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The Falling Birth Rate Crisis in 1st World Countries is Good

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3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@DocWatts

   Thanks for your additional points. Yes a sudden drop in birth rates, say within 20 years, can create imbalances in age distribution in societies. I do think part of this problem comes from Neoliberalism, egalitarianism and feminism run amok. We actually need smaller, more limited democracies at this point if we can't replenish our numbers in the future.

Thanks! Sounds like we agree on neoliberalism running amok, and probably disagree on feminism and egalitarianism contributing to the problem in a major way (or perhaps you could explain what you mean by that, and also for the need for smaller and more limited democracies?)

My own perspective if that if you want to combat plummeting birth rates, you should make it easier for people to start and sustain families. Especially since the atomism of modernity has gutted many of the support systems people previously relied on for social support (such as tight knit communities and large extended families), little wonder that people aren't starting a family when things like buying a house are out of reach for a larger portion of millennials and zoomers.

 

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30 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The causes of plummeting birth rates in places like South Korea and Japan are well known: a famously dysfunctional work culture where people are expected to work an insane number of hours every week at thier jobs, and a lack of societal support and assistance for people who want to start families.

The latter is also very much an issue in places like the US - millennials and zoomers can thank the baby boomers for being the generation that pulled the ladder up after them. Lots of people in my generation would be more amenable to having kids if it were actually affordable to do so. Just a personal anecdote so take it with a grain of salt, but of the people I know who are under 40, the only ones that are actually having kids are couples who are affluent.

These are solvable issues, but beyond just getting legislating sensible policies, in places like Japan and Korea they would also involve a process of shifting entrenched cultural norms, which is neither a quick nor a painless process.

   I can agree on the insane work hours and toxic work culture in south Korea, Japan and in China. For example, not in S.T.E.M related jobs, but more creative art jobs like illustration and comics, manga made by Mangakas in Japan, manhua made in both South Korea and China, that industry does often have long hours of work to produce drawing. Even in China and maybe South Korea and Japan there's this 9-9-6 word style, work from 9 am to 9 pm, which is 12 working hours,6 days a week. I'm not too familiar of social supports and assistence with raising of family.

   Your anecdote does make intuitive sense, in that you are financially more secure to raise a bigger family, because you have the money security to cover your children's future going forwards, although in reality the average families made are a mix between middle to lower class, and sometimes upper class.

   I have always felt that it'll be a culture warfare first then other developmental factors at societal levels second. Changing culture is hard work as that's the cultural identity the nation/country/state identifies with collectively. That's like if Cosmic Skeptic, or Alex O'Connor, argues for the dissolving of the Monarchy, well he must also be prepared to argue, worldwide, across all cultures with patriarchies and more conservative/traditional stage blue valued frameworks to also get rid of their national icons and dissolve any archaic symbols of their culture. IMO that's the quickest way to getting crucified or stoned to death, plus he's just being a philosopher, he won't be at the front lines risking his life to change the culture for the better.

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9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@An young being

   How does technologies that rapidly replace human labor jobs(AKA automation and A.I enhanced automation) solve for economic growth problems? How is this an argument for solving the growing economic problems, when the majority are caused by feminism, egalitarianism, and neoliberalism/capitalism run amok, not just in Japan but in the majority of the westernized countries? Take South Korea for example, already westernized by America, yet it too is also facing lower birthrates due to higher divorces, feminism, egalitarianism and neoliberalism run amok, meanwhile to the North a totalitarianism based regime, North Korea, have higher birthrates meeting it's threshold replacement rates for it's society, which can easily replace manpower and soldier units for it's own military? How does your A.I tech and genes solution solve for South Korea's lowering birthrates? By increasing automation and A.I enhanced automation, you increase unemployment rates due to employers not needing human resources for labor jobs, especially men, which increases unemployment rates and homelessness rates. IQ distribution is a real metric as a lot of those labor roles are filled by people with lower IQ ranges, so when you implement your solution, you'll also be increasing labor shortages and job sector shortages that require those labor jobs by lower IQ ranged people, plus those lower IQ ranged people cannot climb the corporate ladder or do those knowledge based intensive jobs like S.T.E.M related jobs or office worker jobs or even IT tech jobs. Due to this oversight of yours you'll also have to account for training and educating those with lower IQ ranges, whilst housing them somehow in the meantime. This and many other developmental factors involved makes your solution tricky to implement without causing other problems, and even contributing to the birthrate problems as well.

