Sister is Vegan and Tested Very Low For Iron

[Danioover9000]

@Israfil

8 minutes ago, Israfil said:

Every mammal feels pain. I don't see how is a moral imperative to reduce pain. This just seems cheap utilitarian thinking to me.

   The problem I think is typically most people weaponize the general statement for their own biases specifically of 'every mammal feels pain' which can lead to millions of logical implications like 'Every mammal feels pain, animals are mammals, humans are mammals, cows/sheep/chickens/pigs/horses maybe lambs and ducks feel pain. pain=sentience=conscious as humans=animal rights and well being, therefore moral imperative to reduce pain for all animals and humans. Why? Because animal farming bad and veganism good, veganism and humanitarians and environmentalism all say evil industry, so if every mammal feels pain means I feel pain, or at least I should pretend to empathize and understand with animal sufferings cuz all animals and mammals=me=mammals feeling pain or some twisted logic of this kind. Problem is that this is too ideological to claim universally that EVERYONE SHOULD BE VEGANS/ENVIRONMENTALISTS OR POLITICAL ACTIVISTS FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS OR YOU'RE FUCKING EVIL!!! You know the extreme excess of stage green valued SJWs, karens, snow flakes, hippies, new age thinkers and moral relativists that are too into feel feels to logically think straight and clearly without getting into idiot compassion fallacies like fucking Lex Fridman and others.

[Israfil]

10 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Israfil

   The problem I think is typically most people weaponize the general statement for their own biases specifically of 'every mammal feels pain' which can lead to millions of logical implications like 'Every mammal feels pain, animals are mammals, humans are mammals, cows/sheep/chickens/pigs/horses maybe lambs and ducks feel pain. pain=sentience=conscious as humans=animal rights and well being, therefore moral imperative to reduce pain for all animals and humans. Why? Because animal farming bad and veganism good, veganism and humanitarians and environmentalism all say evil industry, so if every mammal feels pain means I feel pain, or at least I should pretend to empathize and understand with animal sufferings cuz all animals and mammals=me=mammals feeling pain or some twisted logic of this kind. Problem is that this is too ideological to claim universally that EVERYONE SHOULD BE VEGANS/ENVIRONMENTALISTS OR POLITICAL ACTIVISTS FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS OR YOU'RE FUCKING EVIL!!! You know the extreme excess of stage green valued SJWs, karens, snow flakes, hippies, new age thinkers and moral relativists that are too into feel feels to logically think straight and clearly without getting into idiot compassion fallacies like fucking Lex Fridman and others.

You have an orange shadow the size of Trump's forehead looming behind you.

[integral]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@integral

   Is she allergic to nuts? If not tell her to eat more nuts as they contain some iron. There could be iron supplements but you'll have to check. Peanut butter is great if mixed with porridge for example. 

   Is she open to the possibility of changing her diet again, even if the change may look like a regression into whole foods and eating meats again?

   How is her diet, nutrition, sleep and rest like? Does do fitness and exercises and what are they like?

   Is her vegan diet based on morality or based on the health aspect? Is she open to changes further?

   Any more information to develop this context more will probably be helpful, more context = more specific the advice from others. Thanks and hope the sis is doing fine.

Can iron be absorbed from nuts?

She has recently started eating eggs, but thats probably the limit she will go. There are moral reasons involved. 

[Danioover9000]

@Israfil

2 minutes ago, Israfil said:

You have an orange shadow the size of Trump's forehead looming behind you.

?

[Danioover9000]

@integral

Just now, integral said:

Can iron be absorbed from nuts?

She has recently started eating eggs, but thats probably the limit she will go. There are moral reasons involved. 

   Found an interesting website that has a list of iron rich foods here:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322272#:~:text=Phytates,if consumed in large quantities.

   Great she's eating eggs as part of her diet. Is she eating the whole egg, egg whites and egg yolk? Especially the egg yolk as that's majority of the nutrients, and kind of half runny half solid, like a creamy orange is what you want. Also, if you or her garden, you can recycle the egg shells as compost or turn them into powder to feed your house plants or organic small vegetables.

[Something Funny]

@Lila9  why are you still arguing with all those mentally challenged people? Have some respect for yourself. 

 P.S. their arguments involving god and spirituality do crack me up though. Bulshitting on an online forum - a hallmark of spiritual development, lol.

 

[Something Funny]

@Michael569 this thread has started out as a practical advise request and has now turned into a total shitshow. 

