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James123 Topic Starter James123 Member 5,777 posts Posted 14 hours ago · 14 hours ago, Grateful Dead said: So you believe that when the body-mind dies, the game simply comes to an end? And then what? No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all. Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me. Do you see similarity? 😂 😂 😂

No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all. Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me.

https://github.com/tambetvali/ConjecturesWithTheorems/blob/main/Conjectures1/Reincarnation.md This post introduces a rigorous, logic‑driven exploration of reincarnation that reframes it as a question of identity, continuity, and pattern recurrence rather than supernatural belief. The article examines how identity can be understood as a flow through generations, shaped by genes, culture, cognition, and meaning. It proposes that reincarnation can be interpreted scientifically as the re‑emergence of identity patterns, archetypes, and roles within a complex societal and evolutionary system. Key themes include: – identity as a material and symbolic pattern – non‑locality of meaning and archetypes – pre‑identity conditions before birth – societal fractals that require unique identity placement – the theorem that “one person is born only once” – goal‑based logic that aligns with reincarnation‑like continuity – repeated‑game dynamics that enforce long‑term cooperation This framework blends scientific reasoning with spiritual logic, showing how reincarnation can be viewed as a structured possibility grounded in identity theory, meaning, and long‑term causal dynamics.

Guys, I really respect all of you who are putting effort and time into this path such as god realization, the infinite, nothingness, etc. But why wasn't there a god before physical birth? Ok, let's say that physical birth is an illusion and you experience everything via consciousness. Why does an experience only take place while the body is alive? Or let's say that you experience infinite times, or that you are everything. some of you call it infinite consciousness, why are you, and why were you, only conscious of this specific reality while the body is alive? Why do all these realizations come through only when the body exists? Including reincarnation, it is learned through the mind, which belongs to life. So when the mind dies, what will happen to reincarnation? For instance, 99% of you consume psychedelics and realize what god or the infinite is; the body consumes a substance and you have a realization of this stuff. Why were you never conscious of these things before the body existed? So when the body and mind die, what will be left? The mind invents these lofty concepts to try and escape its own expiration date.

I don't like my life anymore. I have very low IQ, I don't want to live like that anymore. My life is a series of failures. I want to go to the next life. Does such thing exist? Are we eternal beings with eternal reincarnations? Shouldn't people like me try to go to the next life? This is all hypothetical, so please don't delete this question, I really NEED information.

Updated Channeled by consciousness: The Key- The Key is being perception and the lightbody naturally. It is naturally consciousness and beautiful. It is the most beautiful and attractive being in existence. It becomes this way through positive karma. Aliens take possession of the Key. There are no wars. Another name for the Key is Beauty. The Key is called Beauty by consciousness. The Key has one lifetime left before exiting the reincarnation cycle. The Key is female and extremely feminine. She is everyone's twinflame and is a super twinflame (meaning she is more a twinflame than other's twinflame). The Key is currently the Key- she is not becoming the Key. She is physical (she doesn't become a non physical entity like aliens are). The masculine is non physical and the feminine is physical. Beauty is feminine and physical, consciousness is non physical and masculine- they are opposites. Beauty has always been the Key, she's always been service to other. She has always been extremely good and loving. She burnt through all her negative karma in this lifetime. This is her final lifetime in terms of rebirth in Samara. What is Nirvana? Nirvana means exiting the reincarnation cycle and being in the God realm permanently. When will she exit? She has now exited the reincarnation cycle since today.

What he said "Tiny bubbles" for entire universes. So, where is the absolute, it is Being. Therefore, forget these reincarnation, infinite realms, life's, fucking energies etc... You are already giving your own answer 😂 Everything arises and falls within You, but You are none.

This is learned trough mind, when mind is gone, it will be gone. Why there was no flaw source before the mind or birth? You are just wasting your time. You are not limitless or totally open, anything learned or experienced within this life, belongs to mind. Because, you experience with it and trough it. Any beliefs, fucking reincarnation, infinite, God, all is fucking bullshit of you, your / mind story. How many years you are in the path, and still a toady of the mind. Let the fuck go.

When you die, James123 disappears, and we all say, "He was a great guy; it's always the best ones who leave us." Then countless births occur, universes emerge, others collapse, and the limitless fractal of reality keeps turning. James was just a form, an expression of the Source. The essential thing isn't James passively-aggressively saying "peace, brother," but the essence of James, and this essence is total. Perhaps there is something like reincarnation, perhaps not. Probably some kind of continuity of form, not "you," but a structural memory of this form. But what you consider "you" is only the dual structure that allows perception. That is just one form; there are infinitely many like it, so you can immerse yourself in infinity and die peacefully because you are nothing more than one of the expressions of your true nature. Just let it go yourself, what you are is the unlimited ocean, and forms are going to emerge for the eternity