   Also, I only brought up 3d A.I enhanced pornography, not murdering and stealing humans, you made that claim. The reason why I brought up A.I enhanced pornography is that due to the sexual liberation movement, Feminism, egalitarianism, western democracy, multiculturalism, and neoliberalism, the dating and sex market will adopt your A.I solution and actually worsen the birthrates because it discourages men from pursuing long term relationships and increase the single life and individualism per men/women, which worsens the issue with birthrates in first world democracies, so in a twisted sense your solution also partly adds to the birthrate crisis as people will become more sexualized and perverted by 3d enhanced A.I pornography, because the hyper stimuli and novel seeking and dopamine chasing of the brains of young men and women will cause them to develop negative self image issues, increases in narcissism, neuroticism, sociopathy and psychopathic traits due to social media platforms and sites that prey on the minds of the consumers, to arrest and prolong their exposure to contents hyper curated by algorithms to feed and take as much of that user's time, energy and attention span for more clicks and views and scroll time.

   Addressing the third world countries, your A.I solution might be far worse for these countries, because again your A.I enhanced automation will disturb the employment to unemployment rates for these third world countries as these countries rely even more on labor intensive jobs to feed themselves and their families. Again this seems like it's traced back to neoliberalism, egalitarianism and feminism viewing these third world countries in this modernist, secularist, materialist, hyper individualist way from America. It may be part of predatory capitalism run amok as well. I would propose smaller democracies even there, with smaller governments geared more to capitalism pursuit, with which America doesn't regulate as much, and even China/Russia's economic interest should be limited as well, to allow those third world countries to sort themselves out. Eventually the patriarchy in those third world countries will reorder itself for it's own survival, which then corrects the excess of birthrates there. Last thing to do is to encourage these third world countries to allow their citizens to leave and migrate away from their developing countries to pursue a multiculturalism and egalitarianism from America which is faulty at best, deceptive at worst. 

When AI could do the work at ten times lower cost than human labour, I believe it can definitely help improving the economy. You seem to think that I suggest AI as a solution to solve all world problems. But, the fact is that AI technologies are already taking widespread adaptation in various facets of our life. No matter whether it causes unemployment or not, companies will adopt AI and replace humans slowly, if not at a faster rate, because it saves them lots of money. So, the smart thing to do here is to examine the best approach to solve AI related problems rather than trying to ignore AI completely and demonise it.

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On 16/10/2023 at 9:41 AM, jimwell said:

AI is an extraordinary gift from God to humans. With the correct vision and regulations, AI will significantly transform the world from hellish to heavenly. The positive impacts of AI are all-encompassing; from the reduction of wage slavery to improvement in governmental functions, judicial systems, food and water supply, housing, physical health, art, innovation, technology, mental-emotional satisfaction, spirituality, and more. AI is a direct expression of God's goodness.  

amen

we need to go faster, no matter the cost.

Abolishing wagesavering entirely from the world, so that everyone can live in a post scarcity mindset.
 

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On 20/10/2023 at 3:19 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@An young being

   How would A.I and genetic technologies solve social issues such as decreases of intaked households and mitigate single parent household, increasing divorce rates and difficulties in getting married and having a family partly due to egalitarianism and feminism run amok?

   IMO, your solution solves very little, 1% of the birthrate crisis. It's like you're only cutting the leaves of a weed and not going to the root, wrapping around a hand going gang green. That's the western world, and Neoliberalism and capitalism, with these progressives and socialists, deep in denial os the systemic issues nd developmental factors that contribute to the birthrate decline.

Simple, we are changing our paradigm. Marriage is not relevant anymore, and having kids isn't either.

We will create kids directly in pods when the world needs them.

 

 

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On the economy, when AI will be a low cost for corporation, jobs will be replaced naturally, political viewpoint can't stop technology from changing the world.

Technology change reality, not your political preferences.
Unless Technology is brided by politic.

