Vegans are Sexy as Fuck!

[Hero in progress]

This post is spreading positivity and encouragement to all my fellow Vegans xxxx

Hi my name's Callum, 

If I could change my profile name I would, I would just have it as my birth name instead of hero in progress. I actually chose that as my profile name years ago, it was related to Leos video about the hero's journey and at the time I was contemplating and pursuing Enlightenment.

Anyway, 

I just wanna say to all my fellow Vegan brothers & sisters that you are truly inspirational to me. Truly! 

You guys give me the motivation to keep going. Tbh I've been quite down over the last few months, feeling kind of hopeless about veganism because animals and the things that come out of them are the staples of the human diet. Obviously. 

Tbh for a while I was getting pretty hateful at the world. 

I've got a little story 

A few months back I was out on a run on one my local trails early in the morning, as I was coming up to a crossing near a sheep field I stopped for some reason. I looked over across from me and saw an adult sheep struggling, I walked over slowly as not to spook the sheep. 

As I got closer I could see it had its head trapped in a gap in the fence. Struggling frantically the sheep couldn't pull it's self free. 

So I calmly approached and pulled the wire in the fence up to create more space. It managed to free its head and went on its way. After that I had this wonderful feeling inside me, almost like my life did matter and had purpose.

How amazing is that? 

Anyway 

Keep going family, love you all xxx

 

Btw there are tons and tons of people that inspire me and I looked up to, most of them are not Vegan. 

Love to all the non vegan people out there too. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by Hero in progress

[LordFall]

If you mean that literally then yeah, vegan girls are very attractive to me. Something about being more compassionate or being more health-conscious or even them wanting to make a positive difference in the world. I hear they taste better also, that's always a plus  

[Hero in progress]

@LordFall

Hey dude that taste comment is vile, cut it out. 

Lol all jokes aside, thanks for commenting and Sharing your perspective on vegan girls

 

[Hero in progress]

VEGAN 4 LIFE

[Hero in progress]

@Michael569

You would say that wouldn't you Michael.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Hero in progress

6 minutes ago, Hero in progress said:

@Michael569

You would say that wouldn't you Michael.

 

   That's because you post in an informal and organic style so far, and usually in this sub forum there's a higher standard of posting, because we're mainly discussing topics like health, nutrition, diet, overcoming physiological and health issues, which because of how it really effects our bodies, we'd like to communicate in a way that reflects how careful we are to give advice, whether supported by medical/scientific research or is just an opinion. When talking about these issues, it's important that we communicate our information in a way that is not childish because if we have advice that can harm more than hurt, it really does effect the body, positively or negatively.

  In an immature, unpractical, idealistic, unscientific, emotional and attention grabbing framing, discussions about Veganism turn more immature than mature discussions about veganism, yet the original poster might not intend that his/her communication be perceived this way, which is why the moderator suggests this is better under the journaling section.  It's more difficult to have beneficial feedback and corrections under such immature, organic, and informal framing. 

   Most posts in this sub-forum are written within a mature, practical, pragmatic, realistic, scientific and medical frame of mind. Under such framing, we can have serious discussions about health, nutrition and overcoming health issues, and have faster feedback on if any user's advice is harmful or helpful. This is especially important when discussing alternative medicine/related fields not as supported as traditional health/medicinal approaches.

   

[Hero in progress]

@Danioover9000

 Okay 

[Hero in progress]

Dont worry Vegans you are sexy as fuck 

[Hero in progress]

This post is not for the purpose of what what my man above said. He may use a lot big words and try to discredit the overall message of this post. But ill say it one more time and then im out.  You are a fucking inspiration! dont let these cold fucks make you feel like you are not right to spread veganism as much as you can. It aint about your health, it is practical and it is the future. 

KEEP GOING

 

[Hero in progress]

 

[mmKay]

@Hero in progress hmm. Is it okay to eat an animal if it died of natural causes? like age, for example

[mmKay]

25 minutes ago, datamonster said:

Is it ok to eat a human if they died of natural causes? Why or why don't you draw a line?

Good argument, haven't thought about that one .

Ultimately you could, but we are selfish and  extremely biased towards our own species. Cannibalism has been practiced throughout all of history, specially during famines and wars. 

 

Definately I  wouldn't do it if there is plenty of other food to choose from.  It would feel wrong, bring up emotions and there is extreme social pressure against cannibalism. And I don't think any other healthy human being would commit cannibalism if he had other food to choose from.

Slaying and torturing animals just to eat them would feel wrong to any non-sociopathic people who are ACTUALLY INVOLVED in the process by being there, seeing it and experiencing it .

But when you are disconected from how the sausage is made, when you have it that cheap and that convenient, when you have been raised in an environment where animal meat has been eaten for your whole life , then it's way easier to put no thought into the whole process.

