What would it take for you to believe someone is Coral?

[thisintegrated]

Before you say anything, I'm not Coral..

 

But I believe I have found what may be the world's first example of stage Coral.  Someone far beyond Sadhguru & Ken Wilbur, with insights beyond anything Leo has uploaded.  After a few months of listening to them I've decided they're most likely legit.  They may even be beyond Coral, but the model's already broken at Coral, lol.

 

What would you expect to see in someone who's definitively beyond Turquoise?  Serious replies only please.

 

If there's enough interest, I may gather some resources on this person.

[Sempiternity]

Well, it's a conundrum. For me, once I reach a certain level of awareness, I will fully realize all other people are fantasies I dreamt up. I also dreamt up Spiral Dynamics. So in a way, there's only one that can become Coral, and that's me. 

[thisintegrated]

13 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

Well, it's a conundrum. For me, once I reach a certain level of awareness, I will fully realize all other people are fantasies I dreamt up. I also dreamt up Spiral Dynamics. So in a way, there's only one that can become Coral, and that's me. 

Those fantasies are real though?

[itachi uchiha]

@thisintegrated who is the person

Name his book/channel/site

[Nahm]

What would it take for you to believe someone is Coral?

Just two beliefs. 

[Happy Lizard]

I took this form an old post:

1. BEIGE (savanna grasslands)
2. PURPLE (the royal color of tribal chiefs and monarchs)
3. RED (hot blooded emotions and the 'fire in your eyes')
4. BLUE (the sky, the heavens, and the True (blue) believer)
5. ORANGE (radiating energy of steel in an industrial furnace)
6. GREEN (green politics, forests, and ecological consciousness)
7. YELLOW (solar power and alternative technologies)
8. TURQUOISE (the color of oceans and Earth as viewed from space)
9. CORAL (life within the deep seas)

Seeing that the pattern is that with each stage the circle of concern is enlarged to include more and more, if you found a stage Coral person I'd guess they would be concerned with marine life ? or living under the sea ?? 

Also, I've read that stages from yellow and above start a new spiral, with each level 'mapping' to the same relative level in the old spiral, meaning yellow/beige, turquoise/purple coral/red etc. 

and since turquoise is noted to have a magic-connection to purple. I'd guess Coral will have power-connection to red. 
I'd be interested to see who is that coral person you've found >> 

[SavourTime]

On 19/2/2022 at 2:04 PM, Happy Lizard said:

I took this form an old post:

1. BEIGE (savanna grasslands)
2. PURPLE (the royal color of tribal chiefs and monarchs)
3. RED (hot blooded emotions and the 'fire in your eyes')
4. BLUE (the sky, the heavens, and the True (blue) believer)
5. ORANGE (radiating energy of steel in an industrial furnace)
6. GREEN (green politics, forests, and ecological consciousness)
7. YELLOW (solar power and alternative technologies)
8. TURQUOISE (the color of oceans and Earth as viewed from space)
9. CORAL (life within the deep seas)

Seeing that the pattern is that with each stage the circle of concern is enlarged to include more and more, if you found a stage Coral person I'd guess they would be concerned with marine life ? or living under the sea ?? 

Also, I've read that stages from yellow and above start a new spiral, with each level 'mapping' to the same relative level in the old spiral, meaning yellow/beige, turquoise/purple coral/red etc. 

and since turquoise is noted to have a magic-connection to purple. I'd guess Coral will have power-connection to red. 
I'd be interested to see who is that coral person you've found >> 

I love this! It reflects the stages really well from my understanding. Coral being related to the life within the deep sea seems odd to understand (me coming from Yellow isn't surprising, lol). It could be a metaphor for the deep "sea" of infinity. I reckon Leo is in Coral right now. Solipsism and Red have a somewhat similarity to them in my eyes. But there's a radical difference in perception. There's a Youtuber who I found through SD and he discusses further stages than Turquoise. I'm not sure on his experience or stage but he has the vibe of knowing what he's talking about. And as people keep saying, after Turquoise it's basically mental masturbation, but it's still interesting to talk about

https://www.youtube.com/wb5nQxhh0Kg

(If someone could tell me how to embed Youtube videos that would be great, lol)

Edited February 26, 2022 by SavourTime

[Reciprocality]

Since language becomes less and less complete within each stage (each individual in between). and the reasons thereof, I believe whatever transcends turquoise must be a rationalism which do not even try to communicate, and create systems of belief that the person who holds them know they can not share and knows equally much are subject to their own judgement only.

I believe stage coral as precisely that which have realized the complete oneness of being has also realized the oneness of reason and will be reached by those only with higher faculties for sensibility (though not necessarily). What in yellow is individual sense making by the premises of the collective for the general benefit of the system of society is in coral an individual sense making for reasons it can not itself formalize or even intuit thus (so far as it is concerned) as an end in itself. 

It would be the universe comprehending itself by the main artery so to say, as opposed to the lesser arteries for the benefit of selfish individuals.

Even though Turquoise have seen the limitations of belief it has not at all, so far as we measure this by the individuals we call enlightened, integrated belief as the teleological reason for the existence of the universe.

[Preety_India]

@Loba can you enlist some coral traits like in bullet points? Really needed them for my journal

 

[RendHeaven]

There is no meaningful distinction found beyond Turquoise, since at Turquoise, the whole model is already transcended and the relativity of stage yellow is unified. The tiered divisions seem so arbitrary (because they are) once your circle of concern is COSMIC.

