Semen Retention - Not sure how, but it works every time.

[gleb]

Yo, 

I typically lurk and visit this forum every now and again to kiss the feet of our cult leader (hi Leo ) but today I am am breaking a several year long streak of silence to chat about something near and dear to my development, especially regarding women and dating: Semen Retention. 

DISCLAIMER: I am not dogmatic about SR, think the entire "nofap" community is a little ridiculous and under baked, and don't live by a creed regarding this. Porn and jerking is obviously not good or bad as with any activity. I don't view myself in negative light when I bust to a porn video and you probably shouldn't either.  IDGAF what Actualized's community groupthink is on this either, though the consensus seems to be split. 

I've gone through periods of deep abstinence and periods of over release. At the moment, I am moving from a period of moderate release/porn consumption to one of soft abstinence (have a consistent girl, but don't release every time) and as per usual I have some PERSONAL observations and benefits that many folks shrug off as a placebo. However, I really don't buy it. 

1st: PORN:

There may or may not be science to support the benefits that one gleans from abstaining from porn and I don't want to get into piecing apart the studies. The only logical vein I entertain regarding the "porn and jerk bad" ideology is the principle of overstimulation and what's called the "coolidge effect". This makes sense to me. I can actually feel the horsepower in my mind and senses go down a gear if I have a jerk session that involves multiple videos, edging, etc. I believe and support the super stimulus label that porn gets.

I remember having over a years worth of abstinence and returning to a video and it genuinely felt like I took a substance. My pulse was outrageously high, excessive salivation and euphoria, flushing, was on the verge of cumming my pants in literal seconds. Through the FLOOD of overstimulation, I had an insight that crystalized in me the idea that porn is likely far more powerful of a stimulus than we think - especially since most red blooded males have had a consistent HD stream of it for several years. How can you know/remember what it felt before you nuked yourself with videos of outrageously attractive women in perfect lighting getting dicked down? Toss some novelty into the mix and a fleshlight and you've in essence cross-faded yourself without ingesting anything. 

 

2nd: Just jerking/ real sex?

All I have is personal experience for this. Internally I felt a hair sharper, noticed myself caring and feeling more sensitive to my girlfriend's desires at the time, possibly a bump in energy, harder erections, etc. This level never felt much different from what the fapstronauts call the PMO state, but I definitely can attest to feeling less mentally dented after release than when I did in conjunction with pornography.  I could see this all the changes here being a placebo or related to the return of baseline sensitivity. 

 

3rd: Holding that nut IN

Here is where things get esoteric and beyond explanation. Bear with me as alot of these are approximations of the changes occurring during the mentioned  time frames.

FOR ME with years of reliability: 

• 1st week. There is a noticeable spike in energy and horniness. My shy personality (which usually takes a dash of willpower to overcome when I am consistently releasing) starts to slowly evaporate down to about 20% of its usual strength. My chronic fatigue starts to fade.
• 2nd week. Genuinely feels like I have unlocked access to key words, phrasing, and intuition directly relating to seducing girls. I just have it. The "state" feels mostly permanent. I've always had intuition to the energetic systems in my body and let me tell you that it feels like energetic whips connected to my kidney start flailing and crossing somewhere in the solar plexus region around this time. Sometimes its very strong, sometimes I don't detect it. I can feel a certain "charge" permeating my entire body. I describe it as feeling like a loaded gun. Body and face posture change without explanation or conscious regulating. 
• 3rd week. Look dude, the female attraction thing guys are reporting is REAL PHENOMENON. How exactly it works is beyond comprehension and I have tried to look at it from every angle. It just happens. All I know is that around this time girls are "dropping hankies" left and right and I am so happy to pick them up with a confidence that is significantly pronounced.
  • Personality starts to dominate social situations more frequently.
  • Quiet reserve of energy magnifies and focus at work and gym is 15-20% better. 
  • More euphoria from everyday activities and sensitivity to music. I am a metal head and Megadeth is especially sexy during this time :).
  • Anger and frustration can come in here too. Difficulty regulating emotions sometimes if they start to turn negative.
  • Insights considerably amplify. Different patterns of thinking emerge. 
• 4th week beyond: Consistency in the above that remains for several months. Features actually start to change - a weird sheen started forming on exterior of my skin. My mother made a comment on it back in college asking what I had been doing to my skin when I was on a 90+ day streak. Hadn't done jack fellas. 
  • Law of attraction accelerates and coincidences become more frequent. 

