Ishanga

I have a scale, 0-10, 0 is Peace, 10 is Ecstasy, Bliss is 9, Bliss can be said to be the feeling of Infinite Love or God.. All of this is just a matter of Intensity of Experience.. Below 0 is Depression, Anger, Bitterness, Anxiety, Stress... One of not even capable of Spiritual Pursuits if they are below 0 on the scale, it very very hard to go from a Suffering state to an Enlightened State, its possible but very hard.. So the first step is to get to 0, which means Your Peaceful naturally, no need for outside stimuli to make You Peaceful or Happy/Joyful, get to that point and I think everything else will happen allot more naturally and smoothly!

There is a concept called Wu Wei in Traditional Daoism, it basically means Non Doing.. Sadhguru talks about this allot too, one method he promotes to use is putting yourself in a room, no tv, no computer, no phone, no books, and You just sit there, within a few hours he says You will find out what the problems are in your life, the mind will be exposed... So Non Doing is a path onto itself, Non Doing relates to Nothing is Happing, No One is here, which in Absolute Terms means we are all One, Everything is Complete, if everything is One and Complete then what is there to Do and how is there One to Do anything? Problem is most are very identified and caught up in Body and Mind and all the unconscious Activity/Actions taking place, they have to deal with that first, before going the Non Doing, Nothing is Here, No One is here becomes available to them, some may have it naturally but I think most do not..

That is the whole point, from what I know Buddha realized he didn't have to put himself thru the Sufferings to have Realization, as it was always there (as a Potential).. The work is to rid oneself of the barriers to Realization, there are many barriers, its called Karma, which is the residual imprint of all the actions You have taken, Body/Mind/Emotion/Energy actions, how Aware are You of all the actions taking place in these areas of Your Life on a moment to moment basis? Most are less than 1% aware, so therefore they are living by accident, karma is ruling them, but a Human Being is capable of being Totally Aware, this bypasses the Karmic Substance. Suffering only exists in two places, Body and Mind, once You know You are neither of these things, Suffering ceases to exist...

Humans, like all matter are just specks, tiny objects that are born and eventually die, we created the words and concepts (by which most all are addicted to via their addiction to intellect and meaning and definitions etc), Truth or Reality was there long before we came around and will be there long after we are all gone... It is just we can be in touch with it, Experience up to a certain level, merge with it like a drop of the Ocean going back into the Ocean..

Spirituality is not wrong, its just misinterpreted and used wrongly as most things are today, everything that is created that is empowering for a Human Being or all Life, eventually when it gets organized and mass produced or shared gets corrupted, because most human beings are corrupted in some way or form. What is Human Nature anyways? Most of it is Karma passed along thru the lifetimes and the present day conditioning that is promoted in everything that our Culture produces.. True Spirituality does not deny anything, it just tells You that You are not this thing You are cling to, the thing that is causing you Pain or Joy, Love or Hate, Success or Failure, rather it says it is just a game, and that You are in control of it, but its a matter of How Conscious/Unconscious You are of this process and that there is more Potential within You to not let it affect You current State unless You want it too...

@Eskilon I like to promote the Peace or Bliss path as I like to call it vs. this path of insanity or austerity or other paths that too me mean allot of suffering involved.. First, don't concern Yourself with this term or thing we call "Awakening" or Enlightenment or such higher up concepts, just be concerned with where You are at right now and take baby steps. The first baby step is establishing some stability in some ways, making Yourself Physically Healthy, Mentally/Emotionally in a pleasant state of Peacefulness, and Your Energies are free of blockages and are Intense in Your Experience... If You do this, and Suffering becomes practically impossible for You (Pain is always possible, but Pain is not the same as Suffering), then naturally Your Potentials will open up, Kundalini will rise up, what You found interesting before will no longer be interesting to You since Your becoming more Aware and Conscious of what it means to be Human. There are many techniques out there to make this process happen very smoothly, why reinvent the wheel when we have proven ways to make Yourself Peaceful, Healthy and full of Well Being...

lol, the Rishis, Mystics and Gurus have been sharing the information for Millenia, very few listen...nothing here on this forum or shared elsewhere is completely New, its builds upon itself and adapts for the ppl that are here today, what Buddha Taught and Shared was good for that time space, it helps now too but things have to be for what is here today, and the varied Human Being personalities, karma types, and conditioning processes going on now!

