Solipsism proof : experience isn't divided nor limited

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

And yet you do believe there is or at least might be stuff outside your experience, don't you

There can be...if you imagine it....which is what duality is. To deny that possibility is to place a limitation on infinity.

[Loveeee]

22 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

There can be...if you imagine it....which is what duality is. To deny that possibility is to place a limitation on infinity.

Yeah just like Santa exists, as a concept

But I'm talking about actuality not concepts and beliefs 

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Yeah just like Santa exists, as a concept

But I'm talking about actuality not concepts and beliefs 

You are creating more distinction again. This is a game of subtlety you both need concepts and don't need concepts. Remember I said, you need HONESTY to understand this. Before a person awakens is there an experience of separation or not separation? Seperation/Duality.

And did this duality not feel real? Yes. Okay and upon removing that veil and experiencing Oneness what remained? Both the experience of Oneness and the conceptual experience of duality. What was the conceptual experience of duality? The understand of conception remained, but the experience of the conception stayed. And also the world and all of its creatures treat me like an other, but I am aware that I am ONE with them.

You see? This is why I said, YOU HAVE TO BE HONEST!!! Honesty, Honesty, Honesty!!! Stop trying to say how things SHOULD BE according to your calculations. What is it actually in your experience.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[not-a-faerie]

I simply wonder if there are things I could never experience. I simply wonder if there are things I can never imagine. If there are, I would never know as such.

 

[Loveeee]

11 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You are creating more distinction again. This is a game of subtlety you both need concepts and don't need concepts. Remember I said, you need HONESTY to understand this. Before a person awakens is there an experience of separation or not separation? Seperation/Duality.

And did this duality not feel real? Yes. Okay and upon removing that veil and experiencing Oneness what remained? Both the experience of Oneness and the conceptual experience of duality. What was the conceptual experience of duality? The understand of conception remained, but the experience of the conception stayed. And also the world and all of its creatures treat me like an other, but I am aware that I am ONE with them.

You see? This is why I said, YOU HAVE TO BE HONEST!!! Honesty, Honesty, Honesty!!! Stop trying to say how things SHOULD BE according to your calculations. What is it actually in your experience.

Don't overthink this

Your current experience is all there is, everything else is by definition concept and belief 

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, Loveeee said:

Don't overthink this

Your current experience is all there is, everything else is by definition concept and belief 

You experience concept and belief how can you KNOW concept and belief unless you experience. Right now you experiencing your DENIAL of concept and belief as separate from experience and thus you trap yourself in more delusion because you believe in logic. Reality is TRANSLOGICAL!!

You admit everything, all biases, biases are concepts if you deny biases are real then you deny reality!!!! I'm not overthinking it, you DEMONIZE THINKING. Reality is a dream, is a dream separate from a thought? Saying its a dream is the SAME as saying its all thought!!! Honesty, Honesty, you guys are so paradigm locked.

I can jump between any perspective, you guys hold onto perspectives and then accuse me of doing what you are doing. HAHHA yall are funny. I know what you you think, but you don't know what I think...so who is the one confused? Stop creating grounds, there are NO GROUNDS. It can be however it wants to be!!!

[Razard86]

You guys don't even realize the camps you create. You have those who demonize all concepts, you have those who demonize Absolute Solipsism, You have those who demonize Infinity of Gods, You have those who demonize thinking at all, and I'm sitting here laughing because you guys says Infinity has no limits, then construct limits and say you figure it out, when I challenge those limits you get scared and tell me I'm wrong, then when I say it has limits, those who believe it doesn't have limits tell me I'm wrong. Yet the irony is....I see and understand all of yall perspectives, but yall are totally confused.

Stop trying to prove a perspective wrong, seek to understand ALL PERSPECTIVES. God= ALL PERSPECTIVES. If you seek to expand, seek to understand. All I do is push you to expand, and instead you fight me. LOL. Yall love planting flagposts in an ocean. 