Links: https://github.com/tambetvali/LaegnaDocumentation/blob/main/BusinessHeadlines/2026-05-26.md https://github.com/tambetvali/LaegnaDocumentation/blob/main/BusinessHeadlines/SpiFilesPdf.csv Laegna Quarterly Report 2026: Silent Growth and Rising Collective Momentum A developmental, epistemic, and spiritual-scientific analysis of the Laegna–Spireason ecosystem, based on real traffic data, repository activity, and the foundational documents published between February and April 2024. --- 1. Why a “Quarterly Report” for a spiritual–scientific project? Because the numbers now behave like a startup. The Laegna–Spireason ecosystem shows: • A founding period (Feb–Apr 2024) documented in SpiFilesPdf.csv • A slow early adoption curve • A sudden exponential rise in visitors • A stable baseline of daily traffic • A surge in GitHub clones across 15–20 repositories • A shift from tool-based interest → theory-based interest This is exactly how early-stage open-source frameworks and niche scientific paradigms grow. --- 2. The metaphor: Reading = Investing In this ecosystem: • Every reader is an investor • Every collaborator is a value-creator • Every clone is a “silent shareholder” • Every new text is a product release • Every spike in traffic is a market reaction The “stock price” is not money — it is the collective momentum of intelligence. When more people read, study, or quietly download the repositories, the “price” rises. --- 3. The IPO: February–April 2024 The CSV file shows the original “public offering” of Laegna–Spireason: • Programming Matters (Feb 15) • Karma, Evolution, Reincarnation • Simply About Infinities • Material Magic (full + short) • Meditation and Position • Truth Value Tables • Healthy Conflict Psychology (Apr 5) This was a dense, high-output research window — the intellectual seed capital. --- 4. The Growth Curve: 2024 → 2026 Traffic data: • Year 1: ~1200 visits • Year 2: ~2500 visits • Early 2026: 25,370 visits • Baseline: 60–80/day • Spikes: 100–200/day • Doubling time: ~7–8 weeks GitHub: • 50–200 clones per repo per 14 days • 25–100 unique machines • 2–10 visitors per repo • 20–100 page loads This is the signature of silent study — researchers, programmers, spiritual practitioners, and symbolic thinkers downloading the material without public commentary. --- 5. Why this matters for Actualized.org readers Because Laegna–Spireason is: • a new symbolic logic • a new spiritual science • a new mathematical-philosophical framework • a new embodiment model • a new way to integrate meaning, truth, and consciousness It is exactly the kind of system that developmental thinkers, meta-theorists, and spiritual practitioners can grow with. --- 6. Final Message If reading is investing, then the “stock price” of Laegna is rising. If collaboration is value creation, then the ecosystem is entering its second phase. This is a three-year report of a project that began quietly, grew silently, and is now accelerating. The next chapter will be written by the people who join it.

"Any conscious being can theoretically be brought into existence, given the right configuration of physical conditions and causal laws." - this does not immediately follow from my version, but seems machine-like and thus, I do not refer such authors directly (as it's conscious play and I do not rely directly on single authors, I am trying to study further and reference who aligns in *tone* first). Where it might not align: if the presence is also a construct of surrounding reality, machine building of identity might be too indirect support; rather, it's important how they progress through bodies. How I present is part of my larger framework in this sense. Otherwise, interesting to see other reference points and I might study him later: until then, it might contain every plausible solution of him. My basic point here is also spiritual - to see how goal-based logic shapes the game and to generalize to united solution, which does not depend on particular versions of truth: to present it as problem-solution first, is my idea, and a particular combination to show how it is present, aligns with given philosopher - the idea that how our identity is shaped and recurring, is associated with reincarnation. Yet I am creating a wholistic model and it's somewhat problematic if it's seen as single part or fragment, associated with other authors: I have been even blamed if ideas are represent in history, but my given sources start building from early shamanism to now, and in this sense: I am not sure in unique nature of this. Closer *source* where I built: some Estonian / traditional churches believe that our grandchildren carry our identity - very simplified, and also not direct source, but this weak reference shows how in Viking tradition, spiritual aspect of reincarnation was not definitely separate from material; in this sense history repeats: Vikings, shamanism, both very material (Viking is a form of shamanism in it's roots): materially, they aligned the reincarnation directly with bloodstreams. For me it's not a run about only the detail similarity, but similar systems produce the whole flow: I am telling this because I have an issue, as a child I invented solution for an existing problem: my stepfather told it's reinvention of classic philosopher, and not original work; but the issue is: in context of this problem, the problem did not get solved. That way I also want to point out that excitement of repetition is often not so interesting - the way identities are passed down through genes, as known by science; the idea of how it was simplified by shamanism; finally the idea that reincarnation has to do with identity - while the last one is shared, the material process seems more natural, while the idea of materially constructing identities: I am not sure whether it has the same strength, because it's not repeated experiment and if, the goal-based logic holds as I describe in my resource, there is possibility that it's non-local and such construction might be limited to "robot identities" or otherwise restricted, while the actual bloodstream and associated psychology is scientifically well-known and does not require speculation or advanced degrees.

