New War In Israel / Gaza

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

They do the bare minimum to keep them alive. The hostages who were realesed came back with 5-10 kg less weight (it's a lot for 50 days). It's not like Hamas spoils them there lol.

Hamas did execute some hostages (and blamed Israel) we don't know how much of them are still alive.

According to the evidence of the hostages who were released, Hamas threated them with guns to their heads during their period in the captivity, including children.

They were forced to whisper and slept on chairs or on the floor.

Why Hamas keeps hostages alive? Because they can get more Palestinian prisoners (terrorists) in exchange to living hostages. Hostages who are alive has more value than dead hostages. That's it, there is no compassion or mercy, only interests.

 

 

It's not like Palestinian prisoners are being treated any better. Look at the video posted above. It's just not what you think. 

[Buck Edwards]

There are apolitical agendas and goals on both sides. One is using military the other is using terrorist tactics. Nobody is innocent or humanitarian in this. This is a large project on both sides. They want the land. Both sides. One cannot argue who the land really belongs to. But there will be no ceasefire until there are proper peace agreements. It's clear that there is no hero in this war. It's just a war of greed and some people will be sacrificed for it. 

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

A video showing the suffering of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons. Why were they refused medical treatment? 

 

I didn't see here anything apart of someone says this.

Al Jazeera forced an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped to say bad things about Israel in the interview when they brought a hamas person to air and did her an ambush.

Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there.

I cannot trust them at all.

People in Israel complain all the time how humane the conditions terrorists get in prisons so much so they can even do a degree. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Nivsch

[Vrubel]

@Buck Edwards I am not respecting any false equivalences.

1. Palestinian prisoners are not innocent. 

2. Palestinian Prisoners can do university programs and always have access to free healthcare just to name a thing. 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

I didn't see here anything like this apart of someone says this.

Al Jazeera forced an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped to say bad things about Israel in the interview when they brought a hamas person to air and did her an ambush.

Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there.

But i thought the jews control media

 

 

 

jk

[Lila9]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

It's not like Palestinian prisoners are being treated any better. Look at the video posted above. It's just not what you think. 

Al Jazeera is direct Hamas' propaganda tool which is loyal to Hamas' narrative only. It has no reliability. 

For years, Al Jazeera is known as having an anti-Israel, anti American and antisemitic bias.

 I know that Palestinian prisoners have very decent conditions, including medical care and the freedom of education.

It's better to be prisoned by Israel than being an hostage by Hamas.

[Nivsch]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

Al Jazeera is direct Hamas' propaganda tool which is loyal to Hamas' narrative only. It has no reliability. 

For years, Al Jazeera is known as having an anti-Israel, anti American and antisemitic bias.

 I know that Palestinian prisoners have very decent conditions, including medical care and the freedom of education.

It's better to be prisoned by Israel than being an hostage by Hamas.

+1 🧡

🎯

[Lila9]

34 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Al jazeera combined maipulatively a picture of an Israeli mother who her children were kidnapped as was a Gazaian citizen overwhelmed by the davastation there.

At first it made me laugh, the stupidly rude attempt of including this footage of an Israeli woman in suffer with the goal to imply that this was happed to a Palestinian woman by Israel, and then it made me sad because this is such a cynical usage of the pain Israelies went through (pain the AJ didn't bother to mention at all, still in these days). What also made me sad is that there are people who literally buy into this manipulation and not aware to that. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Lila9

[RoerAmit]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

If Hamas was as evil as some of you want to believe they would have killed all the hostages.

Hamas highest interest is keep their control over Gaza. 
The Hamas leaders in Qatar are billionaires because of the money they make be exploiting all the Gazens with super high taxes, controlling all transactions, and taking the money from Qatar and UN for their own benefit with the cover of “humanitarian support”.

The IDF is taking their control in Gaza and threatening their governance, and the hostages are Hamas’s only cards in the hands.
Without the hostages they will completely lose Gaza because the Israelis will have nothing to lose and continue the war until they will completely destroy all Hamas military capabilities.

 

[RoerAmit]

@Leo Gura

Please don’t believe aljazera and horrible Hamas supporters. 

Hamas people are the scum and garbage of humanity. They have nothing to do with human rights or resistance to occupation.