One could say SD is a very stage yellow construction, reaching beyond itself as it were. So, "Coral" can only exist in the imaginations of pre-Turquoise human minds. "Stage Coral" is in no way real to anyone at or beyond Turquoise.

Edited February 26, 2022 by RendHeaven

[Reciprocality]

Despite the misapprehension of a few comments above it is very possible to see some limits of turquoise from the perspective its less developed counterparts, the thing is that these limits are precisely what is not essential to turquoise.

So far as you are fully integrated in turquoise you are more than the essence of turquoise. And so far as you are fully integrated in it you create your own limitations so to move beyond them, so far as time is occurring, so far as something is moving forward there is something to discover.

This enlightened stage stands in direct cultural opposition to whatever preceded it, it is entirely plausible to comprehend that humans move beyond it when it does not stand in opposition to anything.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Reciprocality

[thisintegrated]

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

There is no meaningful distinction found beyond Turquoise, since at Turquoise, the whole model is already transcended and the relativity of stage yellow is unified. The tiered divisions seem so arbitrary (because they are) once your circle of concern is COSMIC.

One could say SD is a very stage yellow construction, reaching beyond itself as it were. So, "Coral" can only exist in the imaginations of pre-Turquoise human minds. "Stage Coral" is in no way real to anyone at or beyond Turquoise.

In 10 000 years, will Turquoise still be the absolute limit?  While, yes, the model breaks when you go beyond Turquoise, there will still undoubtably be stages of progression that exist after Turquoise.

[Reciprocality]

@lxlichael "however the amenability of biological forces have always taken precedence over our bodily reactions, moreover, only a consciousness imbued with the biological power towards the awareness that allows them to transform those forces transmutationally, possesses any real legislative agency over the directionality of their consciousness, egoically, biologically and otherwise."

What if instead it is consciousness that is placed wherever these biological forces 'took it' in the past, and that only in the future will there (not by means of consciousness) but inside consciousness occur such a schematic legislation of a will trough the body corresponding to the very same types of biological forces we begun the postulation with?

And is it not better to conceive of the bodily reactions and biological forces as integral to a bigger theory of both and that it would be impossible thereby for either to take any form of precedence over the other?

That these models have more utility in both predicting the future and speaking of reality as it is conceived of in the mind instead of the opposite on both accounts you have my wholehearted sympathy with, but is it not the actualized ego this all is done for when all is said and done?

The actualized ego such that it instead of reality trough it becomes the primary concern in the model itself, one surely could predict that by taking a look in this forum.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Reciprocality

[BipolarGrowth]

No need for belief. The evidence is unquestionable. 

[thisintegrated]

On 06/03/2022 at 2:56 AM, lxlichael said:

@thisintegrated

We're inappropriately blending the biological with the existentially abstract and metaphysical in light of our inescapable relationship with the entropic forces of nature, that aside, it takes grandmaster to spot a grandmaster. There is undoubtedly an unavoidable developmental trajectory that what we've referred to as "ego" goes through, however the amenability of biological forces have always taken precedence over our bodily reactions, moreover, only a consciousness imbued with the biological power towards the awareness that allows them to transform those forces transmutationally, possesses any real legislative agency over the directionality of their consciousness, egoically, biologically and otherwise. As such, theoretical as it remains without biological accounts, it will stay in the pile of unread history of psychological literature and as much as confirmations are receptive to and account for the biological, spiral dynamics and literally any theory outside of the biological attempting to correspond to an apt description of psychological development will have the chance to express some merit. Spiral dynamics has been inappropriately formulated in my opinion, representing how the "present world" is represented in the mind as opposed to how the mind represents the world which is more akin to what would more accurately reflect a developmental theory concerning the psychology of the mind. We could be thrown into any myriad of juxtaposing realities, any of which falsify any utility and merit that the theory has. It asks the reader to perform the intelligence for them in terms of making accurate inferences of meta-mind rather than representing the theory itself from this perspective to begin with, as such, a future developmental theory, where all seriousness is considered, will always take precedence, and this is not far away at all. Theories like these should be forward predicting rather than backwards predicting, though, if it were so on par, then a replica of human consciousness via AI should be able to verify it by going through the same stages, it of course, will not, because consciousness growth is antithetical to the mostly linear way in which the theory has been proposed. Mental developmental doesn't have alinearity in the biological sense however in the egoic sense it most certainly can be relative to say one indicator, like a consciousnesses ability to integrate information, increasing/decreasing these limits is something that could be done in a replica to demonstrate this principle. 

dude.. paragraph!!  I'll give you an F for readability.  B+ for effort.

 

But I agree with some of your thoughts.  Too many here seem to think that past experiences are the only valid basis off which it's possible to come up with a theoretical framework of consciousness progression.  As you mentioned, we'd need AI, or at least super advanced machine learning, to properly figure it all out, but I don't think it's necessary just to make initial progress on Coral theory, and beyond, imo.  All answers are within, after all.

[actuallyenlightened]

I think while turquoise understands concepts like oneness and nothingness, they basically still function as individual humans on earth experiencing what earth is all about.

I could see a coral interact with higher dimensions, entities, possibly aliens and consciously set events into motion based on what the universe/souls/God want to get out of physical existence. So kind of like an agent or a moderator. Likely have also developed siddhis. Quite badass in my opinion. 

In either case, they'd probably masquerade as an orange or green not to arouse too much suspicion.  Probably unless you're high turquoise you wouldn't detect them.