 

Closing thoughts:

3+ weeks of holding it in - just recently had a trip to Vegas on business and got 3 lays in 3 days without hunting. One of them was a 41 year old cutie from Miami (I'm 25).  One was a hippie girl from Oregon with hairy arm pits. One was an Egyptian girl that lost 21,000 gambling in one night. But I also got a number in the gym after busting 3 times over the weekend with a longer term girlfriend so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have always had decent natural game but I don't practice. I'm an average looking dude that lifts and has a nice vocabulary and intuition. Something changes on SR man. It all just clicks. I can read her like a book. The sensitivity gain tunes me into every one of her gorgeous movements, what she says without saying it, where her body is positioned, etc. Its beautiful and its too consistent for me to believe that it's simply me reacting to my beliefs about the practice. There's a definite energetic shift that assists and extends beyond seduction.

I encourage all dudes to try it for at least 4 weeks. See if your success in dating and relationships changes. The neediness to release or "get a girl" fades after the 1st week (at least for me). If it doesn't, fap away!

Happy to answer any questions! I've been on and off practicing for nearly a decade now.

 

[Yarco]

Personally I've always noticed a peak in testosterone, confidence, everything around 7 - 10 days and then I don't notice any additional benefit after that. Usually the first few days are tempting, then after a week my desire drops off entirely, and starts to get tempting again around 2 - 3 weeks. 
I also feel like it takes about a week for my body to build up the max amount of semen, then I can tell that it starts "recycling" and going back to a normal amount, if that makes sense. Like if you jerk off a lot, your body is used to overproducing. So when you do SR it keeps going and takes a while to realize and compensate.

I guess it's about time so I'll give it another 4 weeks and report back though. (Although what you said about the week 3 attraction thing is also true, I dunno if my wife will let me get that far, hah.)

[Kshantivadin]

On 6/29/2022 at 5:46 AM, Aleister Crowleyy said:

Bramacharya is the greatest way to be pragmatic in life(utilitarian in nature).

Brahmacharya is celibacy my friend. You refer more to some sex magick or jing/ojas cultivation.

[petar8p]

Sounds cool. I once did it for over 100 days in high school. Felt some.effects but not to this extent everybody is describing. Will try 10 days and start reporting if I succeed and notice something.

 

 

 

[petar8p]

I'm on Day 5 and yes, I do notice already more reaction from the girls. My skin seems to be cleaner but I'm not sure if it's a direct result of that.

 

It's not even that hard realistically you just need to let go of 2-3 temptations a day, that's it. 

 

Also the time I would use to masturbate now I look how to focus on more creative and beneficial things. 

 

Noticing about 15% boost in energy as well.

[BlessedLion]

SR is possibly one of the most powerful spiritual practices that exists. I find it benefits me in ways I can’t even describe. Also I totally agree on the porn, I would say I have an addiction but am currently on my longest streak without it, about 60 days now. It’s been a journey of like 6 years trying to quit porn so yeah it’s a massive drug and most guys don’t realize how addicted they are until they try to stop. 
 

I also find if I watch it after a 30 day break from it I’m like sooo high from the images and it’s like I did 10 lines of cocaine. So yeah, stop bullshitting yourselves on “it’s healthy” “it’s not a big deal” 

 

On another note Semen Retention is God mode, but I also think it’s genetic. Some guys benefit massively from SR and some don’t feel much. My opinion is this has to do with sex drive and libido. If you have a high libido and partake in SR it will skyrocket your Avatar. 
 

I become so focused grounded and authentic and it’s like my mind is quiet. It’s our natural state. We aren’t supposed to be busting nuts every day. there’s so much spiritual reading on the significance of SR. And the best part is you can still have sex (better sex imo) and just not ejaculate. It keeps you goin all night especially when you learn to move the energy from balls to brain up the spine. Multiple orgasms and energy. 
 

anyway thanks for the post and reminder. Sounds like your Vegas trip was solid!

[Holymoly]

i think one of the damaging things about semen retention is the regret, frustration and or sadness that comes when you ejaculate. if you can do SR without becoming attached to the results and/or it becoming this big project that you 'doing' haha its powerful. 

[petar8p]

9 hours ago, JoeVolcano said:

And I would also separate the physiological effects from the psychological effects, because the latter vary greatly from person to person.

What do you exactly mean by this. Who is supposed to seperate those effects?

[David der Adler]

Hi,

Thank God I found this thread because most of the time you only find people who overhype this or are clearly biased because they can't get their hands off themselves.

So I think confidence will be enhanced through SR because you resist your reptilian brain. And the more you can trust yourself not to fall for pleasure and temptation you begin to trust yourself = confidence.