Open source internet is destroying anything relevant a state can do anymore.
This and the rivalry game theory dynamic.

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9 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Juan

   Anything to justify your single status and tinder dating Juan.

   Also, to clarify to those reading and interested, this is my position and argument simplified: Lower birthrates in Japan and around the western world caused by Feminism, egalitarianism, and neoliberalism run amok, plus moral degradation of the family unit due to socialism and progressivism of the online world and too much sexual liberation. My offer is limited democracies, and an internet government for god's sake, and a return to more conservative values, norms, and back to patriarchy and some form of Republicanism. Bring back some normalcy, human decency and commonsense and commonplace in the world. 


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9 hours ago, An young being said:

When AI could do the work at ten times lower cost than human labour, I believe it can definitely help improving the economy. You seem to think that I suggest AI as a solution to solve all world problems. But, the fact is that AI technologies are already taking widespread adaptation in various facets of our life. No matter whether it causes unemployment or not, companies will adopt AI and replace humans slowly, if not at a faster rate, because it saves them lots of money. So, the smart thing to do here is to examine the best approach to solve AI related problems rather than trying to ignore AI completely and demonise it.

   It's not so simple! If A.I technology roughly increases production and efficiency by 10x, we can estimate that unemployment will roughly be at 10x, les or more depending on various factors in political and economic climates. The main problem is big companies, CEOs, and other business minded people are hardcore stage orange in values with some at stage blue, and their groups will only measure and use metrics for materialism and material gain, profits and transactional relationships, they will only view the currency and money gained and time/energy saved by A.I, but not factor in the overall decrease in stability of families and communities, and the decrease in well-being and vast increases in mental health issues caused by proliferating A.I, algorithms, and more and more usage of the internet and digital world! We're stuck in Game A, have yet to transition into Game B, and we're stuck in a multi polar trap of perverse incentives by neoliberalism, capitalism, feminism run amok, we're all stuck in a Moloch situation. And all the issues and factors I listed, also effects birthrates! Just because we're having lower and lower rates of birth, also partly to abortions, contraceptives, condoms and hyper sexual liberation of just fucking around with too many people.

   This is why I propose a smaller, scaled down democracy with ore congressmen and statemen, adopting some other high conscious policies @Leo Gura listed in his conscious politics series, I believe that type of limited democracy in the real world, and in the internet we desperately need some internet government to regulate all those social media platforms like Tik Tok which is grooming children and making more users perverted and have shorter attention spans.

   Tell me, how would you think and feel when your solution say is implemented, but you see rampant increases of unemployment, and mental health issues all due to perverse incentives by neoliberalism, capitalism and egalitarianism caused by chasing these grotesque theoretical fantasies of Sci-Fi and A.I technology? Would you feel guilty? Would you say enough is enough if humanity is mass producing A.I enhanced pornography, and A.I enhanced sex robots and sex toys, and see hyper moral degradation worldwide, and plummeting birth rates and loneliness and mental health issues?

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8 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

amen

we need to go faster, no matter the cost.

Abolishing wagesavering entirely from the world, so that everyone can live in a post scarcity mindset.
 

   Absolutely not! We need more countries to integrate capitalism first, have developed stronger economies, then they can try socio economics. We cannot skip to some socialism type of economics where hippies do free gift economies.

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8 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

Simple, we are changing our paradigm. Marriage is not relevant anymore, and having kids isn't either.

We will create kids directly in pods when the world needs them.

 

 

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On the economy, when AI will be a low cost for corporation, jobs will be replaced naturally, political viewpoint can't stop technology from changing the world.

Technology change reality, not your political preferences.
Unless Technology is brided by politic.

Open source internet is destroying anything relevant a state can do anymore.
This and the rivalry game theory dynamic.

   That's right! Human who rely on jobs and income from jobs to support themselves or their families will overtime get replaced by robots, automation machines, and even A.I programs that can output and do better than you. I'm pretty sure you'll even agree with me here, after your boss fires you because their machine and A.I program can do your tasks but better. And then you'll also join the unemployment percentages too, another member of society disenfranchised and displaced by the disruptive A.I technologies of today.

