The most beautiful beings don't even know how enlightened they are..

[pluto]

She's the embodiment of the inner-child, the true, natural self. So lovely, So pure! Observe her behavior, this is who you truly are!

Beingness makes knowingness obsolete.

[Aakash]

This is a false equivalency bro 

the most enlightened people are not human at all. 

if you decide to keep your human traits, then you don't know truth. being human is not the same as acting human. 

this is the same thing as saying animals are enlightened, when they are not. 

humans have the potential to become enlightened, they are not enlightened themselves. 

humanity is a social construct, through years of evolution. 

this is why it's said that humans are enlightened already and because they have awareness like animals. But their awareness has not turned in on itself and become god consciousness. 

Your mind is infested with assumptions about enlightenment. its backed by spiritual teachings and knowledge which are themselves, only partially true. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Aakash

[Inliytened1]

@Aakash its just the age old discussion of the relative definition of enlightenment.

Relative definition #1 - you already are Truth/God thus you are already enlightened.  This definition says you are enlightened because you are already Truth.

Relative definition #2 -  enlightenment is not that you are Truth - but that it is the discovery that you are Truth.  Turning in on yourself as you say.   Becoming conscious that you are consciousness.

So there is no wrong or right here

She is embodying pure love therefore is embodying Truth without knowing she is Truth.  

So wouldn't it depend on your definition of enlightenment here....

Personally i subscribe to the 2nd definition. Although many use the first.  But i think it's a key distinction.

[Aakash]

@Inliytened1  Absolute relativity can be used for any argument, however it doesn't benefit anyone. We should understand there are false equivalencies. that is what it means to be conscious to a higher degree. The more you realise the false equivalencies of everything around you. Thereby, distinguishing for yourself "truth". Absolute love brings Absolute self-deception which brings Absolute relativity which brings false equivalencies. in other words, it just piles onto false teachings due to the absolute relativity of it. True teachings tell you what is true and what is not true. That's the whole point of a teaching. This would stagnate the whole process for seekers, to reach the highest possible truth. 

being consciousness is picking a side of greater value, not resorting to teaching absolute relativity. With evolution in process, it would stagnate anyway and someone will have to pick the better one. Its better just to pick now, than delaying the process. 

actualised.org is a democracy enlightened society. People need to pick side and acknowledge the relativity of their own position and together we need to decide what we are going to tell people. If we want the maximum impact. Which basically as i keep telling is all enlightened beings deciding what is truth and what is not truth and how to counter the relativity by creating non-false relativities. Designing systems for the lower relativites as absolute free will is a must and letting people migrate to which ever teaching they want. If they want no-self, give them no self, if they want nirvana give them nirvana. 

This is basically what yellow stage politics looks like a collaberation between socialism and democracy. Designing systems on what is best for everyone and letting them have free will to decide. Then creating a third party to moderate it all. 

after i'm gone, it'll be in all your hands. You won't have me holding all your hands and trying to design systems for you to utilize and maximise understanding and the seekers journey. 

its like i said stage light, in the spiral dynamics model. 

which is exactly what you wanted. To be a good teacher is to know truth and not spread false equivalencies. 

let everyone worship what ever teachings they want, just everyone MUST know the absolute relativity and false equivalencies because of the relativeness of it. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Aakash

[Inliytened1]

@Aakash yes - that is exactly how society must move forward.  We must create objectivity  within subjectivity through consensus.    The most conscious beings can guide the lesser conscious and help them to awaken as well.  No one is disputing that.  But we have bigger fish to fry then deciding the "Absolute" definition of enlightenment is. This is not at the top of my priory list

 

[pluto]

Thank you

At least someone understands

To each to their own!

[Natasha]

She's different and came out of a super Green culture. Both of her sisters are in entertainment business as well, the conditioning to excel and create a media persona was encouraged and supported by her Mother. The childlike manner at 23 yrs old is refreshing yet of no surprise to me, she's still basically a kid. The kind of work she does actually requires a lot of adult qualities to pull it off. She knows she has to be different to be famous. And this is the right time to project the Green vibe of purity, innocence, and love. That's what the world needs at it's stage of evolution.