They are terrorists, Jew-haters, anti-Semites, who do not care about the lives of the poor residents of Gaza.

Their leaders in Qatar are celebrating on the ass of all the poor residents, whose only hope for a good life is to join Hamas and kill Jews and bring "respect" and some money to their family. They have no other option. We absolutely need to eliminate this organization and build better infrastructure and better governance for the poor people of Gaza City. The government in Israel thought for years that strengthening Hamas and building better civil infrastructure for the people of Gaza would prevent them from committing terrorism and the Israelis were wrong. As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza and teaches the citizens to hate Jews this problem will continue. They need other, reasonable leaders who do not teach hatred and try to build something new and better for the people of Gaza.

[zazen]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-opts-country-of-concern/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories-opts-country-of-concern#torture

From the UK governments website on Israels use of torture:

There are continued allegations by NGOs of mistreatment of Palestinian detainees by the Israeli authorities. Palestinian prisoner Arafat Jaradat died in Israeli custody in February 2013; Israeli authorities denied allegations that his death was a result of torture. The UK has made clear to the Israeli authorities the importance we attach to a full investigation into the circumstances of his death, including the allegations of mistreatment.

Whilst noting that acts of torture are criminal under Israeli law, we called at Israel’s UPR for “necessity” to be removed as a possible justification for torture, and for all allegations of torture and ill-treatment to be promptly and effectively investigated, with perpetrators prosecuted. In December, the NGO Public Committee Against Torture in Israel reported that, following arrest, Palestinian child detainees were being held outside in iron cages for hours overnight. Justice Minister Tzipi Livni has publicly confirmed that, on hearing the reports, she immediately instructed the Israeli Prison Service to stop this practice.

 

Further:

https://www.omct.org/en/resources/blog/its-now-even-more-official-torture-is-legal-in-israel

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

Edited November 28, 2023 by zazen

[Lila9]

Israeli women and children were kept in cages in captivity by Hamas:

https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-775480

Hostages report hunger in captivity:

https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h1krstgh6

An Israeli boy was forced by Hamas to watch the October 7 gore videos when was in captivity:

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231128-young-french-israeli-hostages-well-but-suffering-psychological-shock-after-captivity

[Lila9]

I wish all the Israeli hostages will be released from Hamas captivity soon. I pray for them.

 

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I wish all the Israeli hostages will be released from Hamas captivity soon. I pray for them.

 

And what do you pray for after watching this?

 

[Twentyfirst]

Israeli logic: Sure we kill a bunch of innocent kids but at least we allow LGBTQSKCIJGE

[Buck Edwards]

@Nivsch highly curious to know your opinion on this video. He is a Holocaust survivor, Mate, so don't forget that.

 

[Twentyfirst]

And the victim of the century award goes to.............

You all guessed right  

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israeli logic: Sure we kill a bunch of innocent kids but at least we allow LGBTQSKCIJGE

. They think everything is a military operation so it can't possibly be anti-humanitarian. Fooling people. 

[Buck Edwards]

We don't need to pick sides in this particular conflict and I'm not saying there is one right and the other wrong. It's just that there's flawed logic on both ends. Israel terrorizing Gaza is also a form of terrorism. Not much different from Hamas, just sophisticated. 

[Buck Edwards]

@RoerAmit

2 hours ago, RoerAmit said:

@Leo Gura

Please don’t believe aljazera and horrible Hamas supporters. 

Hamas people are the scum and garbage of humanity. They have nothing to do with human rights or resistance to occupation.

They are terrorists, Jew-haters, anti-Semites, who do not care about the lives of the poor residents of Gaza.

Their leaders in Qatar are celebrating on the ass of all the poor residents, whose only hope for a good life is to join Hamas and kill Jews and bring "respect" and some money to their family. They have no other option. We absolutely need to eliminate this organization and build better infrastructure and better governance for the poor people of Gaza City. The government in Israel thought for years that strengthening Hamas and building better civil infrastructure for the people of Gaza would prevent them from committing terrorism and the Israelis were wrong. As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza and teaches the citizens to hate Jews this problem will continue. They need other, reasonable leaders who do not teach hatred and try to build something new and better for the people of Gaza.

Gaza does not represent Hamas. You can't generalize an entire population.