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On 10/20/2023 at 9:04 AM, Danioover9000 said:

Partly the birth crisis happening in Japan is due to Feminism and increasing egalitarianism for women, which decreases the traditional female roles of the household. A shift away from motherhood and traditional female roles, and more towards the average young female population geating to career goals could be why.

That's correct.

If you define egalitarianism as a philosophy which seeks to promote fairness and equality in society by advocating for equal treatment and opportunities for all individuals, then egalitarianism is good. The problem with feminists is that they are too biased and have swung the pendulum too far to the other side.

 

On 10/20/2023 at 9:04 AM, Danioover9000 said:

Also, birth rate decreases is not limited to Japan, but the majority of westernized countries have those rates, again due to egalitarianism and feminism, and to too much sexual liberation, which made marriages less significant as a sacred rite of coupling, but also the chase to date and have too much sex devalues the bonding. Another factor is the erosion of the nuclear family unit, or intaked family homes. 

Marriage is made up by society. It's not absolute and not the only way forward. In fact, marriage is unnatural and twisted.

Humans are naturally polygamous. How many girls have you wanted to fuck or be in a relationship with? Surely, you can't count because there are too many.

Devoting yourself to kissing, hugging, and fucking only one girl your entire life is too twisted, society needs to create rules such as "You should not covet your neighbor's wife". In my home country, divorce is still legally and morally forbidden. How else will society force a man to endure the pain of enjoying only one woman his entire life?

Divorce is too common in first world countries, and it's simply a manifestation of the twistedness of marriage. If you are free to enjoy as many girls as you want, there will be NO need for a divorce or cheating, unless if the problem is domestic abuse or sth similar. I love to enjoy girls the way I enjoy parks and cuisines. Variety is beauty.

There are humans who are naturally monogamous, especially humans with no or little libido. But they are the minority.

Many couples stay legally married, but the romantic spark is long gone. Such couples are essentially divorced. The essence of romance is much more important than its legality.

    

On 10/20/2023 at 3:17 PM, Ninja_pig said:

This is why I'm becoming a machine learning engineer :P

That will be your contribution to humans. :) I hope you'll master it. 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 3:17 PM, Ninja_pig said:

I don't think that AI is quite the magic pill that you think it will be though. The problems I stated above will be actually exacerbated by the advent of AI.

The benefits of AI will be very significant, it is almost a magic pill. AI will cause problems short terms because many dumb wage slave jobs will be replaced by robots. But as a whole, it's a good thing. It's part of the evolution process. AI will eventually give rise to UBI or something similar.

The current economic system though the best so far, is still somewhat barbaric. It tends to create "bullshit" jobs. For example, in my home country, when I check out my groceries, there's a wage slave stationed there to pack my groceries into a plastic bag. Yes, he does have a job and has earned a living. But is it really a sensible or a needed job?

When I checked out my groceries in Japan, I packed them myself. This is one of the Japanese ways which I like and appreciate. If I can do it myself, why not? That wage slave who packs groceries better do more important things such as learning machine learning, practicing meditation, or engaging in contemplation.   

One good thing about the declining population rates is it enables advancement in AI and robotics to compensate for labor shortage.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/2791/

 

On 10/20/2023 at 3:17 PM, Ninja_pig said:

The fact is that AI is merely a powerful tool that will have to be wielded by us humans.

Yes, surely. Whether AI makes this world more heavenly or hellish, depends on human visions and regulations. 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 3:17 PM, Ninja_pig said:

AI may improve the world in many ways, but it won't make the world perfect. Nature ensures that our lives will never be completely hellish or heavenly, but somewhere in between.

It will never be perfect, but it will be much better. I would rather live in a world with advance AI than in a world without AI.

In a world with AI, humans will have more time doing what they really love because the wage slave jobs required for survival will be handled by AI or robots. Humans will also have more time to do self-development or spiritual work. This will have significant, positive impact on human intelligence and consciousness, especially after a few generations has passed.  

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On 10/20/2023 at 10:41 PM, Danioover9000 said:

I'll agree partly that the wealth inequality and limitations of capitalism and neoliberalism as individualism increases will also play a factor in Japan's increasing homelessness problem, but also it's lowering birth rates as women become more westernized and are careers orientated and more individualistic.