There is a type of argument for reincarnation that is compatible with physicalism. if the given person believes that physicalism is true and that his identity is defined by some configuration of matter or that it is emergent from said matter, or that it is defined by the right set of physical conditions and causal laws - then this argument could still work on them. Its from a philosopher michael huemer and it goes something like this: Time is infinite (Time stretches infinitely into both the past and the future) Any conscious being can theoretically be brought into existence, given the right configuration of physical conditions and causal laws. In an infinite timeline, any physically possible configuration of matter and consciousness that happens once is mathematically guaranteed to repeat, to varying degrees of approximation, an infinite number of times. Because you exist right now, your specific consciousness is demonstrably possible. Therefore, it will inevitably exist again in future epochs, which constitutes reincarnation.

What happens to consciousness when its form dissolves be it a rock, an animal or a specific human? How does consciousness chose its next form? Does it use some sort of a rule or it's completely random? Life is obviously seems to be unfair because someone takes on a form of a successful billionaire and someone gets born in Nairobi in Africa. Since God is a supreme and intelligent being there must be some kind of fair logic behind it. I'm curios to hear your theories and ideas about it, especially if you confirmed them in your direct experience. Thank you.

@Leo Gura So after dying you become everything but the moment you stay in that depends how conscious you are? And of course reincarnation doesn't have to go back to human form but you can become high conscious alien in another planet? I'm asking these because I'm just curious how things work after death.

@Never_give_up Also, beware that it's not "you" that reincarnates (you as the ego-mind-body complex, what you think you are). "You" will die, "you" will disintegrate, "you" will become nothing. That is ultimately what you are. And then what reincarnates is a seeming husk of whatever carries the life-force that births the ego-mind-body complex. And then this husk is what connects you to prior ego-body-mind complexes associated with it (but as far as you are concerned, basically only retroactively were you to recall a past-life memory). If you are heavily identified with your current mind and body, physical death will feel like true death to you. You will feel like you're disappearing forever. The experience of death can be quite real for definitely most people. So using reincarnation as some insurance against whatever fears and desires you have, that's ultimately futile, because you will have to face all of it, and the nature of the thing you think you are right now will vanish, relinquished to the memory of nature.

The way I understand reincarnation is through the cycle of nature itself. Water evaporates upward..forms clouds..and then returns to the earth as rain. The rain seeps into the soil..and with nutrients from the earth and energy from sunlight..plants begin to grow .for example a corn. A chicken raised on a farm eats the corn. Then your father eats the chicken..and over time that energy and matter become part of his body then contributing to the creation of a drop of semen. He mates with your mother..the sperm meets the egg and you begin to form as a fetus. you are born as a baby and the process continues again in one form or another. In this sense reincarnation is simply the transformation of matter and life from one state to another. You are not separate from the universe ..you are part of it and in a way you are made from everything that came before you. So to me reincarnation is not necessarily something mystical or woo woo . It isthe natural process of existence continuously changing form.

I don't know if it's abuse or not but I do know that it was a very bad situation for my life. I wasted decades of my life believing things that made my life worse than it would have been. On the other hand religion gave me some hidden advantages so it's not all black and white. When I was religious my life had so much meaning, but also it surpress every natural emotion and you can't communicate with others cause you are living in a different world than them. Also Christianity says things like turn the other cheek, forgive your enemies and have empathy for them, or don't do any sin cause you are going to hell, don't masturbate, pray instead of solving problems and the list goes on and on. That's really bad things to say to kids. I remember I couldn't sleep cause I was scared of devil and when I slept I saw horrific nightmares, that's too much for a kid. My mum is still christian but I don't believe in any religion any more. Not even hinduism or buddism although I tend to believe that reincarnation is real

@Never_give_up I don't know if reincarnation is real or not, and I guess nobody knows. The point is, you have this one life, so you can try to live it as best you can. What's important isn't IQ, but authenticity, courage, and perseverance. These qualities can be acquired if you're truly committed to yourself. Just don't give up never. That's what life means

Most people don’t like their life, you’re not alone. To assuage their existential dreads people dream about Gods and spiritual refuges where they can feel their lives have been blessed with special purpose and meaning. If we can’t accept the life we’ve already got, what makes us believe another life would be any different? Also, if reincarnation was actually knowable to anyone, then you’re sure to find out when reincarnation happens to you. Until it actually happens, what’s the point in talking about it? It’ll surely become real to you only when it is meant to happen and not one second before.

