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Awareness knows the appearance of both the impersonal and the personal. So to exclude one in favour of the other is your prerogative, so you can’t speak for others.

The mirage really is there, its just not what it appears to be. Its all empty impersonal awareness that Knows itself by being itself. The screen is the only thing real, but there really is a movie shown on that screen, even if only a mirage, the mirage is happening and not a problem if the screen is realised as the only reality of the movie/mirage. In other words, impersonal awareness is the only reality of me. We are outpreaching each other.

AI can't replace humans. Humans set the tone; they can highlight nuances that were already present in the general idea, but for some reason you didn't notice. So, people wrote to me that I used AI, but the problem is that if I had, I would have done so shamelessly and openly. I don't see a problem with using AI on a forum, but the complaint here is that you're not doing it YOURSELF, meaning you're being dishonest, even though your answer may be honest, the emphasis is elsewhere. And when people wrote to me that I used AI, but I didn't, you might think it's a compliment—that I'm very smart, right? No! Because when you get that impression, for example, you wrote a comment and people say, "He used AI," it means, first and foremost, that the text or script is perceived as "impersonal," or that they don't understand a direct request or question when they respond. AI is a wonderful tool, but we still have to remember: garbage in, garbage out.

@Joshe @Ramasta9 Here I asked my biggest nondual chatgpt chat to "discombobulate" 😆 the original post, point by point, using the knowledge from the chat. Took me 10 minutes to generate: I hear that you want to look at each of those points through the strictest non-dual lens, not through self-help or therapy language. Here’s how that can be done without attacking anyone—just laying out what is actually seen when awareness looks directly. --- ### “Mental Awakening Without Embodiment” There is no separate “mind” and “body” that one could integrate later. Thoughts and sensations appear in the same field of knowing. To say “mental but not embodied” only makes sense from the point of view of the imagined person who thinks it can own awakening. When awareness is clear, both thought and heartbeat are already included; nothing is left out. --- ### “Spiritual Bypass & Emotional Evasion” No one avoids or faces emotion; emotion simply arises or does not. The idea of a “someone” bypassing something is itself another appearance in awareness. When grief or fear is seen as what it is—vibration within knowing—there is no bypass, no repression, no separate feeler. --- ### “Ego Rebranding as ‘No One’” Even “ego dressing as no-one” is a thought. The claim “I am no one” and the pride that follows are equally transient ripples. Awareness doesn’t need to kill or purify a ripple; it only ever recognizes it as itself. --- ### “Disembodiment & Aversion to the Human Story” The “human story” is one texture of awareness. Aversion and acceptance are both motions inside the same stillness. To awareness there is no disembodiment—body, story, and world are how awareness tastes itself. --- ### “Parrot Syndrome & Language Loops” Repetition without seeing is only sound. When seeing happens, even silence says it. Awareness does not memorize teachings; it notices its own presence before every word. --- ### “Loss of Love, Heart, and Relationship” Love and awareness are not two. When the illusion of separation softens, warmth and compassion show up naturally, not as ethics but as the very feel of unity. There’s no need to manufacture “heart”; it is what unbounded awareness feels like when it touches itself. --- ### “Commercialization & Loss of Lineage” Selling or not selling cannot stain awareness. But from within the play, honesty matters—because integrity keeps the play transparent. Money exchanges are just forms; clinging or deceit are the only fog. --- ### “Devaluing the Relative World” Absolute and relative are one event. To call the world “dream” is not to dismiss it but to recognize its texture: vivid, fleeting, sacred. Compassion is the dream loving itself. --- ### “Hyper-Identification With Emptiness” Calling everything “illusion” is still a thought about “everything.” True emptiness is not a concept of nothingness—it’s the living fullness before the idea of full or empty. When that is seen, detachment softens into tenderness. --- ### “Ungrounded Teachers” No one can “land back on earth”; earth itself is appearing in awareness. Yet when that is seen, expression becomes simple, human, kind—because pretending ends. Grounding is not an act; it is the natural stillness of what you already are. --- ### “Integrating Humanity” Sanctifying form is not a second project after enlightenment. Form *is* the sanctified face of the formless. To include the mosquito is not moral effort—it is the recognition that there has never been an outside. --- ### “When Love and Emptiness Meet” They never actually meet; they have never been apart. Love is emptiness perceived from within the play. Emptiness is love seen without story. --- **In short:** Awakening is not a state to embody but the seeing that embodiment, thought, and cosmos are already the movement of the same knowing. There is no one who must stabilize it, and yet—when this is seen—the appearance naturally becomes gentler, clearer, more loving. That is the