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Yeah! The dreams have been wild lately! Sometimes very negative too..


Don't try to become a Buddha. Just be yourself. That is the Buddha.

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Great news for all 5-meo aficionados.....

Dr. Martin W. Ball has released his brand new book "Entheogenic Liberation: Unraveling the Enigma of Nonduality with 5-Meo-Dmt Energetic Therapy - The Worlds most Comprehensive work on 5-Meo-DMT and Nonduality"

If you are interested in achieving non-dual liberation then the book is for you. For me personally I find the message of Mr. Ball very fascinating and penetrating with the powerful message of truth with a no-bullshit approach on enlightenment. I have aquired this substance but Im still working up to experiencing it and going deeper with the process of self-discovery and energetic liberation. For me, small amounts of magic fungi have opened my doors of perception and made me humble and dedicated to the path.

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Does 5-meo have any fatal or long lasting psychological side effects even if taken in normal dosage? what is the best way to get its purest form other than on the deep web?

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No sourcing.. 

In regards to "normal dose". A friend of mine has done small doses after his 2 breakthrough experiences and they have been very intense. Much more intense than anticipated. So long lasting negative side effects could be traumatic experiences during the trip. After all it is a high intensity experience and with all intense experiences there's a chance of failure or trauma. But that's the case with other more daring ventures too. 

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@egoless Start with 1g of mushrooms or half a tab of LSD. So you get some idea of what psychedelics can do. Then you won't worry so much about "fatal side effects".

It is not like psychedelics are some unknown quantity. They have been empirically tested by tens of millions of people all over the world, for over 5000 years, both in clinical settings and in real life settings. Psychedelic deaths are extremely rare, and almost always trace down to ridiculous levels of improper protocol, like taking mushroom on a rooftop.


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 @Leo Gura had some experience with MDMA but never did heavy psychedelics. Did it to strengthen the perception and expression of feelings - not only for recreational use. And it had some permanent positive effects tbh. I imagine how would psychedelics shift "your world".

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6 minutes ago, egoless said:

I imagine how would psychedelics shift "your world".

That's the thing. It's impossible to imagine. That's the most amazing part of this whole journey. It's infinitely more than you ever expected to get out of life.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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@Leo Gura Before you tried 5-Meo. How did you prove to yourself that it would not affect your objective assertion of the upcoming trip? How did you make yourself sure that what you would experience will be different than the drug induced illusion? I have underlined the word before because after the trip normal person may become subjective because of utterly positive sensations. I know you well from you content a long time and know your intellectual potential to oppose to that subjectiveness but still...

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the thing. It's impossible to imagine. That's the most amazing part of this whole journey. It's infinitely more than you ever expected to get out of life.

This. Our potential is completely mind blowing. 

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@Leo Gura @zikzak and others experimenting with 5meo, how many times did you try until the breakthrough dose and how much was it?

I tried twice, first time was really subtle but I could feel the energy, second time was hellish, I couldnt wait for the whole eye of the tornado sensation to go away, I felt like my body couldnt handle the amount of energy that was receiving, now I gonna try the third time and I'm a "bit" afraid :/

The first dose was 17mg, second 27mg and third is gonna be 35mg, I'm snorting it, I followed all the steps, tilting my head upside down, massaging the nostrils etc, but I think the ROA wastes a considerable amount of the substance so I'm seriously thinking in converting it to freebase.. Also vaporizing I cant overdose, Leo said above 35mg can be lethal 9_9

 


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10 hours ago, egoless said:

@Leo Gura Before you tried 5-Meo. How did you prove to yourself that it would not affect your objective assertion of the upcoming trip? How did you make yourself sure that what you would experience will be different than the drug induced illusion? I have underlined the word before because after the trip normal person may become subjective because of utterly positive sensations. I know you well from you content a long time and know your intellectual potential to oppose to that subjectiveness but still...

When you trip, you drop all that monkey-mind and be TOTALLY open to ANYTHING.

Your fear of delusion is -- ironically -- keeping you stuck in delusion.

All that's required to access Absolute Truth is a 100% GENUINE intent for Truth. Set it as your highest priority to be shown the Truth. Drop all your judgments, worries, expectations, pet theories, ideologies, rationalizations, etc. Just the GENUINE intent for Truth. That's all that's required. Then you'll be shown the stairway to heaven. But first your cup must be emptied.

You just have to learn to be epistemically very humble. Which is a topic I've covered a lot in past episodes.

When you hear me speak or make claims about anything, you have to understand that that's just the surface. Deep down, I don't hold any of it as true. Reality is beyond all that.

6 hours ago, MsNobody said:

@Leo Gura @zikzak and others experimenting with 5meo, how many times did you try until the breakthrough dose and how much was it?

I tried twice, first time was really subtle but I could feel the energy, second time was hellish, I couldnt wait for the whole eye of the tornado sensation to go away, I felt like my body couldnt handle the amount of energy that was receiving, now I gonna try the third time and I'm a "bit" afraid :/

The first dose was 17mg, second 27mg and third is gonna be 35mg, I'm snorting it, I followed all the steps, tilting my head upside down, massaging the nostrils etc, but I think the ROA wastes a considerable amount of the substance so I'm seriously thinking in converting it to freebase.. Also vaporizing I cant overdose, Leo said above 35mg can be lethal 9_9

I think it happened for me on the 3rd dose, which was 30mg.

