The 5-MeO-DMT Mega-Thread

[Alex_R]

Program a coin flip generator in Python with the strings "Love" and "Hate", flip it 100 times while being on Psychedelics, see the result.

[Soul Flight]

Howdy.

Sorry if these questions were already answered. I did not read the entire thread.

Can I plug 5MeO-DMT freebase if it is dissolved in vinegar? Will the acidity burn my anus? Can I dilute with baking soda? Will that be too much volume of liquid?  Does it take too much 5MeO-DMT freebase and it is best to vape smaller amounts to conserve supply? How can I tell the difference between freebase and HCl? Freebase is flakier and chunkier? HCl is powder? Insert between 2 and 8 inches to avoid MAO enzymatic breakdown? If it is HCl can I plug with water or saline?

And just to confirm, I can plug NN DMT with water if it is the HCl or salt form? Or how do you tell if your NN DMT is salt or freebase? Freebase NN DMT cannot be plugged?

Thanks 

[OBEler]

@Soul Flight you can plug freebase 5 meo. No Burning in ass with vinegar if you use 1 drop of vinegar with two to three drops of water 

[Starlight321]

@Soul Flight use as little white vinegar as possible. Freebase is poorly water soluble hence converting it into salt via vinegar. you are right with the importance of hitting the right depth injecting it. Put rubber band around number six on the scale of the one ml siringe and that should be how deep you'll insert it. You might adjust it a little for your body though. Don't inject too past, let it slowly trickle. You should notice 10 mg, if not adjust the depth and you position. Your butt should point up like a dog on its 4 feet. No soda needed. Slowly up your dose from 10/15mg in 5 mg steps. Some might end up with 40mg.

Watch this video:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics

 

I wouldn't plug nn dmt on your place because you will need rediculesly much and waste substance. Consume some with harmalas but never consume 5 meo dmt with harmalas. It's too easy to kill yourself if you're not an expert and even then...

Edited June 20, 2023 by Starlight321

[sponge]

@Starlight321 Your tips are always on point, thank you

I have some 5-MeO- MALT HCL and I plugged 5mg yesterday. Felt it very lightly. Gonna try 10mg today.

Two questions:

1) There are diverging opinions on whether to plug 0.4ml or 1ml. What's your opinion?

2) The old original rectal RoA (written for heroin) insists that you should stay standing until you really feel it. That's what I did, but your post talked about "Your butt should point up like a dog on its 4 feet". Does that work better than standing for you? How many minutes before you lay down?

[OBEler]

@sponge just some seconds are enough. standing also. dont need to wait until you feel it, thats a myth

[LSD-Rumi]

1 hour ago, sponge said:

insists that you should stay standing until you really feel it. That's what I did, but your post talked about "Your butt should point up like a dog on its 4 feet"

I just keep the syringe in my ass for five minutes, no leak what so ever, and maximum absorption.

[OBEler]

@LSD-Rumi what if I tell you 5 seconds are enough to get the best absorption. You are making things complicated or do you like it to have something 5 minutes in your ass

[LSD-Rumi]

29 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@LSD-Rumi what if I tell you 5 seconds are enough to get the best absorption. You are making things complicated or do you like it to have something 5 minutes in your ass

I actually do 

[sponge]

@LSD-Rumi @OBEler Thanks for the info, it will be useful on my next trip  Tomorrow!  

I'm just softly landing from 2 hours on 10mg of plugged 5-MeO-MALT hcl, diluted to 0.8ml. 

Your tips would have saved me a lot of boring standing  I always keep the syringe in for a couple of minutes, I think it definitely helps me relax  

Just like I keep L paper lingering under my tongue way past the standard 60 seconds, until it disappears on its own... actually, that's not a good analogy, if the syringe disappears it might be hard to recover later  

[sponge]

Anybody have any experience microdosing 5-MeO?  Like plugging 0.5mg or something?

[OBEler]

@sponge yes. I think it's not useful. You will really feel nothing at all. Plug Minimum dose 1,5 to 3 mg at least to get any effects

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, LSD-Rumi said:

I just keep the syringe in my ass for five minutes

This is completely unnecessary. 5 seconds is all it takes.

[Starlight321]

Has anybody tried dissolving 5 meo in pure citric acid and water to plug it?

[mpechura]

Hi fellas.

Wanted to share a post I created the other day in another thread. I think this could be an appropriate place for that post as I think nasal spray is an amazing ROA. Gerhard also mentioned that plugging and spraying feel different (his words were that these ROAs "affect different chakras" or something of that nature), with which I agree.

Gerhard Fourie's volumetric dosing using nasal spray (contains entertaining and illustrative pictures).