Infinity of Gods is true, Infinity of God is not true, Absolute Solipsism is true, Absolute Solipsism is not true, Duality is true, Duality is not true, how do we know? Because if you are locked into ANY of these paradigms IT FEELS REAL AND TRUE. You have to ACTUALLY REALIZE that it isn't true, for it to NOT be true. Until you realize it, YOU KNOW NOTHING and are just making claims of what you THINK you know. This is why HONESTY is the only way to find truth. Stop predicting, stop guessing. Open up yourself to the possibility and you can discover what is true.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[Loveeee]

@Razard86 You're conflating relative and absolute truth 

[Razard86]

30 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Razard86 You're conflating relative and absolute truth 

HAhhahahhaa and there it goes. Relative doesn't exist, but it also exists. I'm not conflating, you are just biased!!! And I can prove you wrong with ease. Go prove to a person who is living a dualistic reality that he is not living in a dualistic reality. Prove it to them. Explain why you cannot prove it to them. Explain why they have to realize it!! Go ahead!!

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

HAhhahahhaa and there it goes. Relative doesn't exist, but it also exists. I'm not conflating, you are just biased!!! And I can prove you wrong with ease. Go prove to a person who is living a dualistic reality that he is not living in a dualistic reality. Prove it to them. Explain why you cannot prove it to them. Explain why they have to realize it!! Go ahead!!

Because it's true relative to them, not absolutely true 

[Razard86]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Because it's true relative to them, not absolutely true 

And this is where your ignorance is. Perception IS REALITY. As long as relative truth is true for them IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!! The reason why the present moment is absolutely true, is because right now it is true!!! So the reason why there is no distinction between the relative and the absolute is because the relative is a CREATION OF A PERSPECTIVE.

In fact the reason you cannot understand what I am saying..is because right now you are ABSOLUTELY STUCK in a perspective. You have to get OUTSIDE the perspective, what Leo likes to call META. Until you go META you are trapped ABSOLUTELY. YOU ARE ABSOLUTE, which means you ARE YOUR OWN LIMIT. SO IF YOU CREATE A LIMIT, IT IS ABSOLUTE BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTE.

It's simple, but yall love to get trapped.

[Loveeee]

 

19 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

As long as relative truth is true for them IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!

Wrong. You do not understand what absolute means, as demonstrated here : 

On 9/12/2023 at 2:02 AM, Leo Gura said:

This is incorrect.

 

[Breakingthewall]

step 1, total detachment from the concept. Enter a mental frequency in which no concept means anything, then the mind becomes effortlessly silent. reality perceives itself directly.

step 2, delve into reality, mysticism. allow the source to be displayed without interpreting it. being capable of silent perception and understanding. go deeper with psychedelics.

do not go to step 2 without completing step 1

[Razard86]

43 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

Wrong. You do not understand what absolute means, as demonstrated here : 

 

Oh really so let's do an experiment right now. Are you in a human perspective? Please get out of your human perspective right now and enter another perspective. Also I don't give a care what Leo says. And second Leo actually agrees with me because both me and Leo understand that a belief has metaphysical power. If you believe your world is dualistic then your world is dualistic. 

What is identity? Identity is a belief!!! What is a belief? Belief is an attachment? What is an attachment? Desire. What is Desire? Love. What is Love? Love is Consciousness. 

So what does this mean? Because humanity BELIEVES they live in a dualistic world, they live in a dualistic world. Again you won't understand this until you become conscious that RIGHT NOW you are literally constructing your reality RIGHT NOW. Until you let go of the deep seeded BELIEF that you are a human then you live in a human reality. Human is an identity, human is a belief, human is a concept, it is just a DEEPER version. 

^^^^^This is why I said, you guys OUTS YOURSELVES. I can tell who is actually awake and who isn't. The map is BOTH AND ISN'T THE TERRITORY.

To make it simple...the territory is a blank canvas, the map is the painting, a self is an identity, and concepts, but there are levels within that territory of that self.

Also here is Leo basically saying the same thing I am saying.

Become conscious that right now your beliefs are literally constructing everything. It will blow you away.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[Razard86]

This video is just replacing one map for another.