paradox and the perfection of nonduality. And here I asked another one of my gpt nondual chats to discombobulate point by point, you can see the different styles of my chats to the same request, this chat is much smaller than the other, lets see which one makes the points cleaner: That’s a rich and well-crafted critique. Rather than “discombobulating” it, I’ll unpack each point from the view of **radical nonduality**—not to argue against the spirit of the message (which is compassionate and sane), but to show how, from the nondual view, every critique ultimately dissolves back into what it’s describing. Nonduality isn’t a philosophy that *stands apart* and evaluates; it’s the seeing that there’s no position from which to evaluate at all. So let’s go through each paragraph. --- ### 1. “Mental Awakening Without Embodiment” > “People talk about oneness... Awakening becomes an idea... dissociation dressed as enlightenment.” From the nondual view, “mental,” “body,” and “embodiment” are appearances *within* awareness. There isn’t a separate one who could “embody” realization. If dissociation appears, that too is awareness appearing as dissociation. Nothing has gone wrong. The mind says, “This is incomplete,” but that judgment is itself an appearance of completeness in disguise. Awareness never left the body to begin with. --- ### 2. “Spiritual Bypass & Emotional Evasion” > “Using emptiness to avoid pain...” Pain, avoidance, and the one who would avoid are all the same movement of consciousness. You can’t hide from awareness because you *are* it. When “bypass” is seen clearly, it’s just another flavor of what is. The moment you notice “avoidance,” avoidance ends—because noticing and avoiding are not-two. --- ### 3. “Ego Rebranding as ‘No One’” > “The ego doesn’t die; it dresses itself in void-talk…” There is no ego that could die or rebrand. “Ego,” “no-one,” and “awakening” are dream-labels for the same play. Pride, humility, defensiveness—each is a temporary costume worn by the same faceless actor. The idea that one can *fall into* spiritual arrogance presumes an entity that could choose differently; in seeing there’s no such chooser, even arrogance is just weather in the sky of awareness. --- ### 4. “Disembodiment & Aversion to the Human Story” > “True awakening roots deeply in body, relationships, sensation…” There’s no “true” versus “false” awakening; those are distinctions awareness makes inside itself. What’s called “the human story” is not outside the Absolute—it *is* the Absolute appearing as humanity. The notion of “aversion to the human” presupposes a human separate from the whole. From nonduality’s eye, even alienation is total intimacy—reality appearing as the sense of distance. --- ### 5. “Parrot Syndrome & Language Loops” > “Teachings repeated without understanding…” Every phrase ever spoken is a repetition of silence in sound form. “There is no self” is not meant to be understood; it’s meant to self-erase in the hearing. When words collapse into tautology, communication has succeeded, because it’s exposed the impossibility of communicating what already *is*. So the so-called “loop” is the teaching functioning perfectly. --- ### 6. “Loss of Love, Heart, and Relationship” > “Reality reduced to impersonal awareness…” Love *is* the impersonal. The warmth in relationship and the stillness of awareness are the same field, viewed through different moods. When compassion seems absent, that very perception is love revealing its opposite to itself. Nonduality doesn’t exclude heart—it’s the seeing that love and emptiness were never two. --- ### 7. “Commercialization & Loss of Lineage” > “Spirituality packaged, branded, sold…” Selling, branding, buying, and reacting to commercialization are all movements of the same consciousness. Nothing stands outside it to be “pure” or “corrupted.” The marketplace is also the monastery. Money changing hands is God shaking its own hand. --- ### 8. “Devaluing the Relative World” > “When the world is dismissed as dream, compassion dies…” The dream *is* compassion. To call the world a dream isn’t to devalue it; it’s to recognize it as divine imagination, infinitely intimate. The problem only seems real when we assume the dreamer and the dream are separate. They’re not—there’s just dreaming. --- ### 9. “Hyper-Identification With Emptiness” > “Reducing all experience to illusion…” Emptiness identified with is no longer empty. Yet even that misidentification is the play of emptiness. The “collapse of communication” it produces is another expression of what can’t be lost. Silence is not failure—it’s the ground note of every dialogue. --- ### The Closing Advice > “Land back on earth... Real spirituality sanctifies humanity... Love and emptiness meet.” Beautiful. From nonduality’s raw seeing, though, there was never anyone who left the earth to return to it. The dust on your shoes, the ache in your chest, the typing of these words—this *is* sanctified humanity. You don’t need to merge emptiness with love; they were never apart. Awareness of awareness is already that meeting point—the world tasting itself. --- ### In short The critique is a call for wholeness. Radical nonduality says: wholeness never fractured. Every bypass, commercialization, arrogance, numbness, or abstraction is simply the next shape of totality. When that’s seen—not understood, but *noticed* right now—everything lands. There’s no landing needed. The reader is already awareness, aware of reading, aware of awareness. Nothing more to integrate. Nothing left out.