I love her music 

[Aakash]

@Inliytened1 ??‍♂️ It’s absolute free  so what can I say, feel free to call this girl enlightened and deepen your own self. I’m not advising against it nor saying it shouldnt be your top priority. When it should be. I’m just saying the only way to god is through all of us. 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Inliytened1 ??‍♂️ It’s absolute free  so what can I say, feel free to call this girl enlightened and deepen your own self. I’m not advising against it nor saying it shouldnt be your top priority. When it should be. I’m just saying the only way to god is through all of us. 

I agree that when sages throw out comments like "you are already enlightened" that this is half ass and irresponsible.  You have to discover that you are God directly.   

 

[Aakash]

@Inliytened1 thanks lol, tell the story that is you.  

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, Natasha said:

She's different and came out of a super Green culture. Both of her sisters are in entertainment business as well, the conditioning to excel and create a media persona was encouraged and supported by her Mother. The childlike manner at 23 yrs old is refreshing yet of no surprise to me, she's still basically a kid. The kind of work she does actually requires a lot of adult qualities to pull it off. She knows she has to be different to be famous. And this is the right time to project the Green vibe of purity, innocence, and love. That's what the world needs at it's stage of evolution.

I love her music 

For sure..never heard her music but sounds like good stuff.

[Natasha]

@Inliytened1 If you like Bjork's music, Aurora's singing style is very similar

 

[tedens]

@Inliytened1 And what do you think about the possibility of raising human consciousness in general / "genetics" / in such a way that we will be born already enlightened?

[DrewNows]

she was never forced to do anything, no beliefs forced onto her, very soft minded.

He asks what she's "trying" to do with her music, but it's just Self expression 

[Apparition of Jack]

@tedens If I may weigh in, I'd raise two points:

1. In an absolute sense, we are already enlightened - since we are part of Infinite Consciousness, which by definition is fully awakened, then it means that we, too, are by definition fully awakened.

2. On a more relative sense, I'd say it's possible for humanity to develop genetically and socially so that, in a few thousand year's time, we create a society that allows everybody to reach full awakening and embody it within just a few years, although being born enlightened might be a stretch. I get the impression that this may be the situation that some current extra-terrestrial civilisations are at, having gone through similar struggles of collective evolution that we are going through now. This is just my impression though, and it may be inaccurate.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Apparation of Jack

[Natasha]

36 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

she was never forced to do anything, no beliefs forced onto her,

Except when they paint her face and make her sit/lay for those commercial photo shoots. A child in its natural state would not choose to do that.

 

[Aakash]

I take back what I said about holding hands, it probably sounded arrogant, when I didn’t even mean it like that. Not trying to engage in adult-parent relationships. Strictly adult-adult. So let me rephrase, enlightenment doesn’t garuntee you team building and community skills. 

[DrewNows]

15 minutes ago, Natasha said:

Except when they paint her face and make her sit/lay for those commercial photo shoots. A child in its natural state would not choose to do that.

 

I disagree, she wouldn’t do the shoots if she didn’t wanna and what child doesn’t wish to do this? ?

[DrewNows]

15 minutes ago, Aakash said:

I take back what I said about holding hands, it probably sounded arrogant, when I didn’t even mean it like that. Not trying to engage in adult-parent relationships. Strictly adult-adult. So let me rephrase, enlightenment doesn’t garuntee you team building and community skills. 

(Said with such arrogance ) there ARE no take backs!  

Whats done is done said the turkey ? 

[Natasha]

4 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

I disagree, she wouldn’t do the shoots if she didn’t wanna and what child doesn’t wish to do this? ?

A child who would wants to play outside in nature with like children instead of having made look like a clown infront of dead cameras and people making money off her talent