One thing that OBEler pointed out was that an extra 7mg per spray might be too big a jump. Therefore, add twice as much water (10ml vs 20ml) for the same amount of substance. Or, equally, halve the amount of the substance (467mgs vs 234mgs) for the same amount of water. That will get you 3.5mgs of the substance per spray, which may be a wiser dose increment.

My spray nozzle delivers 0.150ml of solution per spray but I've seen sprays that deliver 0.120ml or 0.200ml of water per spray. Doesn't make that much of a difference but I'd say that probably 0.120ml is better than 0.200ml as you'll have less water in your nose.

[maxpechura]

Hi fellas

So I discovered that my post about volumetric dosing using nasal spray has broken pictures (the one directly above). Since I can't edit the original post because I guess it has been too long since I created it, I decided to repost it here with pictures working. Also, this thread needs a bump.

Some time ago Gerhard Fourie recorded a video about volumetric dosing using a nasal spray. I can't seem to find this video any longer. I assume Youtube has deleted it.

I created a nasal solution following the steps as laid out by Gerhard. I like it more than snorting because the experience feels much more potent with the spray given the same amount of chemical. The results are much more consistent as well. With snorting you get clumps of material not dissolving, putting your straw not deep enough into your nostril, etc. Maybe you can master the sniffing technique. I didn't. So I'm seeing snorting as a good way to start so that you can acclimate yourself to the chemical but ultimately you'll need to give it up for something better. When I plugged either 5-Meo-Malt or 5-Meo-Dmt, I'd always get a ego backlash. I can't say why that is. Maybe it's because plugging is more potent than nasal. Maybe it's because I needed to clear out some negative energy. If you don't know what "ego backlash" is, watch the corresponding video on Leo's Youtube channel. But if you have ever had drug comedowns, that's basically what it means. Anyways, I'm revisiting plugging later. I only have had positive experiences with the nasal spray. Burning has never been an issue for me, even with sniffing, but spray can help with that problem too. I also haven't had an issue with feeling sick when using spray on a full stomach. But then I've only plugged on an empty stomach. So I don't know if I get that particular problem in the first place.

I created a step-by-step guide replicating the Gerhard's deleted video on Youtube and shared it with some on these forums. Posting it again for manuel bon's benefit.

First you need to determine how much solution each spray delivers in one spray. Maybe you can figure this out by reading the description on the spray bottle, but I couldn’t, even after having spent some time at my local pharmacy looking at different brands. Here’s a simple trick Gerhard mentioned:
1)      Weigh your solution first.
2)      Spray the nasal spray 5 times.
3)      Weigh it again.
4)      Subtract the difference and divide it by 5.
(40.721 - 39.976) / 5 = 0.150ml

So I get 0.150ml per spray for my nasal spray.

Next, take the nozzle off the bottle using a Philips screwdriver

So a little bit of maths. I know my bottle will fit 10ml of water. 10ml / 0.15ml per spray = 67 sprays. I know that a red 10mg scoop fits around 7mgs of 5-meo-dmt and I want one spray to deliver one 10mg red scoop. So 7mgs * 67 sprays = 467mgs of 5-meo-dmt

I put a rollie paper under the chemical to make the job of delivering the powder into the nasal spray bottle easier. Roll the paper into a tube and upend it into the bottle. Or alternatively use the plastic tray may have been supplied with the scales.

Now measure 10ml of water

And off you go blasting into the infinite

I vape these days and plugging is probably superior anyway, but it's always best to try all the options and understand what works best for you. Like, Gerhard said that he uses his nasal spray while out on public for microdosing (concerts and such). I remember Girzo mentioning he goes around puffing n,n-dmt smoke from his vape. I used the spray while hiking, keeping the dose low enough to still be able to walk. The hike was very colourful and amazing. I think this could be a good solution for someone for tried plugging but feels the experience was too intense.

P.S. You can try the following way of activating different "chakras": you plug, spray and vape all in one session. An entirely unexpected angle of attack.

P.P.S. I've found that children nasal sprays will nebulise less chemical than regular sprays (first suggested to me by Shree). So we are talking around of 0.070ml of chemical. I'd go with these smaller sprays.

Edited April 7, 2024 by maxpechura

[maxpechura]

There is an episode titled “Updated : DMT Vaping With The Zeus Sub Ohm” from Minty Love. It's about how to make non-rebuildable atomiser tank vaping (“sub ohm”) work for you.

That episode is the one from which I learnt most of the stuff that I will talk below. I compiled a short how-to guide to vaping to complement the Minty’s video. It’s for those people who tried snorting or plugging 5-meo-dmt (or 5-meo-malt) but want to try a different ROA (route of administration). I get a feeling from talking to others that vaping is a superior psychedelic delivery method that most people will find their way to in the end. But there are some supplies you need to buy first and a bit of learning curve to this. Another reason why vaping appeals to me is that once you’ve figured out how to do it, it’s available at a moment’s whim any time any place. So, you can make it a permanent lifestyle fixture (i.e., work it into your routine somehow).