I don't say this because I have lots of experience in SR, but this is just true overall in every aspect of life. 

And of course, pleasure is part of life but I think you should be able to choose those consciously and not with your reptilian brain.

So I started SR and I am currently on Day 7.

To get this cool thread going I will share my experience if I am at Day 90 or something.

Because trying out for yourself is truly the only way to find out. 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by David der Adler

[AJBrew]

Some of the benefits mentioned here such as higher intuition, confidence and having a sharper mind is too real.

The temptation for porn after four to five days feels awful though.

The problem in my case is that I've saved so many porn pics on my ipad and computer that its made the process that much harder

Edited January 17, 2023 by AJBrew

[Aiwass]

1. I track when I ejaculate, both time and day in my Google calendar.
2. Day 3 I feel horny again.
3. After day 7 I transform into a mass pervert. 
4. 7+ I can sit in my room for 8 hours, staring at a fork or a kasina disk.
5. Day 14 I am so horny I could do things no man should speak of to the back-side of a pretty young lady - using only my mouth.
6. I never make it past day 14
7. Damn, POIS is real..

Edited January 17, 2023 by Aiwass

[MarkKol]

I think it (might) come down to one simple thing: Being more horny & sensitive means being more passionate about sex and women, and that passion pours over into other domains of your life, like career.
 

I changed my mind about semen retention & nofap. It might actually work. every form of addiction is bad.

Edited January 17, 2023 by MarkKol

[Michal__]

5 hours ago, Aiwass said:

1. I track when I ejaculate, both time and day in my Google calendar.
2. Day 3 I feel horny again.
3. After day 7 I transform into a mass pervert. 
4. 7+ I can sit in my room for 8 hours, staring at a fork or a kasina disk.
5. Day 14 I am so horny I could do things no man should speak of to the back-side of a pretty young lady - using only my mouth.
6. I never make it past day 14
7. Damn, POIS is real..

 

On 28. 6. 2022 at 11:22 PM, gleb said:

Yo, 

I typically lurk and visit this forum every now and again to kiss the feet of our cult leader (hi Leo ) but today I am am breaking a several year long streak of silence to chat about something near and dear to my development, especially regarding women and dating: Semen Retention. 

DISCLAIMER: I am not dogmatic about SR, think the entire "nofap" community is a little ridiculous and under baked, and don't live by a creed regarding this. Porn and jerking is obviously not good or bad as with any activity. I don't view myself in negative light when I bust to a porn video and you probably shouldn't either.  IDGAF what Actualized's community groupthink is on this either, though the consensus seems to be split. 

I've gone through periods of deep abstinence and periods of over release. At the moment, I am moving from a period of moderate release/porn consumption to one of soft abstinence (have a consistent girl, but don't release every time) and as per usual I have some PERSONAL observations and benefits that many folks shrug off as a placebo. However, I really don't buy it. 

1st: PORN:

There may or may not be science to support the benefits that one gleans from abstaining from porn and I don't want to get into piecing apart the studies. The only logical vein I entertain regarding the "porn and jerk bad" ideology is the principle of overstimulation and what's called the "coolidge effect". This makes sense to me. I can actually feel the horsepower in my mind and senses go down a gear if I have a jerk session that involves multiple videos, edging, etc. I believe and support the super stimulus label that porn gets.

I remember having over a years worth of abstinence and returning to a video and it genuinely felt like I took a substance. My pulse was outrageously high, excessive salivation and euphoria, flushing, was on the verge of cumming my pants in literal seconds. Through the FLOOD of overstimulation, I had an insight that crystalized in me the idea that porn is likely far more powerful of a stimulus than we think - especially since most red blooded males have had a consistent HD stream of it for several years. How can you know/remember what it felt before you nuked yourself with videos of outrageously attractive women in perfect lighting getting dicked down? Toss some novelty into the mix and a fleshlight and you've in essence cross-faded yourself without ingesting anything. 

 

2nd: Just jerking/ real sex?

All I have is personal experience for this. Internally I felt a hair sharper, noticed myself caring and feeling more sensitive to my girlfriend's desires at the time, possibly a bump in energy, harder erections, etc. This level never felt much different from what the fapstronauts call the PMO state, but I definitely can attest to feeling less mentally dented after release than when I did in conjunction with pornography.  I could see this all the changes here being a placebo or related to the return of baseline sensitivity. 

 

3rd: Holding that nut IN

Here is where things get esoteric and beyond explanation. Bear with me as alot of these are approximations of the changes occurring during the mentioned  time frames.