Vaporizing is more powerful than snorting. You certainly can over do it. You have to be much more careful and skilled with vaporizing. The technique requires some trial and error to get right.


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5 hours ago, MsNobody said:

@Leo Gura @zikzak and others experimenting with 5meo, how many times did you try until the breakthrough dose and how much was it?

I tried twice, first time was really subtle but I could feel the energy, second time was hellish, I couldnt wait for the whole eye of the tornado sensation to go away, I felt like my body couldnt handle the amount of energy that was receiving, now I gonna try the third time and I'm a "bit" afraid :/

The first dose was 17mg, second 27mg and third is gonna be 35mg, I'm snorting it, I followed all the steps, tilting my head upside down, massaging the nostrils etc, but I think the ROA wastes a considerable amount of the substance so I'm seriously thinking in converting it to freebase.. Also vaporizing I cant overdose, Leo said above 35mg can be lethal 9_9

 

I would never bother to snort it. For longer duration I would experiment with rectal administration instead - no drip or discomfort. And much more accurate dosing. Otherwise I personally like the quick onset of smoking/vaporizing. I did around 11 mg first time and broke through on that. I think I was a bit lucky that I actually managed to use the pipe properly and get the whole amount. I recently got a Health Stone. I'd recommend one. It's ridiculously easy to use  and very efficient. Freebase pipes are a hassle compared to it. 

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How should you check its purity? Is there any testkit or smth? 

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15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When you trip, you drop all that monkey-mind and be TOTALLY open to ANYTHING.

Your fear of delusion is -- ironically -- keeping you stuck in delusion.

All that's required to access Absolute Truth is a 100% GENUINE intent for Truth. Set it as your highest priority to be shown the Truth. Drop all your judgments, worries, expectations, pet theories, ideologies, rationalizations, etc. Just the GENUINE intent for Truth. That's all that's required. Then you'll be shown the stairway to heaven. But first your cup must be emptied.

You just have to learn to be epistemically very humble. Which is a topic I've covered a lot in past episodes.

When you hear me speak or make claims about anything, you have to understand that that's just the surface. Deep down, I don't hold any of it as true. Reality is beyond all that.

I was really excited for this response and it delivered!


"it's all about love... making some else's existence just a little easier. Nothing else matters, I know this now."

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10 hours ago, zikzak said:

I would never bother to snort it. For longer duration I would experiment with rectal administration instead - no drip or discomfort. And much more accurate dosing.

Yes! And the award for most underrated ROA goes to...!


"it's all about love... making some else's existence just a little easier. Nothing else matters, I know this now."

-Terence McKenna
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On 29/1/2017 at 6:13 PM, Azrael said:

ou realize that you chose and choose every program, every situation, every action and reaction that ever occurred for you. You see that you did that in a kind of super-conscious way

Fuck Im out. is not this free will?

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8 hours ago, Not a shaolin monk said:

Fuck Im out. is not this free will?

Well, not really. It really depends here which level we observe. I didn't talk about the normal individual level. I talked about  the mechanisms "above that", that make the human and his world and everything he knows possible. And I wouldn't say that it has free will because there is not an entity you could attribute that freeness to, however it does occur freely and spontaneously in the sense that it is a-mechanical, it just is. It is highly intelligent, follows certain patterns but doesn't is the victim of a process itself. It creates processes. Very abstract thing were are talking about here. Maybe just experience it for yourself, then it's clearer.

But basically, you can prove and disprove most of the concepts you know just by looking at them from different levels. On one level it might be the one way, on another it might be the opposite. Look at physics, at one level Newtonian physics can be proven empirically for a lot of things, on another level quantum mechanics work and Newtonian doesn't. On other levels again, quantum mechanics doesn't work no more. It's this ever-changing fractal that you cannot put in one of your models - because it is the thing that makes you and your world possible. So it is axiomatic to you and your world and by that nature can never be implied by something you or your world do. Dig that.


They want reality, so I give 'em a fatal dosage.

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I cannot speak from personal experience with 5-Meo-Dmt, but I just read Martin Balls newest book "Entheogenic Liberation" and it impressed me. Especially how practical and basically concept-free this book is. There is nothing really in there that one has to believe. I guess, if one wants to work with 5-Meo-Dmt to become liberated from the constrains of the ego, the book is the best resource available on the topic.

 

But personally I am not willing to take the substance (yet). 

I do not see it necessary for the moment. I feel very much at peace with myself right now and have too much fear of taking it, which comes from several tough mushroom trips in the past. So I know hellish experiences do exists and I don't want to find myself in there again, thinking to myself "you idiot did it again" :D
Anyone here who has dealt with that feeling of eternal hell on 5-meo (or any other psychedelic)? Maybe one has to work through it... As I have now intellectually understood, these experiences were my egoic attachments, identifications and rejections of the experience arising.

My question is does intellectual understanding help me in my next psychedelic encounter? I did not have that understanding last time. But then also, in those experiences all concepts go out the window anyways.

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