Modafinil is Amazing for Consciousness Work

[Wisebaxter]

4 hours ago, Aeris said:

haha you sell it so wisely.

I'm gonna try. no side effects long terms ?

do you use something to sleep ? I read the worst side effect is not sleeping.

does it change sex interaction ?

@Aeris There is no information on long term effects as far as I know. Maybe we'll develop super powers, it's entirely possible. 

Yeah you might have issues sleeping, but to me that's not an adverse side effect as what use is sleeping anyway?  Seriously though what I did was take a break from it every few days and have a really long rest. I don't have a job to go to right now so it wasn't really an issue for me anyway, I just slept when I slept. 

Sex interaction? My erections become turbo charged on Modafinil and I pummel that ass like a beast. So yeah, the list of benefits just keep on growing, along with my member. 

 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Wisebaxter

[thesmileyone]

Just be careful with long term use because you don't want to form a habit of only meditating when on drugs.

It's funny how people think if someone did say, a few thumbprints people assume they are W O K E    AF!!!! It doesn't work like that!

Edited March 16, 2019 by thesmileyone

[Wisebaxter]

8 minutes ago, thesmileyone said:

Just be careful with long term use because you don't want to form a habit of only meditating when on drugs.

It's funny how people think if someone did say, a few thumbprints people assume they are W O K E    AF!!!! It doesn't work like that!

@thesmileyone I see Modafinil as just a good tool to give you a boost, like psychedelics. Leo told me that Kriya Yoga gives you the same effect as Modafinil and from the Kriya I've done so far, I can confirm this is the case. As with any substance, exercise caution and looking out for cravings and addiction as these things are always detrimental. But one point I'd like to make is....you live on drugs...you are a living drug, a living concoction of chemicals. Taking drugs is just form acting on form. It's all infinite and magical. People have this idea that drugs are somehow a hack, or less pure than conventional methods, but everything within reality is part of God.  

Edited March 16, 2019 by Wisebaxter

[thesmileyone]

That's a really stupid answer.

[Wisebaxter]

@thesmileyone I feel the sting of your glove across my face. Spiritual pistols at dawn? A battle of woke-ness? Sir, I accept. 

[thesmileyone]

Welll

 

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Taking drugs is just form acting on form. It's all infinite and magical. People have this idea that drugs are somehow a hack, or less pure than conventional methods, but everything within reality is part of God

If you think like that, you could justify the same for raping people, or killing them. Because everything is just Consciousness amirite?

Think how stupidly moronic the sentence "It's ok to rape people because people are just form,  it's all just infinite and magical." is??

Edited March 16, 2019 by thesmileyone

[Wisebaxter]

49 minutes ago, thesmileyone said:

Welll

If you think like that, you could justify the same for raping people, or killing them. Because everything is just Consciousness amirite?

Think how stupidly moronic the sentence "It's ok to rape people because people are just form,  it's all just infinite and magical." is??

Yes this is a good question. Your confusion is being caused by your belief that good and evil are intrinsic parts of reality and not an invention of your ego and need for survival. The truth is, rape isn't bad. Rape is just rape. Morality is a conceptual, human invention. When you choose how you behave, be aware that God doesn't give a damn either way, evidenced by the fact that rape exists. Is this implying it's ok to rape people? Of course not, don't just assume that. 

I could elaborate by I've just microdosed LSD and I'd rather just enjoy that. Besides, you seem like you're new to don-duality and Actualised, or at least you haven't watched many of Leo's videos. There are some fundamental flaws in your thinking. Watch this video:

My advice is, try and lose the attitude, open your mind a bit, you'll learn a lot more, if you're at all interested in learning and your cup isn't full.  Accepting that everything is comprised of consciousness is a core part of non-dual teaching. Ok so it takes a while to actually experience it, but having some faith at an early stage will save you a lot of time. If you don't believe it's true, I'm not even sure why you're here, unless it's to take chunks out of people you think are deluded in terms of 'wokeness.' Don't waste your effort trying to make decisions on who you believe is woke and who isn't. This isn't a contest. We're in this together, to learn and lift each other up, not to be combative and insult each other. If you've been a victim of abuse or you know someone who has, accepting some of these truths are even harder, but ultimately they can be very empowering. 

This video is also very relevant here:
 

 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Wisebaxter

[thesmileyone]

If you "got it" you wouldn't feel the need to justify drugs with such annecdotes in the first place!