FOR ME with years of reliability: 

• 1st week. There is a noticeable spike in energy and horniness. My shy personality (which usually takes a dash of willpower to overcome when I am consistently releasing) starts to slowly evaporate down to about 20% of its usual strength. My chronic fatigue starts to fade.
• 2nd week. Genuinely feels like I have unlocked access to key words, phrasing, and intuition directly relating to seducing girls. I just have it. The "state" feels mostly permanent. I've always had intuition to the energetic systems in my body and let me tell you that it feels like energetic whips connected to my kidney start flailing and crossing somewhere in the solar plexus region around this time. Sometimes its very strong, sometimes I don't detect it. I can feel a certain "charge" permeating my entire body. I describe it as feeling like a loaded gun. Body and face posture change without explanation or conscious regulating. 
• 3rd week. Look dude, the female attraction thing guys are reporting is REAL PHENOMENON. How exactly it works is beyond comprehension and I have tried to look at it from every angle. It just happens. All I know is that around this time girls are "dropping hankies" left and right and I am so happy to pick them up with a confidence that is significantly pronounced.
  • Personality starts to dominate social situations more frequently.
  • Quiet reserve of energy magnifies and focus at work and gym is 15-20% better. 
  • More euphoria from everyday activities and sensitivity to music. I am a metal head and Megadeth is especially sexy during this time :).
  • Anger and frustration can come in here too. Difficulty regulating emotions sometimes if they start to turn negative.
  • Insights considerably amplify. Different patterns of thinking emerge. 
• 4th week beyond: Consistency in the above that remains for several months. Features actually start to change - a weird sheen started forming on exterior of my skin. My mother made a comment on it back in college asking what I had been doing to my skin when I was on a 90+ day streak. Hadn't done jack fellas. 
  • Law of attraction accelerates and coincidences become more frequent. 

 

Closing thoughts:

3+ weeks of holding it in - just recently had a trip to Vegas on business and got 3 lays in 3 days without hunting. One of them was a 41 year old cutie from Miami (I'm 25).  One was a hippie girl from Oregon with hairy arm pits. One was an Egyptian girl that lost 21,000 gambling in one night. But I also got a number in the gym after busting 3 times over the weekend with a longer term girlfriend so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have always had decent natural game but I don't practice. I'm an average looking dude that lifts and has a nice vocabulary and intuition. Something changes on SR man. It all just clicks. I can read her like a book. The sensitivity gain tunes me into every one of her gorgeous movements, what she says without saying it, where her body is positioned, etc. Its beautiful and its too consistent for me to believe that it's simply me reacting to my beliefs about the practice. There's a definite energetic shift that assists and extends beyond seduction.

I encourage all dudes to try it for at least 4 weeks. See if your success in dating and relationships changes. The neediness to release or "get a girl" fades after the 1st week (at least for me). If it doesn't, fap away!

Happy to answer any questions! I've been on and off practicing for nearly a decade now.

 

I think the benefits are the same as with fasting. Both abstaining from food or sexual activity for a time period gives me the same benefits. And the rebound is the same too (with fasting it is harder to digest food for a while, giving you the food equivalent of POIS. If I abstain from sexual activity for days /weeks I get POIS too. If I have any type of sexual activity frequently I dont have ANY POIS. Same with food.)

a) women get automatically attracted with both fasting and retention

b) manifestation is way easier

c) meditation is way easier

I am almost certain that it is about self mastery (not some magic seed) and the attraction is because women can intuit it from micro behavior. That is why fasting can have the magical pussy magnet effect too.

The reason why manifestation works so well after a certain period is that it builds your will. The closer your will is to Will the better it works.

[Aiwass]

2 hours ago, Michal__ said:

 

I think the benefits are the same as with fasting. Both abstaining from food or sexual activity for a time period gives me the same benefits. And the rebound is the same too (with fasting it is harder to digest food for a while, giving you the food equivalent of POIS. If I abstain from sexual activity for days /weeks I get POIS too. If I have any type of sexual activity frequently I dont have ANY POIS. Same with food.)

a) women get automatically attracted with both fasting and retention

b) manifestation is way easier

c) meditation is way easier

I am almost certain that it is about self mastery (not some magic seed) and the attraction is because women can intuit it from micro behavior. That is why fasting can have the magical pussy magnet effect too.

The reason why manifestation works so well after a certain period is that it builds your will. The closer your will is to Will the better it works.

