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My biggest complaint is that we are torturing hundreds of millions of individuals every year and the vast majority of progressives would rather virtue signal about left-over racism or identity politics than do anything measurable about this unacceptable state of affairs. What is going on right now is the equivalent of people focusing on feminist issues while millions of jews are holocausted, with nobody batting an eye at that. Sure, all of these things are important, but we can't obsessively only talk about them for years and years on and in the most inflammatory way imaginable and just continue to get deadlocked in the same culture war indefinitely. It's the fact that most progressies have no capacity to see humanity in those they frame as bigots while they themselves allow no room for progressive thought that extends the circle of compassion or threatens the validity of their socially sanctioned pet projects. I already explained to you that I consider myself a radical progressive. My issue with progressive never was that they are too progressive, but that they are not progressive enough. I have a problem with a dominant subgroup of progressives who they are toxic, childish, mentally ill, ideologicall captured, ineffective and absurdly hypocritical while feeling self-righteous about all of it. They are actively making progress harder to achieve for practically minded individuals. Most importantly they have distorted the foundations of what progressivism is and turned it into an ideological recruitment machine for outrage against bigotry (and only the kind of bigotry that is socially sanctioned to hate on). Progress should be about expanding people's identities, not contract them by threatening and attacking it constantly. As soon as you label someone a bigot and attack them, their identity not only gets locked it, but grows and feels it needs to defend itself. You don't get rid of Christianity by attacking Christianity, by mocking it, by victimizing, but simply by giving better alternatives. And this is precisely what progressies have failed at. They have given us certain freedoms, they have deconstructed traditional notions, and they have never truly bothered to give us something that replaced, improves upon what we have abandoned. This is why people like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate exist. People are lost, you calling them bigots and hating on them will not going to help them get out of that situation. The reason why people stopped being Christian is because it wasn't cool to be Christian. Christianity wasnt offering people anything, it was restricting people. Today, the tragedy is that the opposite is the case. Progressive culture is so absurdly toxic and unhealthy that for the average joe, living a traditional Christian life likely yields better results for their personal lifes. Look at how many young people are attracted by stage blue today. People need to transition through these stages, and if you don't offer them a healthy way to do so, they will go back to religion and whatever toxic sludge that comes with that.

Nice passive aggressive remark. Still avoiding responding with substance, I see.

It's a circle Leo. We all die.

Ah, there we go. Your mind twisted it around so you can avoid the critique and pretend I am somehow repeating white nationalist talking points by showcasing that your obsession with human issues actually reveals the presence of a far greater form of discrimination rooted in your human supremacist identity. The reality is that the difference between a white supremacist and the average progressive is marginal on a moral and development level, and you are showcasing this marginal difference as we speak.

You just have no idea what an actual racist culture looks like. You are spoiled. Xenophobia and racial stereotyping is not the same as racism or white supremacy. Having racists in your society does not make your society racist or racism a profound problem. If you want to understand what true discrimination looks when like when it actually reaches such isms, look no further than what we do to animals. In that case you can say we live in a speciesist society, that our culture is human supremacist and that this is a profound moral emergency that must be corrected and for which our society will be viewed equivalent to the worst transgressors in history. But hey, who cares, a few humans dying here and there and being discriminated against is more important than putting an end to biblical hell on earth that we have constructed with our own hands. The reality is that you are delusional. You have no conception of your own evil, of what evil societies are capable of and how privileged you are no matter what race you are in western societies. And next, you will proceed to justify this evil with whatever nonsense your identity will come up with to protect itself from the glaring disparity between your own perceived moral superiority and the reality of your selfishness.

Ultimately, the acceptance of total formlessness is the acceptance of all form, all finitude. This means bias is acceptance, resistance is acceptance, suffering is acceptance. The unbiasedness of God is the bias of all things. You frame things from Leo's perspective. From God's perspective, you are Ultimate Consciousness, you are the direct result of it. Really, you are it, not even the result. The act of dreaming requires total formlessness, it requires total consciousness.

