everything is light and love. I don't buy into mediums and psychics. And I don't buy into a lot of the other things that come along with this sort of thing. But I wish it was all true, and I'll explain why. I love/loved life. I love the earth. I love animals. I love looking at stars. I love the universe. I don't want my experience to end. I've recently met a girl. And we've been dating and I think we're already falling in love. I don't even know how this all came about. I stopped looking for love years ago, and then just as I started exploring this stuff, here she came. And she's wonderful. Last night we went our, and it was truly one of the most amazing nights of my life. I never wanted it to end. She's wonderful. But one day I'll be dead. And so will she. One day, the universe will end again. Which means everything we might do together, any effect we have on the world, will be gone. So isn't everything pointless? It breaks my heart. Truly breaks my heart. I'm at work typing this and im having to hold back the tears. You might laugh at this, but it breaks my heart. People might say, "well you're only 26, you've got a lifetime to live! Enjoy your time here". But I haven't got a long time. Time, as we know it on earth, move so quick. Everything you look forward to, comes and goes. Like last night for me. I was so excited for the date, and I loved the experience, but now it's over. Which is fine, things have to end, I get that. I have the memory of it which is great. And there's the prospect of many other great nights. But it can't go on forever. Before you know it, you're 80 years old, basically waiting to die. Or are you already dead? It's controversial but I do think that consciousness is just chemistry. But I wish it wasn't. I'd give anything to be able to live forever in whatever form. I'd give anything to just spend eternity with this girl. Give me reasons why everything isn't pointless if I'm basically already dead..

Eventually duality and non duality supposedly merge. I only say supposedly as I am not there yet. Instead I spend increasing amounts of time naturally disengaging with duality and basking in nonduality. However people describe this as "utter bliss" but for me it's more comforting emptiness / wholeness. Also even when in duality and operating in the "reality" of duality, the nonduality is always quietly vibrating in the background. So maybe it has merged? I am not sure.

@Paul92 what's happening Paul mate, I'm aaron from Northern Ireland. Right, so straight away I'm just gonna tell you that all of these thoughts and emotions are VERY very typical to be seen in someone who is just about to embark on their spiritual path. So don't be depressed, just allow yourself to BE and keep following your heart. Excellent excellent excellent. Do NOT change this. And definitely do NOT believe in nonduality or spirituality. Belief leads to false revelations, and insights of the imagination... Imitations of the truth, instead of the truth itself. Don't reject any conceptualisations of nonduality, just don't believe them...see that whatever you imagine about god, isint actually god...it's your imagination. You will see certain truths when *God* chooses for you to see them. And not before then. It's very important that you neither believe or disbelieve anything. In other words, don't take any step in any direction. The only thing that matters are the practices, get familiar with self enquiry, kryia yoga especially, be careful with phyc's as well...they are explosive. Ohhhhhhh brother, this is FERTILE ground! Deeply philosophical mind, logical, analytical. Beware though, when using the mind to do philosophy, deep inner dissatisfaction arises (at least I find). I have an extremely deep mind, and I know that using it only brings more pain. Instead of eating more from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you should eat once from the tree of life and become alive. It's all about discovering who/what you are. When using consciousness to see the truth (which is itself, consciousness), God's love and joy and peace overflow out of your heart. You have to die like Jesus died though, the worst death. You must decend to the lowest parts of the earth, and die so that you can be born again of the great one...and become him. "When you close your eyes you see black, you are not the black, *you are the consciousness in which the black exists*." You truly mean this? You'd give anything to be able to live forever? then give your SELF, begin the process of learning what you are by learning what you are NOT. self enquire and search. What part of the body is "you" the left pinkie fingernail? Is that part considered "you"? If it we're removed, would you still be here? Yes? Then you can exist without your pinkie nail, which means the pinkie nail isint you. What about more foundational things like your face...if the skin around your face and mouth was removed and replaced with a new face, would you still be here experiencing life directly? Can "you" exist without your face? Is it "you." What, when removed, causes *you* to be removed. Emotional sensations? Memory? What determines what you are? Is it your taste in music? If that was gone would you still be here experiencing life directly? Find the self, and you will find the gift of God, eternal life. The truth is, you are already an eternal God, it's not your choice...you already are. (Don't believe this though remember! *FIND* the truth by asking and answering simple self enquiry questions) Ok, the concept of "chemistry" you have right now...is happening *within* your consciousness right nowwwww. The idea that it is not happening within your consciousness, is an idea that is also happening within your consciousness. You cannot escape this. The belief that consciousness does not exist, occurs within your consciousness. And the idea that other people have consciousness, is still just another idea... happening within *YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS*.

