Leo, can you elaborate on the idea that I “imagine” that I had a past?

[Bulgarianspirit]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Don't confuse the substance or nature of reality with nihilism.   When we say the substance of reality is nothing that isn't the same as nothing matters.   Infinity/God/Being is infinitely intelligent and wishes to experience every possiblity so that it can know itself experientally.

Reality is an infinite loop. We are god's infinite knowledge,it only knows itself through being itself over and over again till infinity. Nothing else to do anyways. You could say we are lucky then to be humans forever..Geez maybe i'm wrong or right just a theory tho.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Bulgarianspirit

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

Reality is an infinite loop. We are god's infinite knowledge,it only knows itself through being itself over and over again till infinity. Nothing else to do anyways. You could say we are lucky then to be humans forever..Geez maybe i'm wrong or right just a theory tho.

?? You are also the coffee table and the chair you are sitting in ?

[wwhy]

7 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

Don't confuse the substance or nature of reality with nihilism. 

What is the difference, in your view, between the substance/nature of reality with nihilism?

[VeganAwake]

7 minutes ago, wwhy said:

What is my egoic personal agenda?

That is in itself a right/wrong judgement on your part.

Sorry for the confusion, and yes I realize it sounds like a negative judgment. It wasn't meant that way.

Ego and separate sense of 'self' are used interchangeably here.

If you believe yourself to be a separate individual that will find a better position in the future by learning spiritual knowledge or by doing enough correct practices to possibly one day become enlightened.... that's what is meant by egoic self agenda... it could also just be called self agenda which doesn't sound so disrespectful.

[James123]

We are all one. All identical. That’s why we are nothing. And becoming Love or loving each other is a consequence. Love is the bridge between duality to non duality. Being non dual is being everything, therefore so called duality turns out to be love. Because if you consider yourself as you can see, aware of the so called body or Life , everything you see in the moment is you. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by James123

[cnfvm]

30 minutes ago, James123 said:

My body and your body is identical.

lol . literally not true.

[wwhy]

@VeganAwake Thanks for the clarification.

[James123]

1 minute ago, cnfvm said:

lol . literally not true.

When you become nothing you can get it.  Because body is empty. You are not the body neither the mind. Much love. I am out. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by James123

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

We are all one. All identical. That’s why we are nothing. And becoming Love or loving each other is a consequence. Love is the bridge between duality to non duality. Being non dual is being everything, 

LOL - Being everything IS Love! The two are synonymous.  Infinity is Love.  What else would it be??

[cnfvm]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

When you become nothing you can get it.  Because body is empty. You are not the body neither the mind. Much love. I am out. 

if you said, our bodies have same origin, i would ve relate. Much love

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

LOL - Being everything IS Love! The two are synonymous.  Infinity is Love.  What else would it be??

Nothing is infinite therefore being. How can you be everything at the same time and love? Your common point with everything is nothing. Otherwise, you can not take other forms. Love is a still form and feeling. Whatever happens it is you. Because you are nothing. Therefore you are love, chair and human vs. You have still human mind brother. So called mind cant get this. This conversation ends. Much love.  

 

9 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

if you said, our bodies have same origin, i would ve relate. Much love

Yes, our both origin is same, which is nothing. We are identical. Much love. 

[VeganAwake]

12 minutes ago, cnfvm said:

if you said, our bodies have same origin, i would ve relate. Much love

I don't want to put words in his mouth but I believe what he's pointing to is the importance of clearly seeing what you are NOT as a prerequisite to clearly seeing what you are... which is the ultimate condition of nothingness.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, cetus said:

Leo, can you elaborate on the idea that I “imagine” that I had a past?

Well, where else do you find the past but always in your present imagination??

Take a close look at what "past" really is.

If we wiped your memory, isn't it obvious that you would cease to have a past? It wouldn't merely be that you could not longer remember your past. No! Your past would literally not exist. Because your past is created now. If you stop creating it, it will stop existing. Much like when you close your eyes the room ceases to exist.

