suicide from a "practical" point of view

[cataplin]

I wasn’t sure if this topic belongs to this segment, but definitely doesn’t belong to the serious emotional issues because I want to discuss and analyze suicide but from a more practical point of view using real logic as much as possible. I have always heard and read that suicide is bad and should be avoided because you would pay for the consequences (bad ones) such as: going to hell, reincarnating to a lower level of life, being eternally in the other realm suffering, and many other theories. But nothing of this makes sense to me because not everyone is under the same circumstances in life, so “God” (or whatever you call it) just can’t judge everyone the same way, right?

 

I will give some examples of different scenarios to show why.

 

1.     Lets say 2 people commit suicide. One of them had a really great quality of life in general terms but eventually got something like bored, depressed and finally committed suicide. The other one was born under the most miserable conditions you can imagine and suffered a lot all their life, and finally to end the pain of his misery he ends his life too. Why would God judge both in the same way and both will suffer bad consequences? It seems a little unfair to me. 

 

2.     Fool example but just to explain my point: A person is on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the boat starts to sink. He will literally be dead in less than 20 minutes by drowning, but also he has a fire gun. He decides to shoot himself (commit suicide) by a headshot instead of waiting to die. He is going to die anyway in some minutes. Why would God judge him for dying in the way he considers less painful or whatever reason? It seems a little unfair to me. 

 

Also, why would God judge for such a decision if God itself put the person in that particular situation? The person commiting suicide didn’t decide to be in a situation where there is unbearable pain and suffering. If one simply cannot take the pain anymore and thinks it will stop with death, why would God judge? I just cannot understand why taking your own life is said to have the worst consequences. And also, what happens to the people that commit suicide without realizing they did it? I mean the people that were in such a bad place mentally that they were not conscious at all of their act. Why would God judge those people too if they commited suicide without knowing they were commiting suicide, they simply did it because of their mental state.

 

Why would people commiting suicide be judged in the afterlife? Please if someone can give their opinion on this. I think I explained my point about why something about the theories doesn’t smell right. 

 

Thanks for any input

[michaelcycle00]

It’s stupid. God even encourages suicide apparently based on the “Conversations with God” books. 

[Vlad_]

God is non-judgmental. I can imagine hundreds or thousand people dying and I'm perfectly fine with it. In fact - I enjoy it. 

Unfortunately or fortunately God can't die.

Life and death are sides of the same coin which called illusion or the great game that I'm playing with myself. 

 

[Hojo]

God dosent judge you you judge yourself. If you kill yourself cause you are bored how bored do you think you will be in the void. It can get alot more boring and lonely. We need to transcend our emotions on this life and keep only love in our hearts.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

The only one who ever judges you, is you.

[Yimpa]

5 hours ago, cataplin said:

Why would people commiting suicide be judged in the afterlife? 

People, suicide, judgement, afterlife. 
 

Bananas, onions, pink chair, donkey.

[michaelcycle00]

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

God dosent judge you you judge yourself. If you kill yourself cause you are bored how bored do you think you will be in the void. It can get alot more boring and lonely. We need to transcend our emotions on this life and keep only love in our hearts.

People don’t kill themselves because they’re bored my nigga 

You don’t override the deeply ingrained fear of death to kill one’s self through boredom. 

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, michaelcycle00 said:

People don’t kill themselves because they’re bored my nigga 

You don’t override the deeply ingrained fear of death to kill one’s self through boredom. 

blink-182 respectfully disagrees 

[Kshantivadin]

@Loba thank you for sharing 

[cataplin]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The only one who ever judges you, is you.

Thanks Leo!, so this would mean that the result of committing suicide is conditioned to what the person think and feel about it. Even if they try to look for excuses or want to think that it is ok, if deeper in them they know that it is unfair to life or God that they do this then they would pay for the consequences. But if they genuinely think and feel that they have the right to do it then they would have no bad consequences or would not be judged  in a hard way. Still it sounds strange to me that the result is conditioned from one to another. Anyway, I'm confused, I guess there is no really way to know if there is a difference between dying intentionally or unintentionally.

 

[cataplin]

@Loba thanks for sharing! I will watch that video as well.

[Michael Jackson]

11 hours ago, michaelcycle00 said:

nigga 

@michaelcycle00 lmao watch out with your language

[effortlesslumen]

17 hours ago, Vlad_ said:

God is non-judgmental. I can imagine hundreds or thousand people dying and I'm perfectly fine with it. In fact - I enjoy it. 

Unfortunately or fortunately God can't die.

Life and death are sides of the same coin which called illusion or the great game that I'm playing with myself. 

 

Its the ego that enjoys it not god. And the ego is in ignorance and denial. 

Edited December 28, 2022 by effortlesslumen

[effortlesslumen]

18 hours ago, cataplin said:

I wasn’t sure if this topic belongs to this segment, but definitely doesn’t belong to the serious emotional issues because I want to discuss and analyze suicide but from a more practical point of view using real logic as much as possible. I have always heard and read that suicide is bad and should be avoided because you would pay for the consequences (bad ones) such as: going to hell, reincarnating to a lower level of life, being eternally in the other realm suffering, and many other theories. But nothing of this makes sense to me because not everyone is under the same circumstances in life, so “God” (or whatever you call it) just can’t judge everyone the same way, right?

 

I will give some examples of different scenarios to show why.

 

1.     Lets say 2 people commit suicide. One of them had a really great quality of life in general terms but eventually got something like bored, depressed and finally committed suicide. The other one was born under the most miserable conditions you can imagine and suffered a lot all their life, and finally to end the pain of his misery he ends his life too. Why would God judge both in the same way and both will suffer bad consequences? It seems a little unfair to me. 

 

2.     Fool example but just to explain my point: A person is on a boat in the middle of the ocean and the boat starts to sink. He will literally be dead in less than 20 minutes by drowning, but also he has a fire gun. He decides to shoot himself (commit suicide) by a headshot instead of waiting to die. He is going to die anyway in some minutes. Why would God judge him for dying in the way he considers less painful or whatever reason? It seems a little unfair to me. 

 

Also, why would God judge for such a decision if God itself put the person in that particular situation? The person commiting suicide didn’t decide to be in a situation where there is unbearable pain and suffering. If one simply cannot take the pain anymore and thinks it will stop with death, why would God judge? I just cannot understand why taking your own life is said to have the worst consequences. And also, what happens to the people that commit suicide without realizing they did it? I mean the people that were in such a bad place mentally that they were not conscious at all of their act. Why would God judge those people too if they commited suicide without knowing they were commiting suicide, they simply did it because of their mental state.

 

Why would people commiting suicide be judged in the afterlife? Please if someone can give their opinion on this. I think I explained my point about why something about the theories doesn’t smell right. 

 

Thanks for any input

How can i discuss something logical, which is unlogical

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, cataplin said:

Thanks Leo!, so this would mean that the result of committing suicide is conditioned to what the person think and feel about it. 

This assumes you can still think when you're dead.

Judgment is thinking.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Leo Gura

[YaNanNallari]

I've heard people start from the same level of consciousness as where they left

[Hojo]

@michaelcycle00 i was replying to op it was directly in his statement