Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, VeganAwake said: "Nothing Matters" is the highest teaching in the universe when properly understood. Understood by whom? There's nobody here and it's unknowing, man! wink wink It's a terrible teaching, actually. It's nonsensical, to begin with. What does it even mean to say "nothing matters"? Plus, it misunderstands relativity. I can just as easily say that "everything matters", which is also nonsensical, and has the same truth behind it, which is none. Infinity has no position, there's nobody to say that nothing matters, it can be said but it is relative to the position from which it stems in that particular moment. This entire thread is mental masturbation, including this post. Edited March 11, 2020 by Gili Trawangan Alternative Rock Music and Spirituality on YouTube: The Buddha Visions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 @Gili Trawangan well said. Terrible teaching indeed. We were trying to point him to a higher truth. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said: Understood by whom? There's nobody here and it's unknowing, man! wink wink It's a terrible teaching, actually. It's nonsensical, to begin with. What does it even mean to say "nothing matters"? Plus, it misunderstands relativity. I can just as easily say that "everything matters", which is also nonsensical, and has the same truth behind it, which is none. Infinity has no position, there's nobody to say that nothing matters, it can be said but it is relative to the position from which it stems in that particular moment. This entire thread is mental masturbation, including this post. He's just parroting Tony Parsons and that Jim what's his name guy. They are both neo advaita con men cashing in on gullible new agers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 @BETGR164128 He was echoing other teachers indeed. I hope he discovers Truth for himself. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 @Inliytened1 I understand, I admire your patience Alternative Rock Music and Spirituality on YouTube: The Buddha Visions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said: @BETGR164128 He was echoing other teachers indeed. I hope he discovers Truth for himself. He really believes what he is saying is the truth . Once that has happened you're as far from the truth as anyone can be. But even that isn't the truth. It's a bottomless pit Edited March 11, 2020 by BETGR164128 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, BETGR164128 said: He really believes what he is saying is the truth . Once that has happened you're as far from the truth as anyone can be. But even that isn't the truth. Too true unfortunately. Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) @BETGR164128 Yes, I now see that too. I believed my thoughts and tried to make sense out of it. In my self-bias I thought that the realization of the zero/singularity-infinity relationship was brilliant. It may be useful though. As useful as a thought can be. Edited March 11, 2020 by Loving Radiance Life Purpose journey Presence. Goodness. Grace. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 29 minutes ago, Gili Trawangan said: @Inliytened1 I understand, I admire your patience It's dwindling... Wisdom. Truth. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 Woah, someone said I was a little hard but this here turned into a dog pile....hah 2 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said: @SOUL I can do that already. What's next? Not to 'do' it. Be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said: @BETGR164128 Yes, I now see that too. I believed my thoughts and tried to make sense out of it. In my self-bias I thought that the realization of the zero/singularity-infinity relationship was brilliant. It may be useful though. As useful as a thought can be. Are thoughts useful? That's another relative position Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 @BETGR164128 Life Purpose journey Presence. Goodness. Grace. Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 This whole discussion Francis answers in 5 mins: If you Truly understand, absolutely, that nothing matters, you have found what Truly matters so it isn’t a problem for you.” (Happiness!!!!) 'One is always in the absolute state, knowingly or unknowingly for that is all there is.' Francis Lucille. 'Peace and Happiness are inherent in Consciousness.' Rupert Spira “Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world.” Ramana Maharshi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) This concept of 'nothing matters' is to motivate a release of attachment to 'things'. Yet, that can be without the concept which proves for very many who encounter it to be an obstacle to the cessation of self suffering from the attachment to things, not ironically having attachment to the idea 'nothing matters'. I probably could have just lead with that but I doubt it would have changed much because people really do cling tightly to their ideas. Also, if 'god' is 'unknowable' why do people ascribe meaninglessness to 'god'? Didn't you say it's unknowable? Haha... I likely started a whole new 'thing'. Edited March 11, 2020 by SOUL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) On 9.3.2020 at 8:06 PM, VeganAwake said: Nothing in the universe has any meaning, purpose or value whatsoever.