Well like I've always said to You, Your half right in many ways... On one level there is nothing happening here, and no one to have it happen too, that is the Absolute perspective, but there is also the Relative perspective, and right now there are 8 Billion + Relative Perspectives, its important on a certain level, as it the Absolute Perspective, both have their place.. My place in this context is practicality, and functioning on the Human level (not the Being Level), while trying to make life and its situations more healthy, peaceful/blissful and mor empowered so someone can access more Potential in their lives and function more from the Human or Absolute Level...

Whether its peeing or any other body or mind function, most ppl live it Compulsively, and this is one of the definitions of Karma, Karma is in play on many levels within a person, peeing is just one bodily function that is happening on autopilot, but there are ppl that do not have to pee if they don't want to, as there are ppl that can slow or even stop their heart beating, or breathing or most any other bodily or mind function, they have total control over those aspects of themselves, but these are masters per say they've spent many years cultivating these abilities. Most all ppl today live Compulsively, meaning they don't know any of the actions taking places on the 4 levels of Action, Body, Mind, Emotion and Energy, which makes up most of the Human aspect of what we are... Decisions are not just happening, they are being made, I choose to believe or buy into something completely contrary to what You believe (that no one is here, nothing is happening etc,), I believe there is someone here, billions of someones, and there is lots happening here, your belief (for lack of a better word) is one possibility, you've chosen it for whatever reason, visa versa for what i buy into, those are "Choices" being made, not just happening!!

The very fact that there are various opinions, beliefs, understandings, experiences of Reality as it is (all this indicates a range of possibilities) proves that Free Will exists, ppl are choosing what to believe, think, understand and experience, its only a matter of how Conscious You are of this process (again its Karma at play, whether You believe in Karma or not it exists, you couldn't function, type, start posts, reply to posts without karma existing).. Why have Free Will? Because Life goes allot more smoothly when You are aware of Your Free Will abilities and it allows You to reach higher up Potentials within Yourself (think Homeless/Broke/Addicted vs. Thriving/Creative Energy/Peace/Blissful naturally).. Deny it all You want, nothing will happen in Your life if You don't have the basics set, basics are ability to use Free Will and Peaceful nature...

Ok,, By the way that is a choice, if there are options available then choice is available, I have my karma, guru and free will, and You have nothing, that is choice as stated above which indicates Free Will...

Where's Your Proof that Free Will/Responsibility doesn't exist?? Are we all just to take Your word as absolute Truth, I don't think so...

@PurpleTree You've been responding (response ability) to all these responses to your OP, prove positive that Free Will and Response Ability exists, most do not even fathom this in their life, but everything that is happening to them within themselves Experientially is either a reaction or response, reaction is Unconsciousness (like walking around with a blindfold on), responding is Consciousness (walking around with eyes wide open). Anyone that has more than one post here proves that Free Will and Response Ability exists lol.. It comes at various levels, Karma is at play (the Tendencies and Habits/Conditioning) that is ruling Your life, the more You are Unconscious of Your Karma, the less Free Will/Responsibility You have, and visa versa.. The main thing with Free Will is not about having total control of Life situations, but Total Control of Your Life Experience, the Greatest Spiritual Master, all knowing, all Seeing, all Experiencing can still be hit by a car and die by accident.. So Free Will is our basic Capability, to not exert even a bit of it is tragedy...

I've dealt with Suicide in my family, my nephew at 25 died by suicide, it devastated the family for a very long time.. I'm myself at low times have had suicidal ideations, and even at times now with some challenges I am going thru, its not like I want to kill myself, its a matter of not wanting to really exist, as I don't have the courage I think to really harm myself.. From what I understand, ppl go into trance like states and then they do it, my nephew had a drinking and drug problem at the time he did it, I don't have those issues at all.. My issue feels more like I don't want to play this "Human" game anymore, as I am aware of this present game set up, how the world works and I don't want to be involved with it anymore, I'm more into a Mayasamadhi sort of feeling than suicide, but I can't do that now because of personal responsibilities, Wife and a Daughter and family sort of thing, I wouldn't want to put them thru that like it was with my nephew as the family suffers allot as well when the person is gone and all the Why's and such coming up and if anyone could have done something to prevent it..

I wouldn't say its the only way, but it is a way!