[Inliytened1]

39 minutes ago, James123 said:

Nothing is infinite therefore being. How can you be everything at the same time and love? Your common point with everything is nothing. Otherwise, you can not take other forms. Love is a still form and feeling. Whatever happens it is you. Because you are nothing. Therefore you are love, chair and human vs. You have still human mind brother. So called mind cant get this. This conversation ends. Much love.  

 

Yes, our both origin is same, which is nothing. We are identical. Much love. 

You are still thinking of what you think about love...not love itself.  Then take finite love - actual love not your thoughts about it - and make it Infinite.

[cnfvm]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, where else do you find the past but always in your present imagination??

Take a close look at what "past" really is.

If we wiped your memory, isn't it obvious that you would cease to have a past? It wouldn't merely be that you could not longer remember your past. No! Your past would literally not exist. Because your past is created now. If you stop creating it, it will stop existing. Much like when you close your eyes the room ceases to exist.

you are just imagining you were never a child, Right now. 

if we wiped your memory, you would have no memory, But your mom could remember what you were like when you were 5.

 

 

 

 

 

[James123]

10 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You are still thinking of what you think about love...not love itself.  Then take finite love - actual love not your thoughts about it - and make it Infinite.

Take a look at this. 

[VincentArogya]

19 hours ago, Dylan Page said:

You say that I imagined my past but my memory seems to reflect the current moment. If I leave a bottle in a room and come back 20 minutes later, it’s still gonna be there. I guess I don’t know what you mean by I “imagined it”, because it seems to have validity in this reality.  I guess you could say that the bottle still being there is imagined, and the laws of physics and stuff, and I guess the general concept of continuity, such that a comprehensible reality in which I can actually function is created. One of the reasons I’m concerned about this is not only due to the extremely imperative function of memory, but also the fact that my past makes me who I am, or at least who “I”, my ego, is. Saying that it never happened undermines this and destroys my sense of self, which I care deeply about. Perhaps a better way to think about this reality is that it’s imagined but it’s also self contained and in that way, it’s “real”? 

The past was in the now. The future will also be in the now. 

Show us your past? Even if you managed to show it, it will still be in the now. 

How do you know what's real? How do you know what's unreal?

[Nahm]

20 hours ago, Dylan Page said:

You say that I imagined my past but my memory seems to reflect the current moment. If I leave a bottle in a room and come back 20 minutes later, it’s still gonna be there. I guess I don’t know what you mean by I “imagined it”, because it seems to have validity in this reality.  I guess you could say that the bottle still being there is imagined, and the laws of physics and stuff, and I guess the general concept of continuity, such that a comprehensible reality in which I can actually function is created. One of the reasons I’m concerned about this is not only due to the extremely imperative function of memory, but also the fact that my past makes me who I am, or at least who “I”, my ego, is. Saying that it never happened undermines this and destroys my sense of self, which I care deeply about. Perhaps a better way to think about this reality is that it’s imagined but it’s also self contained and in that way, it’s “real”? 

What cares so deeply about that ‘sense of self’?

Without that ‘sense of self’...would there still be that ‘caring deeply’?

Can there be caring deeply, without a thing or object to care deeply about?

What if you are that caring deeply, and appearing as that sense of self? 

No problem then, no?

[zeroISinfinity]

52 minutes ago, Nahm said:

What cares so deeply about that ‘sense of self’?

Without that ‘sense of self’...would there still be that ‘caring deeply’?

Can there be caring deeply, without a thing or object to care deeply about?

What if you are that caring deeply, and appearing as that sense of self? 

No problem then, no?

Well there is problem with that. Why would you continue dream then? 

In full truth there is no need for dreaming or life. 

Why I bother then I mean could be black thing?! 

If we are still here then it means we care don't we? 

No duality btw this and black thing but. 

I really wish anyone dwells as one and be afraid to go to sleep being worried will he die in sleep. So fun and so great.

So instead of questioning it will take lesson from my dog. She doesn't care about this stuff she just lives. 

# Diogenes 

Edited July 20, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[Tanz]

Every nano of the nanosecond to the nth power is a brand new moment.  The ego doesn't want to let go of the illusionary self so it creates a construct like a personality.