Shree pointed out to me that with his emesh rda, vaping smoke smelt like burnt rubber and I never had that problem with sub ohm, which inspired me to write this very guide. In general, I would describe the 5-meo smell more pleasant than unpleasant.

I also have some experience smoking n,n-dmt in the GVG Vapour Genie pipe. I fumbled a lot with it and made mistakes. Nothing wrong with the pipe if you know what you’re doing. But the trips were very difficult on me because I used a lot of substance. Vaping allows you more control over the dosing. In this way, you won’t blast yourself to the smithereens by accident. So if you mostly use a pipe and the going is hard, this could be a reason for you to try ejuice vaping.
 

Supplies you’ll need to buy:

0) Psychedelic (e.g., 5-meo-dmt or 5-meo-malt). Since the freebase version of 5-meo-dmt is as available as the HCL version, you can go with the freebase version.

But what about 5-meo-malt? I haven’t heard from anyone about the freebase version being available anywhere. There’s a way to convert HCL to freebase as discussed here.

However, recently What Am I highlighted that if you dissolve your 5-meo in a liquid vehicle, then you can just use the HCL version. No conversion is (arguably) required.

If you’ve gone emesh rda, you’re not affected by the above discussion and you still need to convert. So, this might be another reason for you to try sub ohm.

It’s even possible to smoke the HCL version of any chemical by applying direct heat (i.e., no liquid carrier involved) the same way you would the freebase version but it’s been reported that the results are poor.

 

1) Mod. I guess any mod will do but if you don’t already have one, go with Geekvape Aegis Solo 100W TC. There are two versions of Solo: V2 and the original V1. Minty argues that V1 is of higher quality than V2 (“temperature control issues”) but only some stores still stock V1 and you will need to be able to tell V2 and V1 apart to get the original. However, there's nothing wrong with V2 either if you aren't too picky. I’ve got version 1 and I’m happy with it. An example of Version 1 can be found here.

2) Battery. The Solo mod uses a 18650 battery. Brand of battery doesn't matter (for intents and purposes of this guide) as long as the size is right (any vape shop will carry these). The available sizes for different mods are: 18650, 20700, 21700

3) Tank. I’ve got Geekvape Z Sub Ohm (Zeus) Tank. I had Cerberus tank and it would leak as it had the “hatch” (airflow control) at the bottom as opposed to at the top like Zeus tank does. So learn from my mistakes.

4) Coils. I’ve got Geekvape Z Series Coils (Pack of 5). Make sure the coils are for Zeus tank (as per the Minty's guide). Coils also come in sizes. Minty recommends (listed in the order of preference) Z0.15, followed by Z0.15XM and, lastly, Z0.2 coils. I’ve got Z0.2 and I’m happy with them. The tank will come with one coil installed inside it. Mostly probably it’s Z0.2. So, these are spares.

5) Vegetable Glycerin (VG). It’s a thickener, i.e., prevents leaking, and it also prevents dry hits. A dry hit is an unpleasant experience in which, when you take a hit from your vaping device, you are left with a bad taste in your mouth and a vapourless hit. This is often the result of there not being enough e-liquid on the wick (in this guide, our wick being coil), which leads to a dry, cotton-like taste in your mouth after inhaling.

6) Propylene Glycol (PG). As per Girzo, Vegetable Glycerin (VG) is responsible for clouding. You don't want big clouds. You want as little smoke as possible. Ideally, you would want propylene glycol (PG) only, but it's impossible. The mix would be too runny and seep in between the gaps of the device. But if you like lots of smoke feel free to use the 50/50 mix. Usually, your choice is between 70/30 and 80/20. You will need to see for yourself if 20% or 30% VG makes more sense to you (or if you can even feel a difference)

7) Drip Tip for the tank. Size 810 for the Zeus tank. Don’t get size 510 by accident. I've got one of these in 810:

8) Syringe. A small syringe preferably (e.g., 1ml, 5ml, 10ml, etc.) with a needle if possible. From your pharmacy or off the internet. They are optional but useful. So, the tank has a narrow hole (“fill port”) through which you will need to deliver your liquid ejuice. As you would imagine, a needle is very narrow. The syringe could also help you measure out 3 ml of PG and 1 ml of VG if you decide to go 75PG/25VG (see below).

Mixing:

Mixing 5-meo-dmt (or maybe 5-meo-malt) ejuice for sub ohm:

1) PG/VG mix ratio: Minty mentions 80PG/20VG and I use that too

So, if you decided to mix 4ml of carrier, then 80% PG means 3.2ml of PG and 20% VG means 0.8ml of VG.