@Highest My sense is you’ve had some direct experience with nonduality and are at an immature developmental stage with it.

yeah there are many like you. it doesn’t matter you know, either you are a devil or you are a god. but both can have facettes. and you are still far from it - if you‘d understand nonduality really you‘d understand that. but you don’t. and thats why you are stuck. you think you already understood everything. while you just replaced your ego with god - but that’s selfdeception.

I'm sorry to say, but this is starting to look like zen devilry. Be careful... It's often when you think you're the most "protected" by your consciousness of the nondual that you're actually most vulnerable to your egoic desires. Carlos Casteneda talked about this in The Teachings of Don Juan. There are 3 obstacles for a man on the path of knowledge. The first is fear. I believe you have overcome that, as you are conscious of nonduality (God). The second obstacle is actually the hard-won prize from defeating the first obstacle: clarity. You can rely on your clarity so much that you use it in places that you shouldn't. To overcome clarity, one should almost look at it as if a mistake. Question everything about it. Learn when to use it and when not to. Stay humble. This is part of the sage's path. If you stop here, you will surely be defeated. If you happen to overcome the second obstacle, clarity, then you will be faced with the final boss: power. A man who fully succumbs to power will be permanently defeated. You must have a teotlized heart by this point, able to withstand any temptation. Notice that you are not safe or free from responsibility at any part of this journey. You ARE a sage whether you like it or not, and there are real dangers along the path.

god does not have an individual experience. if you still discern between i and others you don’t even know what nonduality means. as there is nothing inside of you that is yours to begin with. but you don’t see that as you are really lost in the mirror of yourself - the question is why you think you are so special? what did you do for it except entering a world? maybe driving a big car, fucking girls, smoking weed? indeed it’s really special!!! i would start following your highhestness for that alone, you’re not even nothing because you already define yourself perfectly with shallowness. and sorry to say it it’s really just what 99% of all males do who think they are something. you‘re not even an orange ? as this orange has a red coloring and looks a lot like a pill. it’s just hidden.

Nonduality = not two.

You are conscious you are God.... ”at the same time you can be yourself”? “And experience duality....” Reality is “in front of “you” “? ”Immerse in nonduality (not two) and duality (two).....”both worlds”...? If ”Everything is One”....then what is “the precious personal”? Who “makes love with that”? Who “immerses”, who is “your”, who is “self”, what is “that”? Who “attains”, what are “both worlds”, what is “full” awareness? If you are all that is, why the distinction between “becoming a sage”, and “girls and weed”?

@Highest thinking you are already it - you’ve already lost in the intellect game. nonduality also means your woman picture tells much more about your spirituality than your belief that you are one - because that’s what you then really are. the way you treat women is only the way you treat yourself.

Well I thought this could be important for some of you out there. Regarding a Megadose, I´m talking about 25g of dried mushroom. I only did it once so far. Now after working with 5meo, I look back at that 25g trip in another way. The peak experience on the mushroom trip (lastet about four hour... not quite sure, but pretty long) and it just went fully non-dual, extremely similar to 5meo dmt on a breakthroughdose. This ain´t a tripreport. What I want is to inform you about the possibility and method to remain in nonduality for significantly longer compared to 5meo dmt. Of course the experience is a completely other overall but in case you can handle a breakthroughdose of 5meo dmt and if you are confident that you could handle some extra strain... Could be highly worth it.

Hey guys, anyone from here from Berlin? I would really love to connect with you in person. Posting in this subthread because I find that here are the people who specialize in spirituality/nonduality.

It's not until we have inner quiet that we can really observe our awareness. If you can watch your thoughts and emotions with detachment. That's being the Watcher or the witness. How about the quality of 'attention'? Can you direct all your attention on one thing? Or Is the attention dispersed some? Periodic daydreaming? A third category is drawn attention. Feelings tend to draw attention out from under our conscious control. The most important one I think is negative emotion. It's more difficult to maintain objectivity about. We identify with the emotional suffering and start becoming reactive usually. We identify when there is distress,,,,,, understandably, but it's re-entry back into hard duality of good and bad. Being the Watcher has a taste of nonduality, actually, in the sense that one is experiencing a greater feeling of being impartial and of spaciousness or 'oceanic' quality of experience. Experiencing inner quiet and being the detached watcher of thoughts and emotions continuously, usually takes a quite a bit of inquiry to build up the capacity to not get knocked out by life's random shocks. The watcher or the witness is called 'Observing I' in the fourth way which leads to a deeper experience called the 'Permanent Witness.' Ted Nottingham really explains it good. Hope this was some help.