Request to Leo, to make blog post/video about Putin behavior in Ukraine.

[Cireeric]

 

[Preety_India]

Just googled. Russia is no longer communist. Thank God. 

[Ananta]

17 hours ago, Hardkill said:

This may sound cowardly, but given that it's very likely that Russia will end up taking over all of Ukraine, maybe the Ukrainians should surrender to Russia

Yes, to me it does sound cowardly. Why surrender before the country is truly defeated? To surrender now would be to roll over and let Putin have his way. Screw that! Good thing they they a president with some balls! Go president Zelensky! ? 

[Ananta]

Just now, Loba said:

Agreed.

I wish there was some way the West could get more involved without nuclear weapons.
If they roll over, it will give him the idea that other countries will be as easy to take over.

Right!?

We all look like a bunch of pussies!!! Lol. 

[vladorion]

42 minutes ago, Ananta said:

Yes, to me it does sound cowardly. Why surrender before the country is truly defeated? To surrender now would be to roll over and let Putin have his way. Screw that! Good thing they they a president with some balls! Go president Zelensky! ? 

To save lives, maybe.

So far it seems that the Ukrainian government would rather turn Kharkiv into Grozny of 1994.

Edited March 5, 2022 by vladorion

[Ananta]

36 minutes ago, vladorion said:

To save lives, maybe.

So far it seems that the Ukrainian government would rather turn Kharkiv into Grozny of 1994.

Well, with that theory every smaller nation should just hand over there country to the larger countries that threaten them, so no lives are lost. "Here ya go!" 

[Leo Gura]

A very clever move would be to surrender completely, give Putin a glorious victory and homecoming, then when Putin comes to Ukraine for his victory speech, assassinate him.

That's some Game of Thrones shit.

Edit: I am mostly joking.

[Preety_India]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

A very clever move would be to surrender completely, give Putin a glorious victory and homecoming, then when Putin comes to Ukraine for his victory speech, assassinate him.

That's some Game of Thrones shit.

That would also be a betrayal of principles. Not a Roman act. 

 

[vladorion]

10 minutes ago, Ananta said:

Well, with that theory every smaller nation should just hand over there country to the larger countries that threaten them, so no lives are lost. "Here ya go!" 

Would you rather have yourself and your family killed or have your country join another country?

And in this case, Russia doesn't even have plans to take the Ukrainian territory (Maybe just the Donbass region where many people actually wanted Russians to come because shooting and bombing from the Ukrainian side never stopped there since 2014). They're specifically targeting their military, part of which is neo-nazi.

[hello1234]

8 minutes ago, vladorion said:

They're specifically targeting their military, part of which is neo-nazi.

Watching a lot of russian tv aren’t you?

Edited March 5, 2022 by hello1234

[Ananta]

2 minutes ago, vladorion said:

Would you rather have yourself and your family killed or have your country join another country?

I'd rather fight for my country. Also, the other country your talking about joining is a dictatorship. No thanks! 

[zurew]

13 minutes ago, vladorion said:

Would you rather have yourself and your family killed or have your country join another country?

You can add basically a few more thousand soldier and civilian into it not just family or relatives, and i agree with you, this war seems unwinnable to me. The longer it takes for Putin the more lives will be lost, and the more angry he will get to finish what he wants. So basically the question is what is more important your pride or the lives of others. Because other wars could be fought later too ,but with the suprise of initiation. Why do we think that Ukraine can win this war, what are the best arguments for that? Because it's easy to argue in my opinion that Putin is not planning to stop any time soon.

[hello1234]

7 minutes ago, zurew said:

your pride

It is not about the pride, it is about the freedom. Ukraine doesn’t want to be a part of dictatorial stage red putin regime. Would you rather get captured and be tortured for the rest of your life, or fight for a chance of freedom? 

[vladorion]

24 minutes ago, hello1234 said:

Watching a lot of russian tv aren’t you?

I don't watch TV.

Here are a few videos by a Ukrainian guy exposing the lies.

 

 

 

 

[vladorion]

35 minutes ago, Ananta said:

I'd rather fight for my country. Also, the other country your talking about joining is a dictatorship. No thanks! 

People think they're fighting for their country but what they're fighting for is their corrupt government.

[zurew]

44 minutes ago, hello1234 said:

Would you rather get captured and be tortured for the rest of your life, or fight for a chance of freedom? 

I don't think there is a high chance that Ukranians will get tortured . Also you can leave Ukraine if you want to, that way you can go to other places where you can live in more peace. My problem here is that i really can't see how Russia will lose this war, thats why i argued what i argued and thats why i asked the question that what is the best argument for Ukraine winning the war. I can change my position here, but i haven't seen any good arguments for that yet. Fighting for freedom is worthwhile however, if the chance of winning the war is basically almost zero, i don't think trying worth losing lives.

Edited March 5, 2022 by zurew

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A very clever move would be to surrender completely, give Putin a glorious victory and homecoming, then when Putin comes to Ukraine for his victory speech, assassinate him.

That's some Game of Thrones shit.

That would truly be something else and would be a kind of poetic justice for Ukraine.

Though, if you believe Ukraine will inevitably fall to Russia then why doesn't Zelensky and the Ukraine government surrender right now in order to save many more lives from being destroyed and to prevent much more destruction within the entire country?

The Ukraine resistance can fight back for their country another day.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Hardkill

[mmKay]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A very clever move would be to surrender completely, give Putin a glorious victory and homecoming, then when Putin comes to Ukraine for his victory speech, assassinate him.

That's some Game of Thrones shit.

a.k.a pulling the trojan horse in 21 century ?

[Preety_India]

 

 

[Guru Peter Jordanson]

Found a good and trustworthy news website:

https://www.rferl.org/

There is also a Russian equivalent, might be good to share to your confused Russian speaking friend:

https://www.svoboda.org/