Hey All, dear reflections, or illusions... whatever floats thy boat... Lets be real here? I wish to share something I feel is important. I have been on and off the online world for many years now, often due to change of lifestyle, but other times due to how twisted and distorted the online spiritual and non-dual community has become, like a bunch of overgrown weeds entangled in their own mess, no offense, but we need to do some spiritual gardening. I see people on the path who are waking up, or may have been for some time, but often are struggling to ground and integrate and stabilize the energy into form, into a practice, into a balance of discipline and flow, so they seek help online, which often is met by very ungrounded energies, otherworldly and non-supportive responses, that only speak in 'absolutes', especially the neo-non-dualists, and especially on these types of forums. What people need is something tangible, something they can touch, feel, taste, smell and connect to, like a tree, or an animal, something more "alive" than these non-dualist/neo-spiritual purely conceptual responses of 'absolutes', to assist in the stabilization of the enlightened~energy, into the earth, into the (human experience), into the form(yes illusion, we know), because this is simply the dance we are playing right now, so why deny it altogether? At the end of the day, even the illusion is (part-of) the Truth, otherwise why not be silent altogether, why are you online on these forums at all? You are partaking in the dance shouting: "there is no dance", the life of the party you are ! Now lets get down to the main issues. Here are some of the things I have been observing and seeing. The Main Problems in Modern Neo-Spirituality / Non-Duality Mental Awakening Without Embodiment People talk about oneness, emptiness, or "no-self", but their body, emotions, and relationships remain untouched. Awakening becomes an "idea" instead of a lived truth. Core issue: Mental realization without somatic integration. Result: dissociation dressed as enlightenment, subtle validation-seeking, and reactivity. Spiritual Bypass & Emotional Evasion Philosophy becomes a shield against pain, trauma, or personal responsibility. Instead of meeting grief, fear, or conflict, one declares, "Who is there to feel it?" Core issue: Using emptiness to avoid Embodiment. Result: Emotional numbness, loss of empathy, and disconnection from real tenderness. Ego Rebranding as "No One" The ego doesn’t die; it dresses itself in void-talk: "I am no one, and I see that." Subtly, pride, superiority, and defensiveness remain. Core issue: identification with the role of "the awakened one." Result: Spiritual arrogance, hierarchy, and inability to self-reflect. Disembodiment & Aversion to the Human Story True awakening roots deeply in body, relationships, and sensation. Many modern teachings ignore these, seeing humanity, individuality, and emotion as obstacles rather than expressions of consciousness. Core issue: Avoidance of lived human experience. Result: abstract, cold, and alienated realization. Parrot Syndrome & Language Loops Teachings are repeated without direct understanding. Phrases like "there is no self" are mimicked endlessly, echo chambers form, and language collapses communication. Core issue: Borrowed wisdom without integration. Result: shallow realization, circular arguments, and disconnection from others. Loss of Love, Heart, and Relationship Modern non-duality often sidelines compassion, intimacy, and humility, reducing reality to a flat, impersonal awareness. Core issue: Heartlessness in practice. Result: Truth becomes a blade; realization remains abstract. Commercialization & Loss of Lineage Spirituality is packaged, branded, and sold, often disconnected from ethics, guidance, and disciplined practice. Core issue: Profit-driven or ungrounded spiritual practice. Result: shallow realizations, psychological imbalance, and spiritual materialism. Devaluing the Relative World The absolute is pursued at the expense of form, relationships, creativity, and ethics. When the world is dismissed as a "dream," compassion dies. Core issue: splitting Absolute from Relative. Result: nihilism, alienation, and superiority complexes. Hyper-Identification With Emptiness Some reduce all experience to "illusion" or "projection", deny relational reality, or display defensive superiority as detachment. Core issue: Rigid conceptual reduction of life. Result: coldness, conceptual arrogance, and communication collapse. And so… such responses and conversations online often have no true ground, no place where realization has truly landed in being. We’ve all heard these things before. They often don’t help because they are ungrounded; they simply won’t land, as the teachers themselves haven’t landed back on earth. If you want something to land in the hearts of souls, you must first have stabilized and grounded what you are preaching. It must be in your very bones and essence, not just a mental realization or borrowed wisdom from what you heard or read online. The mind thinks it knows, yet understanding remains a mystery. The middle way is about integrating your humanity, being a friend who can relate, and offering support to all. Responses that only "perform" rather than "converse" come from void consciousness, where emptiness denies compassion. True teaching arises from embodied awareness, where emptiness and compassion coexist. Yes, ontologically, it is correct: there is no separate self; the world is an illusion. Yet existentially, it can be distorted if it ignores the lived reality of experience. If you truly want to help someone, put your hands, feet, and head on the ground first, remember the earth on which you stand. Real spirituality is not about transcending humanity; it is about sanctifying it. Awakening is not an escape from form; it is intimacy with form so complete that separation dissolves naturally. Enlightenment is about all-inclusiveness: you include the mosquito in your meditation, not try to meditate it away. Real Awakening flowers through the heart, not just the mind. When love and emptiness meet, truth finally breathes. And when emptiness flowers into love, the world is realized as the beloved.