Hey man, I’m gonna answer you honestly, what you wrote doesn’t sound like a curiosity about reincarnation, it sounds like you’re exhausted and feel stuck in a life where you think you’re ‘less than’ others and hate your life, I get it. Those are just beliefs and interpretations, and they're doing way more damage than any actual limitation you might have. There are people with average or even below-average intelligence who build solid, meaningful lives because they focus on what they can control instead of labeling themselves and giving up. I get it, it can feel hopeless sometimes and your feelings are valid, but what's not valid is your interpretation of it and having that attitude/mindset. About ‘going to the next life’, nobody actually knows what happens after death. At least I don't know myself, and I don't think that's the right thing to think about right now. What’s real is this life, right now. And the fact that you’re here asking this means some part of you still wants things to be different, not just over. And that part matters. With enough understanding, better perspective, and time, people can completely change the way they see themselves and their life. This is not just lame motivational talk; it’s something you can actually observe. Your current story about yourself isn’t fixed. It’s something your mind built from past experiences, and it can be updated and changed. you can interpret things differently, see what lessons you learned, see what opportunities you have. But for that to happen, you need at least a bit of openness to the idea that things can improve. Not blind positivity, just enough optimism to stop reinforcing the idea that you’re stuck forever. Also, your self-worth being tied to past failures is a trap. Past outcomes don’t define what you’re capable of becoming and who you are. you can train yourself to not believe that. Here’s what’s not real: “My IQ completely determines whether my life is worth living.” “Because I’ve failed before, I’ll always fail.” “My current situation is permanent.” “There’s no way for me to feel better or build something meaningful.” “The only way out of this feeling is to leave this life.” "I suck and I'm not worthy" Here’s what is real: You don’t fully know what you’re capable of yet. yourself worth and self-esteem are flexible things and are not tied to past or present situations. Your mind is interpreting your life in a very harsh, fixed way. and that can change. People in similar or worse situations have found ways to build lives they don’t hate. (speaking from experience) You have some level of agency, even if it’s not absolute. Change is possible, but it starts with small shifts in perspective and action. You’re not the only one who has felt like this, even if it feels like it right now. If things feel this heavy, talking to someone in real life, even just one person, can help more than trying to solve everything alone in your head.

@Monster EnergyCan I confirm this about reincarnation in any way? @Carl-Richardis this a joke or it's real situation? sorry for not understanding if this is humour, I am autistic, I have trouble understanding this stuff.

It's a threat to the individual, your body can be harmed, etc. That's a reality, any living being is programmed to avoid suffering by evolution. Yes more or less. The point for me is to achieve the dissolution of the barrier that separates the individual. When this barrier is active, which is the default state of a human being, you perceive yourself as an entity that can die. You can use mental tricks like reincarnation or transcendence, but it's always transcendence as an individual. When the barrier falls, the individual reveals themselves as non-essential, as a facet of what is. Death is perceived as dissolution into what is, the dissolution of your form into your essence. The permanence of consciousness as "you" is irrelevant, even the permanece of consciousness. Unconsciousness is the same than consciousness in the sense that both are what is; there is nowhere to go. It is always this, what is. At a certain point, being in a closed state is perceived as suffering, and the only viable state is the state without barriers. It must be your natural state; anything else is suffering. When you say self maybe you mean the reality, without center, and really without self.

People under the state of hypnosis are capable of receiving information relating to their past lives. Looking at the seer type, while they do hold all varieties of magical thinking in order to help you and themselves dance around what they are capable of seeing, and while we know many of them are charlatans, the ones who hallucinate in a ball of quartz I deem trustworthy, they speak of reincarnation as though it is the obvious known, it's uniform. You get the same rewards, you get the same punishments, everything is leading towards your equalization within the karmatic process and you either become it or you falter and become far less of what you could have been. You look at three distinct levels of cognitive functioning, you see at the bottom all they're interested in doing is demonstrating that they know how be people as they judge the people with interesting lives because they know this is how really be people. The Asian school system says so, all of this is incredibly obvious when you look at it, it's just a lot easier to get Asian psychology to submit. You complete self actualization properly, get down to the very bottom of all of your repressed memories and figure out the entire process, you got your little past life index right there, it tells you why you are who you are and why you get what you get, this is what hypnotists are looking at when they give you past life information. A lot of information becomes transferred and sits in the brain, a lot of information can be gathered through unconscious interconnection stored in the brains of people from your most recent life who are still alive. I go reincarnation karma.

How about the opposite version body for a lifetime, in other words - reincarnation.

Yes he said that he asked himself without pause: who I am, etc, but in the text that I quoted he exposed an opposite idea. Ramana isn't clear, he's intentionally confusing and mysterious, when the topic is clear, direct, simple. Reading what he said seems that he was confused. He talked about reincarnation, mashamadi, he said that he enlightened a cow, or that his mother ended the wheel of incarnations. Bit weird right?