 

The animal meat industry is definately cruel, low consciousness, extremely profit oriented and borderline inhumane.

But it's also true that there is a market demand for it , that humans have been eating  animal meat for their entire history, and that feelings / morality  aside, it is nutritious and delicious.

 

It's also true that by you yourself abstaining yourself from animal products and not supporting the slaughter industry, you will not make the rest of life forms stop eating eachother. Definately not in your lifetime .

What I mean is that, If humans don't eat the already dead animal, then scavanger animals will, or works, and bacteria and fungi.

What I envision as a sustainable animal industry in the very far future would be huge farms that let the animals live their ENTIRE LIFE in optimal conditions, and later it's okay to be eaten since death is an inevitable part of life.

If they weren't eaten by humans, they would be eaten by other animals, worms,  fungi, etc.

 

 

[Striving for more]

@Michael569

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Nowadays I'll add about 2 eggs per week and an occasional small fish (probably around once a week) 

Why don't you eat eggs or fish every day? 

Because don't we need to refuel with choline & EPA/DHA every day to be optimal?

I currently eat tinned sardines every day as it's cheap & i'm getting my EPA/DHA

[Yog]

Hm. I rarely find people that do veganism properly.

I assume its quite difficult to do so, especially if you have an ethical component in it and do not rely on overseas exotic plants. I am quite interested if it is possible to pull it off on local plants and not get nutrient deficient.

Above 80% of vegans I personally have seen look malnourished and borderline sick. Usually something is wrong with their skin, hair, eyes, teeth, bone to muscle structure, cant really put my finger on it.

I guess this is the effect of cutting off animal products and spontaneously replacing them with any plant products they happen to like in order to get filled without doing much if any research.

But some are sexy, yea xD. I don't think it has much to do with veganism though. They just happened to workout a lot, eat properly, do their research, have good body structure, genetic, look pretty and all.

[StarStruck]

On 12-1-2021 at 1:30 AM, LordFall said:

If you mean that literally then yeah, vegan girls are very attractive to me. Something about being more compassionate or being more health-conscious or even them wanting to make a positive difference in the world. I hear they taste better also, that's always a plus  

Under nourished teen age girls can be sexy but when they hit their 30'ies it is a different story. Personally I like them healthy.

Edited January 13, 2021 by StarStruck

[Danioover9000]

@Hero in progress

20 hours ago, Hero in progress said:

This post is not for the purpose of what what my man above said. He may use a lot big words and try to discredit the overall message of this post. But ill say it one more time and then im out.  You are a fucking inspiration! dont let these cold fucks make you feel like you are not right to spread veganism as much as you can. It aint about your health, it is practical and it is the future. 

KEEP GOING

 

    Maybe carefully read what I've posted below:

21 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hero in progress

   That's because you post in an informal and organic style so far, and usually in this sub forum there's a higher standard of posting, because we're mainly discussing topics like health, nutrition, diet, overcoming physiological and health issues, which because of how it really effects our bodies, we'd like to communicate in a way that reflects how careful we are to give advice, whether supported by medical/scientific research or is just an opinion. When talking about these issues, it's important that we communicate our information in a way that is not childish because if we have advice that can harm more than hurt, it really does effect the body, positively or negatively.

  In an immature, unpractical, idealistic, unscientific, emotional and attention grabbing framing, discussions about Veganism turn more immature than mature discussions about veganism, yet the original poster might not intend that his/her communication be perceived this way, which is why the moderator suggests this is better under the journaling section.  It's more difficult to have beneficial feedback and corrections under such immature, organic, and informal framing. 

   Most posts in this sub-forum are written within a mature, practical, pragmatic, realistic, scientific and medical frame of mind. Under such framing, we can have serious discussions about health, nutrition and overcoming health issues, and have faster feedback on if any user's advice is harmful or helpful. This is especially important when discussing alternative medicine/related fields not as supported as traditional health/medicinal approaches.

   

   Also, with your attitude, it's much better to post in the journal section, as you won't get penalized for your writing style. Anywhere else you will.

   It's mainly because of your writing style that it's harder for others to consider Veganism seriously, and treat it like a joke.

[Danioover9000]

@Yog

1 hour ago, Yog said:

Hm. I rarely find people that do veganism properly.

I assume its quite difficult to do so, especially if you have an ethical component in it and do not rely on overseas exotic plants. I am quite interested if it is possible to pull it off on local plants and not get nutrient deficient.

Above 80% of vegans I personally have seen look malnourished and borderline sick. Usually something is wrong with their skin, hair, eyes, teeth, bone to muscle structure, cant really put my finger on it.

I guess this is the effect of cutting off animal products and spontaneously replacing them with any plant products they happen to like in order to get filled without doing much if any research.