Wealth Inequality and Resource Distribution are more significant problems than the low number of babies born every year. 

Financial Distribution

The top 1% of the richest people are richer than the bottom 50%. The top 1% of Americans have a combined net worth of $34.2 trillion, while the bottom 50% of the population holds just $2.1 trillion combined. This means that the top 1% has 16 times more wealth than the bottom 50% combined. - Source: Federal Reserve

This is not just true for the USA, but also for other countries. A report by Oxfam reveals that the richest 1% grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world’s population.

 

Housing / Property Distribution

According to a report by bloomberg, there are an estimated five vacant properties for every homeless person in the U.S

 

Food Distribution

According to the World Food Programme, approximately one-third of food produced for human consumption is lost or wasted globally. This amounts to about 1.3 billion tons per year, worth approximately US$1 trillion. That's enough to feed 2 billion humans.

These problems are too absurd; they deserve all the focus and attention in the world. Politicians, engineers, and scientists around the world should worry about them first before worrying about the decreasing number of babies born per year. 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 7:48 PM, Danioover9000 said:

 For example, if your specific policy for A.I technology is 3d pornography, well that feeds into the unhealthy hentai/doujinshi markets of the anime and manga industry, which just encourages men and women to remain single longer, and discourages men and women marrying as the incentives for sexual release is met with your 3d hyper stimulating A.I technology.

An AI powered sex doll which talks, walks, sucks, and looks similar to a 10 of 10 concubine is high-level beauty. :D It is God's gift to males, especially the sexually frustrated ones. 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 10:46 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@jimwell

   I don't think this is a realistic stance to view A.I technology. It's still too early to celebrate, and quite frankly A.I technology is just one of many possible solutions to solving systemic issues in society, and addressing problem spaces that have multifaceted origins in other developmental factors and fields of life and society, values systems, cognitive biases and moral frameworks, personality types/traits and psychological developments, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by culture, family upbringing, environment, mainstream/alternative media sources, tv programs, advertising, news paper, radio, social media sites with algorithms and A.I that hyper curate content to user biases creating echo chambers of ideology, addictive digital formats that prey on attention span which decreases attention spans leading to ADD/ADHD increase as well as higher narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy mindsets towards other people and worlds, which all creates and maintains rivalrous relationships with people and the world. 

I have already answered this, directly and indirectly.

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The falling birth-rate is largely due to a worse economy for commoners and social atomization. I don't think that reflects well on society, as it basically means that people are too poor and lacking in community in order to effectively start a family. It is not just that a low birth-rate is bad for the economy but it also a sign that people are not living up to their potential. A lot of people want to have kids but don't because of all of these factors.

What I think needs to be rectified is the conflict between child-rearing and career. Either you have a career and compensate with expensive childcare or you prioritize being a mother. The answer I think is a shift in work culture and reducing the amount of hours in a work week as well benefits for parents among other changes, especially in the housing market.

One idea that I like is making being a mom a full-time job, so that having kids actually becomes an asset. I don't know if that is too extreme or not.

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@jimwell  While this video mainly deals with why there's god killing in JRPGs, it's got good contexts it covers, and has some overlap to this issue as well:

 

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I don't see falling birth/fertility rates as a problem.

The world can only support a given amount of people. 

If there is anything to blame for such, I'd say it's medical advances and contraception. 

it's shallow to blame contemporary capitalism for this also.

Working hours are limited by law in many countries. This was not the case 100 years, when Western countries often had more rigid and less regulated forms of capitalism. There was no such thing as a work/life balance then, and it was due to such excesses that working hour limits were imposed. People then had more children as a surety against poverty, and of course there was less readily available contraception. 

I'd say generally when wealth rises, people are less incentivised to have children. 

If birth rates are falling in Western liberal countries (,e.g. USA, Canada), Islamic states (,e.g. Saudi Arabia and Iran), and Eastern capitalist states (,e.g. China and Japan), then the cause has to be more pervasive than feminism. Many countries still have heavy legally-sanctioned patriarchy as well as strong societal patriarchal norms. The constant is that the pill, condoms, etc. are still available in patriarchial societies, as well as Islamic/Eastern countries. 