What is he telling you to strip away? Your current map. At a high enough conscious state if you watch this video you will feel your beliefs as tangible things. You feel like there is some tangled web of things holding reality together. This is your ego which is just a collection of all the memory/information you currently have.

You can totally unattach it all and replace it with the Non-Dual perspective. This opens up your body to a union with everything, while allowing you to keep your survival beliefs. But you have to be brave enough to take this plunge into madness. If you do, you also open up your ability to think more creatively. Currently you all are stuck in rigid, A to B thinking and you limit your understanding of reality to this rigid paradigm lock. It is what it is. You are your own limit, you are the prisoner and the jailkeeper. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=7

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-037

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=15

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=17

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=20

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=22

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=23

https://www.actualized.org/insights?p=26

https://www.actualized.org/insights/you-are-proof-of-god

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Razard86

[strangelooper]

21 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Oh really so let's do an experiment right now. Are you in a human perspective? Please get out of your human perspective right now and enter another perspective. Also I don't give a care what Leo says. And second Leo actually agrees with me because both me and Leo understand that a belief has metaphysical power. If you believe your world is dualistic then your world is dualistic. 

What is identity? Identity is a belief!!! What is a belief? Belief is an attachment? What is an attachment? Desire. What is Desire? Love. What is Love? Love is Consciousness. 

So what does this mean? Because humanity BELIEVES they live in a dualistic world, they live in a dualistic world. Again you won't understand this until you become conscious that RIGHT NOW you are literally constructing your reality RIGHT NOW. Until you let go of the deep seeded BELIEF that you are a human then you live in a human reality. Human is an identity, human is a belief, human is a concept, it is just a DEEPER version. 

^^^^^This is why I said, you guys OUTS YOURSELVES. I can tell who is actually awake and who isn't. The map is BOTH AND ISN'T THE TERRITORY.

To make it simple...the territory is a blank canvas, the map is the painting, a self is an identity, and concepts, but there are levels within that territory of that self.

Also here is Leo basically saying the same thing I am saying.

Become conscious that right now your beliefs are literally constructing everything. It will blow you away.

Beliefs aren't constructing shit. Someone who believes deeply that pink Unicorns will fall out of the sky won't make it actually happen. Someone who believes that Jesus Christ will come back to save the world also won't make it happen. Beliefs are just like feelings, sensations and thoughts. Paint that god uses  to construct an identity and it has no power by itself. There is only one cause (god), everything else is an effect.

Furthermore if beliefs were reality, where would be the realities where beliefs have nothing to do with reality. That would be excluding parts of infinity from itself.

Edited November 15, 2023 by strangelooper

[Dodo]

On 14/11/2023 at 8:08 AM, Bazooka Jesus said:

This doesn't prove that everything is "you". Which of course cannot be proven, because it is nonsense.

Bazooka Jesus strikes hard with the first reply, thread should've been locked after that detonation  

 

 

[Osaid]

11 hours ago, Loveeee said:

And yet you do believe there is or at least might be stuff outside your experience, don't you

There actually isn't an outside or inside at all, like I said before. The fact of my experience is that I can have beliefs about things which aren't experienced, but those are just beliefs, and don't actually say anything about their existence, but that does not lead to non-existence, it is just a changing in beliefs.

Experience contains notions of "outside" and "inside" within it, so it is inaccurate to use those notions to determine what consciousness lacks, because that then points to non-existence, which is the whole contention. Consciousness has the property of containing dualistic notions inside of it, which you could say is what makes it "infinite." My experience definitely doesn't say anything about non-existence, and you cannot reach non-existence by imagining a duality of "outside" or "inside."

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Osaid

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Vibes said:

understand. Belief construct reality. 

To change beliefs you need experience. Fear prevents you from experiencing and expanding.

You don't need to change your beliefs, you need to detach from them in order to perceive directly. Beliefs are the sleeping state, if you want to open yourself to the awake or direct state, you must be able to be without any beliefs, neither conscious nor unconscious. Beliefs are energetic barriers, they structure current reality and close it.

[tuku747]

Where does denial and limitation of others get you?

You've only denied yourself.

Edited November 15, 2023 by tuku747