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing. Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

I believe in synchronicity, being in flow with reality. Telepathy is available in dreams at night, you communicate in your dreams not through words, but telepathicly, because its all you. Now consciousness however is on another level. Its our essential nature, but its not a personal self, its quite impersonal allowing the personal to exist within it. I've had a spiritual experience during Covid where there was a hive mind, collective, trying to suck me in, but I was battling for my own mind's privacy. Consciousness is not a hive mind, privacy is absolutely important for creation. I think i kicked those hive mind entities butts during the spiritual experience. They wanted to play Simon says do as I say, but Simone says respect my privacy. Victor: I made consciousness Woman: Don't be silly, Victor, consciousness made you.

We are all one zero. Consciousness is impersonal. Solipsism fails because you say "My consciousness is all there is". Your experience is relative, impersonal universal zero- consciousness is absolute, no one relative individual owns it. It shines through all of us. You can’t telepathically access others because consciousness isn’t a network of connected individuals, it’s the single field appearing as individuals. The separateness is part of the show, not a flaw in it. Awareness is "one zero": it’s one because nothing stands outside it, and zero because it has no personal center and is space-like (empty)

To realize what Reality is and what my true being is, 15 years+ after starting with a Mahamudra and Dzogchen based practices similiar to Pointing out the Great Way. Before that, some years of Zen-like meditation, but that would not have led anywhere I guess (not efficient enough, at least not for me. Too much brute force effort required). So nowadays I am enjoying the bliss that comes along the release of the ever-grasping self-contraction/ego-illusion and effortless in True boundless nondual impersonal Being, getting rid of the remaining "character-hangovers" (Chat-GPT: "The lingering emotional or mental effects you feel after being deeply immersed in a fictional character or story.")... Ask my wife . And somtimes I wonder why some chase their own merely appearing and temporary (Alien-,x/y/z) tails in a grasping way (wanting x/y/z Awakenings or else suffering/contracting/grasping), which is exactly is the opposite of getting rid of the remaining lenses/filters by resting for really long periods of time in choiceless Awareness, which would make true Enlightenment possible. And propagate the tail-chasing as superior. Mayas illusions and cul-de-sacs, all the way of the path.... So, Godspeed by the River