[Wisebaxter]

@thesmileyone You've truly tested my capacity to love here. I've had to grow my sphere of love to accommodate you, so right now I'm just buzzing with it. Thanks for being there to help me do this. You are just a part of me, I see that. My capacity to form judgements is still strong. I see myself in you. We are one brother. I sincerely hope you've gotten something positive from this discussion too. One day we shall ride side by side through the gates of Valhalla on majestic steeds. Big hugs smileyone. 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Wisebaxter

[Bluebird]

Took 200mg yesterday at 9am. Experienced much better results with self-inquiry, meditation, and some work I had to complete. 

Didn't sleep until 11:50pm, was hard to get to sleep and awoke many times during the night (6+). 

Took 200mg again today, results have been far less profound and can hardly notice it. Definitely will not be doing consecutive days again as I'm getting a headache today.

Will be doing it at most once or twice per week and dedicating the entire day to consciousness work. I don't care about using this as a tool for doing traditional "work".

Might try microdosing at some point, did it once and felt pretty good but I'll see if I end up doing this. 

Word of caution, don't recommend back to back modafinil days.

 

[Forestluv]

@Bluebird I took 200mg last Thursday and this Tuesday. No tolerance at all. 

I’m going to try 200mg every third day. Hopefully it will be sustainable.

I’ll take 10 enhanced days per month.

My experience today was similiar to last Thursday. It was great for engagement into solo activities. Yet interacting with others felt like a chore and I really wanted to return to my own world. 

[Jordan94]

I got my armodafinil last week's monday and took 6 pills so far, first 2 days then mostly one day in one day off (actually it was, monday, tuesday, thursday, friday, sunday, tuesday), each time one complete pill 150mg

I had a lot of troubles sleeping the first and second day, right now is better the days i take it, maybe already less effect by taking it one every 2 days, yesterday i took one and it was not that much of a change compare to normal day i feel

 

The first day was definitly a big change and effect on my awareness and capacity to focus, althought it's still subtle it doesn't jump on your face, but the positive effects are clearly there, my meditation was wayyyy better easily, i felt also some positive effects on mood/motivation (not sure this one could have just been not caused by modafinil), intuition/creativity connecting dots

 

I feel like it might be too much to take one every 2 day and it's already building some tolerance and lowering the effects, does anybody have some infos about the tolerance ?

Edited March 20, 2019 by Jordan94

[Bluebird]

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My experience today was similiar to last Thursday. It was great for engagement into solo activities. Yet interacting with others felt like a chore and I really wanted to return to my own world. 

Definitely get that feeling.

Twice a week seems good to me for dedicated consciousness work.

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I feel like it might be too much to take one every 2 day and it's already building some tolerance and lowering the effects, does anybody have some infos about the tolerance ?

Tolerance is supposedly a non-issue but it's not that simple and I also don't think it's true.

Your brain needs rest, hydration, liver needs a break, etc. and that all contributes to the lack of effectiveness. Also you just get used to the state pretty quickly, so having a rest makes you appreciate it when you go back and actually be able to milk it for what it's worth.

I barely noticed the effects at all today, so in my experience tolerance almost felt a bit like LSD tolerance. The next day it's maybe 10-20% effect for the same dose.

[kieranperez]

Do you retain the benefits of your meditation progress if you were to take a day off from modafinil?

Edited March 21, 2019 by kieranperez

[Bluebird]

@kieranperez Too early to tell personally, but even after one session I feel my self-inquiry has improved slightly. It's a bit like psychedelics in that when you meditate on them you quickly understand what meditation is meant to be like. Then when sober you have an idea of what you're looking for, which is pretty helpful.

[Wisebaxter]

1 hour ago, kieranperez said:

Do you retain the benefits of your meditation progress if you were to take a day off from modafinil?

@kieranperez You definitely feel more present the day after. This makes sense, as you're spending such long periods of time with hardly any monkey mind, completely immersed in the present moment. I'd even argue that you will get permanent shifts in consciousness from taking this substance for a while. 

[kieranperez]

@Wisebaxter okay because my line of thinking has been coming from my relationship with ADHD meds like Adderall when I was on it for 17 years (along with a host of other ADHD meds). In the time where Adderall was working really for me it was great but on the days when I didn’t take it there was no residiual benefit on the days I didn’t take it. Which makes me ask the skeptical question of - are you actually improving in your baseline level of consciousness and cognition it is it just the substance doing the work for you? 