But some are sexy, yea xD. I don't think it has much to do with veganism though. They just happened to workout a lot, eat properly, do their research, have good body structure, genetic, look pretty and all.

   It's mainly because of the ethical issues that bring about dogmatism around discussing Veganism, in people who only eat plants, and in people who mainly eat everything with plants, meat and carbs. Even fruit only people are not immune to being dogmatic to other groups that're selective in their diet. Under those states, it's easy to rush the transition process from whatever traditional diet you've had to eating plant based diet, and if no care is taken, some end up hurting themselves bad enough for hospitalization.

   Sexiness mostly comes from proper body care, and from genetic variety.

[Danioover9000]

@neutralempty

27 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

@Yog

"Above 80% of vegans I personally have seen look malnourished and borderline sick. Usually something is wrong with their skin, hair, eyes, teeth, bone to muscle structure, cant really put my finger on it."

Obviously, a lie.

   It depends on how that person is looking after their body. If all they did was plant based only, and very little exercise, low quality sleep, have unhealthy coping mechanisms with physical/mental/emotional stress, Comparing person to person is difficult enough, it gets more difficult comparing group to group health, vegan or otherwise.

   Depending on how you look after yourself, you can still maintain healthy muscle structure and overall body function, even on a plant based. Plant based diets can't save you from you abusing yourself in other way, so watch out.

   Consider that the user is in part of the world where some people have not correctly integrated with a plant-based diet properly, so the user only ends up interacting with just those people.

   

[Yog]

@neutralempty That's my personal observation, that is all it is, its not an objective sample. I've known about 10-20 vegans and met 20+ more.

I don't let it influence my opinion on the topic anyway. Some folk just got too dogmatic and hardcore around it and broke some stuff, which is what @Danioover9000  pointed towards, its not a problem with veganism at all, its more of an identity/ego type of problem.

I've met people that had 0 identity around it and they had the attitude of " just trying out this new thing, if it works cool, if it doesn't we'll make a change". This is the attitude I personally like more, it allows for both the ethical and the nutritional part of the topic to be constantly re-evaluated, you can't easily and efficiently evaluate stuff if you got your identity tied around it.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Yog

[Scholar]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Forgive for saying this but some of your comments seem very naive as if because of lacking general world experience. I am with @Yog that I've seen some extremely unhealthy looking vegans & vegetarians. Pale, skinny, with excessive signs of ageing. I have also seen beautiful and sexy vegan women so there are both. 

If you live in a rich country such as US, it is easy to assume that living this way is the same in the rest of the world. It isn't. It can be extremely tough to be vegan in certain countries such as Eastern Europe, Balcanic regions, South East asia, certain countries of South America, Japan etc. When I visited Philipines for example, being vegan meant eating rice and fruits, now you tell me how long before your body starts breaking down. Japan - there is some tofu yes but generally Japanese have no fruits besides tanderines. It is extremely expensive in there at a level that a bowl of grape costs 30 dollars.  I've visited many of these countries and in some of them it is 50 times more difficult than for example in UK where I live or in States. 

Just something for you to be mindful of. Not all places have an equal starting ground and you need to be appreciative of that. As someone who is in business of helping people restore their health, all I can say that if I was pushing veganism on my clients, I would lose 90% of them. 

Large part of population struggle with paying bills, separating waste, living in sub-optimal living conditions, living in multigenerational houses. If you were to bestow veganism upon these people, it simply wouldn't work. 

I am not sure how this is related to what @neutralempty said. When we are talking about those unhealthy looking vegans, as Yog refers to them, we are probably talking about people in the western world who will have access to a cheap and healthy vegan diet, no?

Nobody disagrees that adhering to a moral principle will be more or less difficult in different parts of the world, and of course in different times in history. In some countries, it is difficult to survive without exploiting or murdering other human beings. Of course it is due to the fact that we are so civilized that we can now appreciate a higher standard of ethics.

 

But on the other hand, there is a reason why in underdeveloped countries, such as china, african countries and india, a majority of the poor are almost exclusively plant-based. It is precisely because animal products are such a luxury, infact to such a degree that you are now seeing an increase in obesity in China due to people being more financially secure and adopting a more western diet. The poor chinese people who never could have afforded much meat (and were actually healthier and more long-lived for it), now require the amazonian forests to be burned down so that there is enough land to feed all the cows.

 

Explaining to people simple rational ethical principles is not a problem no matter where they live. To what degree they can live according to those principles will vary, as is the case with any other moral problem.

 

However, you reject the foundation of those ethical principles in the first place, so I don't see how it is useful to discuss whether or not some people have an easier time consuming an exclusively plant based diet. The disagreement is about the validity of the ethical stance.

 

Otherwise we are simply discussing whether or not people in china can only eat plants.

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Scholar