(this doesn't mean there won't be consequences for your actions... what it means are those consequences don't mean anything either) I don't mean this just Absolutely speaking, I mean it in every possible way that anything could mean anything(which it doesn't)....including relative. its all without consequence - whatever anyone tries to say in this thread can not get through because. the devil created a trap for everyone so god would be able to do whatever he wants without consequence it all does not matter. the response is responseless the intention is known. so the dwarf can dance on shivas head. it’s not the highest teachihng it’s the lowest of them all, at least in this context. Edited March 11, 2020 by remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said: This whole discussion Francis answers in 5 mins: If you Truly understand, absolutely, that nothing matters, you have found what Truly matters so it isn’t a problem for you.” (Happiness!!!!) That's a great video he is so close... there's just two things that I would point out: 1) Just because someone is or isn't living from a place of understanding or embracing "Nothing Matters" does not actually mean it now matters. This kind of reminds me of the duality belief... (just because someone believes in Duality does not make it true) 2) Embracing or embodying"Nothing Matters" is not like turning on a light switch. When someone is not used to living in such beautiful light they have to slowly become accustomed to it just like any new paradigm. Other than that yes spot on ? “Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle. "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 @VeganAwake What he is saying is that when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like things matter. Just like when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like there is a separate self, there isn't of course but if you ask a normal person, they BELIEVE they have a separate me, even though they are too The Self, they just aren't conscious of it. And, yes, self-realization is like moving to a new city, you still have to learn where everything is and where the best restaurants and everything else is though! I do agree he could've phrased that slightly better though, I felt the video was slightly cut a tad short 'One is always in the absolute state, knowingly or unknowingly for that is all there is.' Francis Lucille. 'Peace and Happiness are inherent in Consciousness.' Rupert Spira “Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world.” Ramana Maharshi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, SOUL said: This concept of 'nothing matters' is to motivate a release of attachment to 'things'. Yet, that can be without the concept which proves for very many who encounter it to be an obstacle to the cessation of self suffering from the attachment to things, not ironically having attachment to the idea 'nothing matters'. I probably could have just lead with that but I doubt it would have changed much because people really do cling tightly to their ideas. Also, if 'god' is 'unknowable' why do people ascribe meaninglessness to 'god'? Didn't you say it's unknowable? Haha... I likely started a whole new 'thing'. What's being pointed to is whether you are attached or not, whether you are suffering or not, whether or not you lead with the right statement in your post, or weather you have directly experienced you are God, or believe it's unknowable, or think you have started a whole new thing on a thread has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever..."Nothing Matters at all in any way. Even if you deeply believe something with every inch of your being... it does not matter at all and has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever. It's absolute complete freedom ❤ “Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle. "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, VeganAwake said: What's being pointed to is whether you are attached or not, whether you are suffering or not, whether or not you lead with the right statement in your post, or weather you have directly experienced you are God, or believe it's unknowable, or think you have started a whole new thing on a thread has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever..."Nothing Matters at all in any way. Even if you deeply believe something with every inch of your being... it does not matter at all and has no meaning purpose or value whatsoever. It's absolute complete freedom Edited March 11, 2020 by remember Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said: @VeganAwake What he is saying is that when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like things matter. Just like when people don't have this understanding it SEEMS like there is a separate self, there isn't of course but if you ask a normal person, they BELIEVE they have a separate me, even though they are too The Self, they just aren't conscious of it. And, yes, self-realization is like moving to a new city, you still have to learn where everything is and where the best restaurants and everything else is though! I do agree he could've phrased that slightly better though, I felt the video was slightly cut a tad short I know what he was saying... I listened to the video and that's why I said what I said bud...❤ Someone getting it or not makes no difference to the Absolute. “Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle. "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