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I think the falling birth rates can be attributed to unemployment. Also war has a significant impact on people's morale. In the absence of a traditional Christian society and post second world war, the situation in most European countries has probably been quite difficult. In such a scenario, most people would not look at having children as a favorable addition to their lives. 

I don't understand why immigrants are a problem though. In what way are their values not consistent. If they work hard, pay taxes, follow laws, and abide by the general environment of the city/nation, how are they not contributing to the economy. Maybe the belief that their values are different is simply a belief? A projection perhaps. What if over time they become a part of the general population and get westernized like the rest. You already see that in America, just a good example how immigration has always worked in the favor of the country. America is a melting pot of different ethnicities and I don't see much trouble. Most people follow laws. 

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Most of Europe, even the Warsaw Pact, saw massive economic growth post-WW2. There was the threat of nuclear war, and the continent was divided by the Iron Curtain. 

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On 10/21/2023 at 9:52 AM, Danioover9000 said:

@AerisVahnEphelia

   Absolutely not! We need more countries to integrate capitalism first, have developed stronger economies, then they can try socio economics. We cannot skip to some socialism type of economics where hippies do free gift economies.

As an interesting aside, this was the view of Marx as well, whose view was that socialism needs to be be built on top of the massive increase in productivity that developed as a result of capitalism. Something that actual 20th century Marxists often ignored as they tried to implement socialism in feudal societies like Tzarist Russia, to disastrous results. (Note that I'm not saying that ignoring this developmental aspect of Marx's theory is the only reason why communist experiments didn't work out in practice).

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For me, it's pretty simple. People are healthier and richer. 

It could be feminism or its perceived negative effects. I'm sceptical over claims that feminism is causing this, as whilst in the West women's rights are strong, there are hardly many female business leaders in the Middle East, India, or much of Asia. Women's rights are hardly entrenched there, but they too are reporting fertility/birth rate decreases.  https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JOR/jordan/birth-rate  Jordan hardly has positive women's rights. 

But the incentives to have kids aren't as pressing. People were worse off a century ago but they still had more kids. 

For most of human history, birth rates were high due to higher child mortality and heightened poverty. Having lots of kids meant that on average more survived to adulthood, and could help the family with chores and overall tasks. More people working also meant more finances and this was important in agrarian societies. There was also no birth control, so the chance of pregnancy was high anytime a couple had sex. 

As people today, compared to 200 years ago, are healthier, have access to contraception, and are wealthier with less need for children as insurance, birth rates are falling. I'm no sociologist or economist, but I think it has to be deemed a factor here.

Even in developing countries, people are more urbanised, and thus living on a farm or a rural village is lessened. This means then that due to increased urbanisation, there is less need to have six or more children helping extended family tend crops on family-owned fields. One thing that rich and poor countries have in common is rising average life expectancies, access to contraception, growth in incomes and living standards, and increased urbanisation. 

 

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If a low birth rate in the Europe and partially US, Japan, Korea, hence aging population that almost isn't capable of working, thinking clearly and fastly, and doing other stuff, that requires constant attention in terms of care -- isn't a problem, why not have:
  * 1mln people in the US instead of 330 mln?
  * 100k instead of 125mln in Japan?
  * 10k  instead of 0.5bln in Euro Zone?

I'd be down for it if you yourself are.  And as long as the other countries remain with a healthy birth rate.
AI and Elon Musk will compensate for everything.

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7 minutes ago, rnd said:

If a low birth rate in the Europe and partially US, Japan, Korea, hence aging population that almost isn't capable of working, thinking clearly and fastly, and doing other stuff, that requires constant attention in terms of care -- isn't a problem, why not have:
  * 1mln people in the US instead of 330 mln?
  * 100k instead of 125mln in Japan?
  * 10k  instead of 0.5bln in Euro Zone?

I'd be down for it if you yourself are.  And as long as the other countries remain with a healthy birth rate.
AI and Elon Musk will compensate for everything.

I don't see the connection. There would have to be a mass disaster for the population to fall to those levels. And even with lower fertility/birth rates, it would take a long time for that to come to pass. 

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