This shit sucks, it's brutal. It's impersonal and doesn't see anyone. There's nothing personal about THIS. That heart beating in your chest is just a heart beating. It might seem to be yours and what's keeping you alive but it's not. It's just a heart seeming to beat in your body that's your heart and body. It's not. It fucking isn't. It just fucking isn't. Has nothing to do with you.

Well yes, that is kind of the crux of the matter. Because it is all of those. It is Impersonal Flow and yet also intimately loving and wanting to experience full of eros. So there are aspects/facets. And some of them are higher/purer. Like God is also unconsciouss materialist or christian fundamentalist. The Deceiver. The Lover. The Emptiness. The Truth. Etc. And I kind of wonder whether he is more of a Lover/BDSMer or a Self-Deceiver lost in it's own thoughts. Or rather I want to understand the mechanichs of how those different archetypes flow/relate. I don't know. It is a hard question to even articulate lol. Much love to you too

@Arthogaan I understand .what I meant is these kinds of questions don't usually have an end game . Because your notion of God is too loaded with anthropomorphizing God. Make up your mind Whether God is conscious agent who does things with intention and free will or just unbiased impersonal inevitable infinite flow of everything that is possible. Much love brother .deep inquiry.

We don't claim the mountains to be ours, we don't claim the ocean, the clouds, the rain the volcano to be ours. We don't claim the neighbor's dog to be ours, we don't claim that other person's body to be ours, we don't claim......and I can list to infinity, but why not, we claim passing happiness to be ours, passing suffering and impersonal joy and pain to be ours. We practice neti neti and self inquiry that says we are not the body/mind/thoughts but all of a sudden we want to own happiness, suffering, sadness, joy, bliss, even competence, confidence and every other impersonal adjective and emotion that's just minding it's business and being itself. It's my happiness, my suffering, my anger, my depression, my joy, my love, my hate, my this and my that but that's your dog.

Why this interest in the occultism? You can get only opinions and have to decide on your own if it is legit or not. Modern day Occultism is usually associated with witchcraft and black magic. But when the term came to light it was synonym with esoteric. Occultism means hidden. Exoteric is for the masses and esoteric is for the elect. Some practices/knowledge are not meant for the ego-human to have. As the ego will most likely use it for selfish gain. Selfish=black, unselfish=white. Magic = the use of spiritual/fpsychic/mental forces. Now if there is even a small self interest in the use of magic then it will automatically be black magic. So i could bless my enemies, not to humble them for my benefit, but from the knowing that they are the impersonal Self. Now I know enough of my own egoic trickery so wouldn't do that, there is always some sort of selfishsness underneat my intentions. That is why i avoid any kind of "magic", to avoid unnecessary stuff to myself/others. Obviously you didn't ask for the definition for occultism/black magic. Whether it is fake or not? It is fake spirituality. In a sense that it takes away from realizing your Self, inwhich is the bullseye of everything spiritual. If it is black magic, then maybe it can acttually take you "further" apart from the Self. Is there magic in masonry? I dont know. Haven't studied it. They maybe get connections and a community from it. Dont know if they need magic. But what would an actual black magician do with freemasonry? The magician would infiltrate the society at its beginning. Hide the spiritual knowledge by creating degrees of initation, promising more knowledge at every level, maybe sprinkling some of its true doctrines but hiding the best stuff away forever, adding meaningless rituals etc. A black magician is attracted to the light of spirituality as a moth is to light. They infiltrate and blow fairy dust in the seekers eyes. Hidding the truth, ego on steroids. The definitions above are theoretical and over a century old. There are modern definitions, but i believe they have been created by modern selfish-egos. As i go by these rules, i do not touch upon any of this stuff, as i am somewhat aware of the depth of my selfishness. I could go describe how nerves of nature/centers of energy react to thoughts but it is meaningless. As far as i am concerned it is bogus for me at the moment, and you can believe that i just took all these words from my behind. Advice: Be present in the eternal Now.