This is correct in my experience. If I am fasting or in Ketosis (0.5+), then It feels like Bramacharya. Sugar and carbs may be what makes POIS present itself to the degree which it does. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Aiwass

[AJBrew]

Interesting thing to mention here about edging. I had almost relapsed the other day but was instead able to just edge which I believe made the situation worse.

I developed physiological feelings of negative tension like insecurity and anxiety in my body afterwards. There was soreness as well but it has subsided the day after. I'm certain going to the gym will stabilize this issue.

I'm not sure what this does energetically when edging, but it definitely isn't good.

Is the practice of raising the energy from your balls up your body through your spine a difficult process?

Edited January 17, 2023 by AJBrew

[Aiwass]

34 minutes ago, AJBrew said:

Interesting thing to mention here about edging. I had almost relapsed the other day but was instead able to just edge which I believe made the situation worse.

I developed physiological feelings of negative tension like insecurity and anxiety in my body afterwards. There was soreness as well but it has subsided the day after. I'm certain going to the gym will stabilize this issue.

I'm not sure what this does energetically when edging, but it definitely isn't good.

Is the practice of raising the energy from your balls up your body through your spine a difficult process?

1.  Edging is a great way to express the energies and increase wakefulless. 
2. Try Edging hands-free by doing Moola(mulah) Bandha in sphinx pose or sitting in a chair. I could make a post on it but people might get offended by certain siddhis. I never touch my genitals. I can cum in 7 seconds, hands free, but choose to not as a way to reach sahasrara/malkuth!
3.  There is nothing bad about touching any part of your physical body. Raising the energy requires extreme control of compulsion. Edging enhances the pre-frontal cortex by training your willpower, through resisting compulsions. 
4.  Look at sexual imagery instead of videos. Videos are what have been proven to decrease gray matter, etc etc.
5.  I wonder if ejaculating has an impact on thyroid function as well as testosterone levels. They claim it doesn't. They claim all this is bullshit. What the OP wrote is exactly what I experince every single time. It might have a connection to pranic levels.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Aiwass

[AJBrew]

@Aiwass Interesting, ill have to give some of these yogic practices a try.

My issue with this abstinence is creating so sort of intimacy or circulation of the intense energy in the lower chakras without ejaculation, or else I become very tense. Even looking at exaggerated sexual imagery leaves an imprint in my mind for a couple days and throws off the equilibrium.

Casual ejaculation definitely has some noticeable negative physiological and mental/emotional effects; at least in my experience. 

I remember in my early 20's I used to smoke a sativa and listen to blissful music out in nature. This experience gave me no desire to masturbate or have sex and led me to have very profound open heart experiences. I wonder if that sexual energy that built up was just naturally circulating through the body at that point.

Edited January 17, 2023 by AJBrew

[gleb]

11 hours ago, Michal__ said:

 

I think the benefits are the same as with fasting. Both abstaining from food or sexual activity for a time period gives me the same benefits. And the rebound is the same too (with fasting it is harder to digest food for a while, giving you the food equivalent of POIS. If I abstain from sexual activity for days /weeks I get POIS too. If I have any type of sexual activity frequently I dont have ANY POIS. Same with food.)

a) women get automatically attracted with both fasting and retention

b) manifestation is way easier

c) meditation is way easier

I am almost certain that it is about self mastery (not some magic seed) and the attraction is because women can intuit it from micro behavior. That is why fasting can have the magical pussy magnet effect too.

The reason why manifestation works so well after a certain period is that it builds your will. The closer your will is to Will the better it works.

Kind of a shocking synchronicity that you mentioned fasting. I’m a bodybuilder and have been stuffing my face for close to a year. Took a ~30 hour fast this weekend and will be exploring more closely in the coming months. 

[gleb]

6 hours ago, AJBrew said:

Interesting thing to mention here about edging. I had almost relapsed the other day but was instead able to just edge which I believe made the situation worse.

I developed physiological feelings of negative tension like insecurity and anxiety in my body afterwards. There was soreness as well but it has subsided the day after. I'm certain going to the gym will stabilize this issue.

I'm not sure what this does energetically when edging, but it definitely isn't good.

Is the practice of raising the energy from your balls up your body through your spine a difficult process?

I find most energy work form is visualization based. So if you want to breathe into your balls and imagine the energy pouring like a fountain out of your head that may help. 
 

Channeling via exercise seems to be the most consistent way of getting the energy out for me. 

[AJBrew]

@glebo_o It's interesting you mention that. I practiced today moving that burning sensation from my crotch upwards and was able to move it to my heart when thinking about loved ones, I am completely blown away.