I don’t mean to be cynical in my questioning, I just feel so much doubt in my trust for substances in terms of actual legitimate growth and change after almost 2 decades of dealing with pharmaceuticals. 

@Bluebird I’m honestly looking for something to really genuinely help me. Quite honestly, I’m tired of “signs”. I can’t work since being off Adderall for this long. I’m not in a place cognitively where I care about signs. 

Don’t mean to sound punchy at all. Just this whole subject matter regarding pills and stuff drive me a bit crazy because Im tired of being lead astray with a bunch of pills. 

Edited March 22, 2019 by kieranperez

[Wisebaxter]

16 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

okay because my line of thinking has been coming from my relationship with ADHD meds like Adderall when I was on it for 17 years (along with a host of other ADHD meds). In the time where Adderall was working really for me it was great but on the days when I didn’t take it there was no residiual benefit on the days I didn’t take it. Which makes me ask the skeptical question of - are you actually improving in your baseline level of consciousness and cognition it is it just the substance doing the work for you? 

I don’t mean to be cynical in my questioning, I just feel so much doubt in my trust for substances in terms of actual legitimate growth and change after almost 2 decades of dealing with pharmaceuticals. 

@kieranperez I think you're right to skeptical, based on your experience. I don't have any experience with Adderall, but I can say personally, Modafinil allowed me to go so deep into being that my monkey mind seems to have lessened considerably, even weeks after taking it. I have taken some LSD since then too, so that could have contributed, but I think it was largely the Modafinil. Maybe give it a try for a few days and see how you get on...it might be one of those situations where that's the best way of knowing how your mind and body will react to it. It seems to me that most of the people commenting on this thread have had a positive experience, so I'm optimistic that you'll get something from it. 

[Forestluv]

@kieranperez  I have experience with Adderall and know what you are asking. To me, Adderall is like forced attention and energy. I kinda feel like a robot on it. The effects are only apparent while the drug is in the system and there are dependecy and withdrawl  effects. 

Modafanil has a very different effect for me. It’s like being “in the zone”. It’s like my consciousness is raised half a level. The question of whether this persists is an interesting one. I can definitely feel a drop the next day, yet there is another way to look at it. I think it helps create a mental environment that allows for lasting growth, yet it won’t do the growth for a person. If someone uses their modafanil zone flow to play video games and watch porn all day, then no I don’t think there will be a sustained rise in consciousness. Yet if someone uses their modafinil zone flow for contemplation, journaling, meditation, yoga, self inquiry etc, then yes I think there can be. 

[kieranperez]

35 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I think it helps create a mental environment that allows for lasting growth

Elaborate more on that if you can...

36 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

To me, Adderall is like forced attention and energy. I kinda feel like a robot on it.

Lol YEP. You literally feel like a machine. Granted, last time I got that feeling was years ago (close to maybe 10 years... maybe more), but man... when I first had that it was like I went from being this broken mind exuding all this effort to work my mind right and then all of a sudden everything just happened without ever and I literally was a machine. I mean, for those who truly struggle with ADHD... man, when you feel that clarity for the first few times, it's the best moment ever because things FINALLY feel like they're working. 

Try and imagine a race car with low oil, a turbo engine problem, a broken engine, etc. and can't even take off the runway. Meanwhile the driver is at the runway pressing on the gas as hard as he can and utilizing everything in the cockpit to get the car to take off but nothing is working in this broken car. Now imagine all of a sudden in an instant that car is fixed at the same moment that guy is still hammering down on the gas and then all of a sudden he goes from 5 mph (or 8 km for my metric friends) to 300 mph (or just shy of 500 km per hour). That's what Adderall feels like for someone with ADHD. 

You know what's funny @Serotoninluv? When I first tried to get off Adderall it was the most impossible task because I would have this fatigue that was frightening because I couldn't get out of bed. If I say woke up at 8am and didn't take Adderall by the time it was close to 11am, I'd be back in bed and be asleep till maybe 1 or 2, get up, eat half asleep, piss, and go back to bed. Driving would be a nightmare, everything. But then in December of 2017 I switched from 20mg XR to 20mg immediate release and tapered down to 10mg for like 2-3 weeks and then just took a risk, went completely off... no withdrawal. It was weird. Though now I'm noticing worse and worse cognition each and every week and also my short term memory is getting shittier.