Life feeds on drama. Doesn't matter how evil you are, how controversial, hold anti-human beliefs, hatred for certain sectors of humanity, spew out racism, prejudice and promote war you will get the attention you crave. People don't fight for what they are for but what they are against. People don't focus on things that are doing well, they focus on things that are doing bad. One example of this is the Charlie Kirk thread. More power to that beast and keeping his name alive and legacy lived on by people who hated what he stood for. This is what humanity does and why people like him will continue to do what they do because they'll always get attention for it and any attention is better than none. That thread has 75,000 views in the space of 11 days. That alone should tell you something and it's still counting and going strong. So many people out there trying to do good for humanity and they go unnoticed and taken over by the ones who couldn't care less, this includes the Donald. Look how popular he is. I lost faith in the system a long time ago. There's nothing to fight for anymore only to realize life is impersonal and can go either way.

This is utterly and totally impersonal. Nothing is happening to, for against, about and witnessed by anyone. It is totally magical but not for the sense that observes itself. It's observing itself being itself and is totally oblivious to the fact that it's a mirage. Once this has totally collapsed and is seen by the seeing energy, that energy will have a total existential crises within itself. All illusion.

You cannot read up about God, learn about God, realize God, study God, prepare for God, practice God and turn God into a process. There is no God, just what's simply appearing. What energy is being, including it's silly notion of worshipping itself and trying to realize itself. Call energy God if you like because that's all God is, energy. It's happening in "real time", timelessly. It's fucking raw and unfiltered boundless and impersonal and it's immediate, meaning there's no space between anything. The reading up of God and the studying of God is also God, so this is not a teaching to say one must stop reading up on God or study God because that's also God/energy.

I feel so bad to see the delusion of equating awakening/enlightenment as supposing to bring happiness and bliss. People invent all sorts of ideas to try to feel better about this impersonal existence. Trying to cope, to have something to look forward to, hope, something other than this. This can seem like a horrible place yes, if there's someone seeming to witness it. Life isn't horrible to life, it just is and with all of the monstrosities and all. It can feel terrible, that sense of self, the sense of a separate human being that lives in a world that needs to be protected and fights to feel safe. It doesn't feel good. Feeling like one has their back up against the wall will make that individual resort to many things and humanity has faced this over and over again and has systematically constructed all sorts of things to overcome this feeling including enlightenment and awakening. When you see how the word happiness is usually used in the same sentences when speaking about liberation it's so obvious why these terms including many others were invented - to feel better about their existence. Everywhere you turn it's all about trying to feel happy, why is that?

Yes, an absolute is absolute - but do we really grasp that as itself? Or is it merely intellect? Either way, this is the problem of conflating these domains. A thing gets to exist thanks to its being limited. So when you say something like my hand, that's a particular, and this is what we call relative. Your toes aren't a cup, or a cat, or joy - they're that particular thing. Otherwise, there would be no need to distinguish it from what it is not. So here's a new thought: We live in the relative. The relative is everything. Everything you experience is relative. A thing exists in relation to what is not that thing. And then we have the so-called absolute as a possibility for us to realize. Perceiving may well be impersonal, so the fact that it occurs shouldn't be extrapolated into some observer lurking behind it. We could take a deeper approach here, but with this medium it is tricky. What is experience? What is self?

No, this is an illogical contradiction. Infinity is all; therefore, it is all. All exists. It’s really not much “deeper” than that, but experientially, it’s overwhelming haha. When Leo or we say “God must experience,” it’s just semantics; you can define it better. You have a set of all 10 numbers. That must mean 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 are included, and they must be. If they weren’t, then the set “all 10 numbers” wouldn’t be a set of all 10 numbers. The same goes for infinity. Infinity means it has all, therefore freedom and restriction, horrors and goodness, self and lack of it, etc. If infinity couldn’t contain horrors or wouldn’t want them, then it would be limited by that, and it wouldn’t be infinite or free. (Again, when I say these human things like “want to” or “experience this,” it’s anthropomorphizing infinity.) Infinity is much more “impersonal” in that way. You can think of it more as a necessity or tautology. That’s really it!

