Sahil Pandit

Nootropics Mega-Thread

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Here's the list Leo mentioned in the Nootropic's Video.

* Modafinil * Lion's mane Mushroom * L-theanin * Huperzine-A * Alpha-GPC * pterostilbene * sulbutiamine * Vinpocetine * N-Acetyl Tyrosine * Phosphatidyl serine * bacopa monniera * N-A-C sustain * PQQ * COQ10 * Uridine * Ginko Biloba * Vitamin D3 * Fish Oil

Below, please post sources, trip reports, experiences, resources and links to helpful information about Nootropics. 

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This is my current stack of cognitive supplements: (I take these every day)

Rhodiola
Huperzine A
Ginko Biloba
L-Tyrosine
L-Tryptophan
5-HTP
PQQ 
Choline
Bacopa
Glucuronolactone
Inositol
Alpha GPC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic

Edited by Joseph Maynor

At some point you gotta weather the change you need.

 

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Do drugs like Ritalin count as a nootropics? I think it does increase productivity quite a lot but the side effects can be very bad, especially in the long run. 

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Just a caution to everyone because I'm sure people are going to think nootropics are a miracle now after Leo's video:

Do not expect to get strong results beyond what could be placebo effects.
If you do feel like something is super powering you then great, you're one of the lucky few.

Majority of young healthy individuals will not be able to feel a difference and at which point you need to ask yourself if it's worth paying $100+ on pills if you can hardly tell beyond placebo if something is really, actually working, because you may be pissing down vitamins down the toilet.

Do not bother with nootropics if you're not doing these things already:

  •     Healthy Diet
  •     Drinking plenty of water
  •     Exercise.
  •     Good sleeping.
  •     Meditation.

If you're not doing those things don't plan on taking nootropics because you're basically putting the cart before the horse. You're lube a machine that isn't even stable in its foundation and it's not going to quick fix anything.

I got heavily into nootropics in 2011 after a certain movie, but I've found it all a waste of money in my personal experience.

I tried and gave up half the stuff Leo mentioned in the video.

I was buying Modafinil over the counter from a pharmacy and it didn’t do much for me, I even ordered Modalert and Waklert just to confirm whether the brand that everyone was talking about would be any different.

I kind of chuckled when Leo said Armodafinil is like a lower dose of 5-meo. I've never done 5-Meo but I can tell you Armodafinil did nothing for me, even at 2-3 pills of Waklert, at best a strong coffee with high blood pressure. Its strongest point was to keep you awake and I was drowsy and sleepy as usual, even with 6-8 hours of sleep in classes.

The reason why I discontinued using them after several months is because I really couldn't tell if I was getting anything from it or whether it was placebo, and when I discontinued using them I still couldn't tell so I said better to not put these substances in my body and keep the cash instead.

Verdict: I think if you benefit from these supplements you probably had some sort of underlining problem which is out of the ordinary. However if money is an issue, and you're young and healthy then best to avoid.

 

Edited by alankrillin

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@alankrillin Good points.

This is not a short cut to results. Nootropics need to be stacked with your original Personal Development plan, which you mentioned. This includes: Meditation, Clean diet, plenty of sleep and exercise. Also, concentration, mindfulness, and self inquiry/do nothing meditation. 

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Found this interesting study on modafinil: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696807/

It might not be completely safe for everyone. It leads to dopamine release in the brain, which can have an addictive effect. In other studies it caused increased heart rate and blood pressure. So, if you have a heart condition, be careful.

I might give it a try in the future, but for now will continue to do more research.


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In this sense, we are outlaws, and Shiva is the ultimate outlaw.
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Heres a good way to think of nootropics.

It's situational.

"A single study that used 200 mg of Suntheanine® observed a notable improvement in attentional task performance in subjects with high anxiety, whereas subjects with low anxiety didn't see a notable improvement."

So here you see if you're an anxious person it would help a lot with attention if not, you probably won't notice a difference.

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Consequences when ageing 70+ old ?

Does it make the brain lazy ?

I understand it's for boosting, not for foundations.

Edited by Soulbass

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When I take my stack, it is certainly no mere placedo. It's VERY noticable. Modafinil is especially very noticable.

Armodafinil is nuts for me.

And sulbutiamine seems to be the second most noticable for me.

It can be hard to notice each supplement in isolation but easier when they are stacked and synergize.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura would you have any brand recommendation with all of them togehter? or at least 4 or 5?

https://neurohacker.com/qualia-mind?rfsn=1468379.782fb&utm_source=refersion&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=1468379.782fb 

I found this one, almost complete but there is caffeine in it :( 

I was just listening to a podcast wiht Paul Stamets and he recommended Lion's maine, this episode came in perfect time, thank you very much!! 9_9

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2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is my current stack of cognitive supplements: (I take these every day)

Rhodiola
Huperzine A
Ginko Biloba
L-Tyrosine
L-Tryptophan
5-HTP
PQQ 
Choline
Bacopa
Glucuronolactone
Inositol
Alpha GPC

Don't forget to cycle off radhiola from time to time.

Either 7 day on - 7 day off or something of that nature. It can become very addictive.

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I tend to microdose LSD around 1/8 to 1/4 of a 100mcg tab twice a week max.

Microdosing definitely works differently from the full trip but unfortunately, it doesn't give me consistent effects (one day hyped, outgoing and motivated & the other day introspective, low and introverted)

Is it safe to try nootropics the same week ill be microdosing?

Edited by Socrates

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@Sahil Pandit Yeah, that's what I was talking about, he was also interviewed by Tim Ferris.

"we all suffer from some form of dementia " Paul Stamets haha 

Edited by MsNobody

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Here’s what’s always stumped me as this was my experience when I was on ADHD medication for 17 years:

When I got off my Adderall, I lost all the “progress” I made when I was doing my meditation habit while on Adderall. I mean, after 17 years it was more of a bodily reliance to be at a baseline level of functionality. However, when I got off my medication and decided to get that shit out of my system, I not only lost all my progress in my meditation but I was in the negative.

Although I’m optimistic about all this stuff on nootropics, from my experience though this sounds very similar to the effect of things like PEDs where you make MASSIVE progress while on them but only so long as you’re on them and then when you get off it’s totally different story. 

If I were to use a sports analogy: to me, and please tell me if I’m wrong, like we’re getting better results from training  so long as we’re taking steroids. So we’re still putting in the hard hours every single day, that hasn’t changed, but those stunning results catalyzed by nootropics are only actualized so long as  we’re taking nootropics on some sort of basis. I could be a great runner and running 100 miles per week and training hard and smart and take say EPO (performance enhancing drug for those that are unfamiliar) which will help me run even faster had I not been taking EPO which takes me to the next level. However, I’m only running that fast so long as I’m taking EPO. So in reality, to contrast that with say meditation, I didn’t really develop say better concentration in a way that lasted.

Has this been your guys’ experience? 

I also don’t want to come off as though I’m making some sort of case for doing things “the old fashioned way”. So please don’t confuse this question with that.

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