Ethnic cleansing isn't happening in the western world. And no, racism has been mostly overcome. You can't put all your energy into eliminating the residues when you know that will cause more resistance than good in the first place. The reality is that residue xenophobia will take centuries to be fully removed from society as it slowly progresses and resolves systemic issues. We can't be obsessing over this one thing for all that time. And no, ethnic cleansings are irrelevant compared to what is happening in every major western city right now. No, it has not merely been exposed. You have made identities out of these things that will now maintain their own survival. You have created resistance where you should have resolved resistance. You don't make people less racist by making racists the enemy of the state, if that's half your nation. That's a childish approach. If racism was an important issue, then what progressives have been doing is an atrocity in and of itself. But most progressives themselves are supremacists who care little about genuine moral progress. For the most part it's a ideological circle jerk.

These sorts of terms kill practical politics, and should have been abandoned in 2016 when it was obvious that they just alienated a majority of individiuals. Either way, what exactly are the tactics we should employ to resist the Trump administration?

They are nonsense issues compared to other issues we give zero consideration to, that are morally more urgent than any atrocity that has ever occured in human history. The amount of attention we give those issues is absurd, and the way we handle them is even more absurd. By all accounts, we have been making people more racist and transphobic in the past 4 years because of how clumsy the handling of these issues have been. You should check if you have a brain aneurysm if that's what you got from what I said.

I don't see how this adds anything meaningful to what I said?

If you distort the meanings of those words sufficiently, it might be.

No, I have several non-political spaces in which progressives are active in which I can see these dynamics play out. Several of my progressive friends think the Charlie Kirk assassination was positie and that terrorism is justified for the greater good. But this issue has been going on for literal years, progressives have been insufferably brain-rotted for a decade now. And they don't even stand on the right side of history is the worst of it. It's only their pet progressive issues that matter. Today it's I/P, and tomorrow it will be whatever else they get activated into getting outraged about.

Yes but that is not the problem with progressives. The problem with progressives is, if you ever actually were in a social space in which they dominate, is that if you step out of the ideological bounds of whatever they currently deem the moral imperative of the universe that you will be pressured into agreeing with them not through understanding and expansion of empathy but through sheer peer enforcement. Words like racist, fascist, transphobe, sexist, white-supremacist etc have been employed at basically every occasion it was feasible to do so, often times against people engaging in things that are just normal to them. You can't get moral progress this way, because people actually have to expand their identity. If you do it all through peer pressure, it leads to a contraction and conditional moral behavior. You can't force people into empathy, it just doesn't work this way. I truly despise progressives, because I consider myself an actual progressive. I believe there are issues of such importance that every day we keep focusing on nonsense issues like trans rights or racism we basically are causing the equivalent of the holocaust. To me, people actually are akin to nazis. In fact the average joe to me is more akin to a interdimensional child-eating pedophile nazi, yet I can compose myself, be the adult in the room and realize that this won't change by me screeching at everyone by calling them human supremacist and pressuring them all to care about animal rihts. It just doesn't work. We are so far from solving these issues because all of this pure mental illness is just infecting everything and everyone around me. I have to listen to their mental diarrhea and watch how they self-righteously ruin all potential for progress while they don't realize they aren't better than the so-called fascists they themselves criticize. Look at what happened to Ana Kasparian, she stated that she was basically uncomfortable with homeless people roaming the streets and the danger of getting attacked after she was molested by one and progressives lashed out at her as if she was Hitler 2.0, and now she has actually become an ally of the Trumpists.

You deny that progressives have been trying to get people to act in line through various means of demonization and shaming?

This is what happens when you create a progressive culture that attempts to force moral progress through tactics grounded in fear and shaming. The reason why things like cancel culture have been so profoundly destructive is because it teaches individuals to fall in line for self-preservation. If you do not act according to the rules of the progressives, you will be socially ostracized. I don't know if people still remember how insane things have been 8 years ago, but progressives were completely intolerable lunatics who were constantly getting together to socially shame people for the mildest things imaginable. The problem with this is that even if you get people to behave well, it is not going to be grounded in anything resembling ethical progress. Instead of having focused on making people more empathetic so that they see why doing some of these things is wrong, you focused on making them scared to say whatever you don't want them to say. Moral behavior becomes a function of a contracted ego that seeks self-preservation (avoidance of shame, for example), meaning people become more and more selfish instead of more and more empathetic. Once you remove the stimulus of shame or it simply loses it's power because people realize that everyone around them is fed up with the tyranny of the progressives, all of the moral progress you have will be erased immediately. People never cared about minorities, they only cared about not being called a racist. And this is what killed the progressive movement and what caused this absurd backlash, put on steroid through social media. And people still have not learned. Both sides are now even more immature than they have been a decade ago.