Even when I don't say this in a specific statement like the one responding to the OP, I'll be accused of saying it then, even if my remark didn't. I don't recall in my response saying, "nothing is happening and there's no one here". I recall saying nothing is personal and that there's no one in these bodies. It's quite obvious if you take the me out the picture. So obvious. If there was a person inside that body that made that post crying out for help and advice on how to deal with torture, it would fucking know exactly how to deal with the feelings that emerged. Asking advice upon advice plagues the world and people clueless about themselves and you still there's a person in these bodies that have autonomy and free will but yet keep asking others what to do about their existence. No one is in there PERIOD. It's just a bunch of ideas, stories, programs and it's all mechanical. We're like robots except robots didn't come out of a pussy or a stomach. They were borne another way that seems more impersonal and so we can't see the similarities and we're very arrogant creatures.

Doesn't matter. Youre assuming I don't feel pain and feel like a human. You're assuming I'm saying I'm a dead weight that doesn't have feelings. You're assuming that I've never had things happen to me and how I was la-de-la-da about shit. You don't know what my experience has been like. You don't know what this body has gone and been through. You think I'm just speaking like an Absolutist and going off of non-duality bullshit. Let me tell you something, you have no idea so don't tell me UNTIL IT HAS FUCKING HAPPENED TO ME. You didn't even ask me first if it has happened to me but you're saying until.....this is how I know you're just emotionally responding. Responding to who you don't know other than some forum talk. I haven't been tortured, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I have a deep understanding of what's going on here and I'm not going to fucking butter it up to suit human fucking ego like yours who just wants to feel good and be in bliss all the time. Life doesn't work that way. You're a delusional energetic structure that is part of the whole yes, but that's what makes you delusional, you have no idea who or what you are, and you want to PROJECT that unto "others". I won't let you or others drag me down into the pot of boiling water with your delusions and spiritual fantasies. Nothing specific has to happen to me for me to recognize or realize certain things. If your best argument against truth is "until it happens to you", then truth is not what you fucking seek. It's to feel, better about the impersonal experience you're having and resisting what is to soothe that miserable dis-eased egoic structure wrapped around that tightly constricted and contracted energy that is so tightly woven together it cannot free itself be cause it's too wrapped up into what it thinks it is - someone with a life that lives in a universe people and that needs to change itself and the world so it can feel good about it's non-existence and illusory nature called a fucking self. Go away and let me be. I'm not with your stupid clan of arrogant and narcissistic, delusional, neurotic clan of humans that cannot take a little suffering and always searching for some feel-good chemical to soothe that crying baby syndrome you all have because you think the world was made for you and your family to be comfortable in and be happy all the time. Life doesn't see you and your silly human games of "I wanna feel good", so go away with that and let me be in my impersonhood and take whatever life is throwing my way because I'm 'awakened' enough to realize it's not about me because I'm just imagining my personhood and I'm OK with it. It's not personal.

@Princess Arabia Remember Your words if it is ever happening to You, hopefully it never does.. This is the problem with the Absolutist such as Yourself, everything is impersonal because nothing exists, until it happens to You then everything is personal.. This is no good on the spiritual or non dual or path you describe as then the person which does exist doesn't deal with where they are right now, Blissful on the beach or being Tortured as in the end everything is Personal, hence why You will reply!

It's funny. We are playing this game and yet I know you. I have watched you over the years. And you are the very best at discerning the Absolute vs the relative. And you know that the Absolute is literally no self and no other. So why is Solipsism something different then that? Because no self or other is impersonal? Is Absolute Mind or God impersonal? You bet it is. But it's also extremely paradoxical and personal. It is sentient. And it is omniscient. And it can love. The problem God has is it just realizes it is absolutely alone. All other collapses into God. You. And you are left- sentient - alone. But that's OK. Because tomorrow you will dream again

Why does someone need to change their smoking habit or any other habit. Says you. Life is impersonal. The man was right. You're also attached to your ideas about the life and the world. One says smoke another says don't, both are attachments. No judgement either way is neutrality. That's natural.