2) Substance to carrier ratio: I go 1:4, meaning 1 gram of 5-meo to 4 ml of PG/VG mix. An important side note here is that Minty mentions the ratio for n,n-dmt. But 5-meo packs more punch than n,n-dmt per mg. 1:4 works for me but if you find that the vaping experience is too intense, then you can dilute the liquid vehicle with more PG/VG mix.

3) Mod wattage: Minty mentions 30W-35W. I set 33W

4) Toke length (holding the substance smoke in your lungs): Minty mentions 6-10 seconds. I would start by holding in the smoke for brief 5 seconds to understand if you didn't take too much.

For example, 1 gram of malt, 3 ml of PG, 1 ml of VG will give you 75/25 1:4.

 

When loading liquid remember to be quick (as Girzo and Minty conveniently pointed out). Otherwise, the liquid will seep through the bottom and you will need to collect it with a syringe and repeat the procedure. This one won't be obvious before you see it for yourself. Basically, at some point your will need to take off the top of your tank and load the liquid carrier (with your syringe, probably). Then you will need to replace the top quickly as to avoid the problem described above.

P.S. Word on the street is that 5-meo-malt from Canada 🇨🇦 is higher quality than the Dutch 🇳🇱 malt. I believe that too. So, if you’re buying malt, get it from Canada.

P.P.S. There’s an alternative of getting a vape pen and then loading your eliquid into a cartridge. People swear by it but I’ve never tried it. So do your own research if that’s the road you want to take.

Edited April 8, 2024 by maxpechura

[Bittu]

I've been talking with spirits or something after my 5-MeO DMT experience a few years ago. It's like a daily habit to talk with these spirits and I can't find a rational explanation for it at all.

[maxpechura]

For the setup described above in my guide for Geekvape Aegis Solo sub ohm vaping, you're using the "plug and play" coils (e.g., Z0.15, Z0.2, etc.). You will only use POWER mode. You won't need other settings (TI, SS, NI, TCR, VPC, BYPASS) that the mod comes with.

To switch the mode of operation for Geekvape Aegis Solo:
1) Press the Fire button 3 times in quick succession to enter the setting mode.
2) Highlight the working mode with the cursor then press the "+" or "-" button to toggle between working modes.

It's not always obvious how to turn the device on or off:
Press the Fire button 5 times in quick succession within 2s

In the Power working mode, press the "+" or "-" button to adjust the power (we want 33W).
The mod will not turn off automatically. Instead, it will go into the stand-by mode draining the battery a little bit over time.
You can charge the device using a cable that the mod comes with.

Cheap Zeus tanks, Z0.15 coils and beautifully crafted drip tips are available on AliExpress.

Here's the mod parts diagram from the owner manual:

Note that the 510 connector shown above is for the tank when you screw it on on top of the mod. You will screw the drip tip on top of the tank. For the Zeus tank, the connector for the drip tip is 810.

Also, on the diagram above the airflow control is located at the bottom of the tank. However, Zeus tanks have airflow opening at the top of the tank, which is a better design because that the juice can’t leak out as the hole is high above.

Here's some guidance from the manual describing loading your liquid vehicle into the tank (Zeus has the capacity of 5ml):

N.B. The user manual states that the mod comes with two 0.4 resistance coils (and we want either 0.15 or 0.2). However, the tank also comes with a coil (preinstalled inside the tank). In the case of Zeus, it’s probably 0.2.

Edited April 25, 2024 by maxpechura

[maxpechura]

Here are some posts I found about possible Routes of Administration:

Spray

Plugging

Snorting - Self-explanatory. Get a 10mg microscoop (shown in the leo's plugging guide above or the red one from ebay). One scoop contains 7mg of 5-meo-dmt (not 10mg).

Smoking a pipe - Vapour Genie and other pipes

Intramuscular injection

Subcutaneous (SQ or Sub-Q) injection - you can also see What Am I's opinion on the subject. Get a 10mg microscoop for measuring out small doses. One scoop contains 7mg of 5-meo-dmt (not 10mg).

Intravenous injection

Vaping - see below for different options

 

What are your choices for vaping your psychedelic?

Vaping ejuice (liquid carrier)

What is ejuice?
E-juice, also known as e-liquid or vape juice, is a liquid mixed with a psychedelic substance used in electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) and vaporizers. It is heated by the device to produce an aerosol (vapour) that users inhale. E-juice can be used with a variety of vaping devices, such as vape pens and box mods.

Non-rebuildable 'Sub Ohm'

Rebuildable 'Sub Ohm’

E-cigarettes and carts (vape pens)

 

“Dry” vaping (vaporising the substance itself as opposed to vaporising liquid)

Emesh rebuildable atomisers (RDA)

Dr. Dabber Boost Evo

 

P.S. Read this article about Dosage measurement on psychonautwiki.

P.P.S. Get a 10mg microscoop

Edited June 23, 2024 by maxpechura