Most of the people who are "against" veganism here only comment because they want to inflame and create debates and disagreements on the forum.

Schizophonia has openly admitted a few times that the only reason he engages in the discussion here is because he enjoys trolling.

I do apologize for the strong language  but I am honestly not sure why this thread still hasn't been closed for comments as there is nothing good coming out of it. 

Is that because it was created by a moderator?

Edited June 7, 2023 by Something Funny

[Something Funny]

44 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Is that because it was created by a moderator?

No, the topic would have been treated the same, were it created by any user. 

Sorry, this was a dumb thing to say

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Sorry, this was a dumb thing to say

We always have what we want. I regularly play at being childish and argumentative, and I have a lot of fun.
But I sometimes get hostile reactions and that's normal, that's the rule of the game. Your reaction isn't stupid, you're just sending me back a fragment of the energy I send myself, it's a mechanical process.

Incidentally, even if I made the mistake of making a remark and breaking my word, I had in fact regretted having hijacked this topic and I had explained in a post, a few days ago, that I no longer wanted answer on this topic precisely because of the hijacking.

I have my own topics where I can work at my pleasure,  and it will be exclusively like that in the future, do not interact with me on some of my topics if it annoys you.
But maybe you will, because it's fun to get annoyed, it's love, lol.

Edited June 7, 2023 by Schizophonia

[Danioover9000]

@integral  Updates on the sis? Has changed her diet or improved her condition?

   Is she similarly ideological as some Vegas in this forum?

[integral]

35 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@integral  Updates on the sis? Has changed her diet or improved her condition?

   Is she similarly ideological as some Vegas in this forum?

She is now experimenting with a iron supplement. No real change so far, unfortunately the iron supplement she took had b-vitamins in it and it caused increased day energy with sleeping problems. So she is looking for a different source with out the b-vitamins.

Edited June 8, 2023 by integral

[Someone here]

Eat meat and drink blood Boyz..it's good for you ?

[integral]

@Michael569 Thank you, I re-laid the message. 

 

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Eat meat and drink blood Boyz..it's good for you ?

lol she will never drink blood.

[integral]

Another blood test result

[Mada_]

Yeah a supplement would sort her out. 

When I was vegan I supplemented and had dark leafy greens with every meal. 

[integral]

@Michael569 She went to the hospital recently from severe stomach pain, they couldn't find the reason. She stopped taking the iron and the pain went away, 5 days later she tried the iron supplement again and the stomach pain came back. Is there a different form thats better tolerated? She was taking ferrous bis-glycinate.

Edited July 11, 2023 by integral

[Israfil]

3 hours ago, integral said:

@Michael569 She went to the hospital recently from severe stomach pain, they couldn't find the reason. She stopped taking the iron and the pain went away, 5 days later she tried the iron supplement again and the stomach pain came back. Is there a different form thats better tolerated? She was taking ferrous bis-glycinate.

Taking it after a meal might help.

[LSD-Rumi]

@integral Yeah Iron is known to cause GI upset and constipation. She can take Iron IM injection but it may leave some brown discoloration on the site of injection.

[integral]

On 7/12/2023 at 2:10 AM, Michael569 said:

@integral 

It is not unusual to experience these from iron supplements. To various degrees of severity, she might be more sensitive to it, that's definitely possible. Less common with bisglycinate but still possible. As mentioned above she can try with food, that would actually be preferable.

Alternatively there are liquid iron supplements (also best taken postprandial). Chat with the doc and see what they recommend.

How high is her dosage? 

Have her levels moved at all since she started on it?

She switched to a liquid iron supplement (ferric ammonium citrate) and it does no cause stomach pain. 

Ingredients:

Folate (folic acid) 440 µg

Vitamin B12 (cyancobalamin) 110 µg

Iron (ferric ammonium citrate) 20 mg

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She's been taking it for a few months now and was retested and her iron is slowly going back up. 

Was wondering if you guys have any recommendations for some good liquid iron supplements.

Thanks! 

Edited January 1, 2024 by integral

[LSD-Rumi]

@integral Make her eat some liver for god sake 

11 hours ago, integral said:

Iron (ferric ammonium citrate) 20 mg

 

That's way too low. Only 10-15 % of Iron in iron supplements gets absorbed. But she can normalize over a long period if her anemia is not that bad. But she also needs to fill her Iron stores after normalizing her blood Iron, so this may take a long time at this rate.

Edited January 2, 2024 by LSD-Rumi