PsiloPutty

Religion and fully enlightened people?

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OK, let's say a Christian monastic meditates 10 hours a day for years and reaches a full awakening. Upon seeing himself as everything and nothing, what would keep him adhered and devoted to Christianity? Wouldn't he see beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bible is just a collection of stories? Wouldn't he see that HE is Christ, Allah, the Buddha and leave religion behind as a matter of course? I can understand how a non-fully awakened monk would likely remain devoted to his religion, but it seems to me that a full awakening would lead them to walk out the door every time. 

Summed up: do fully enlightened people ever keep their previously-held religion? How? Why?

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@PsiloPutty fully enlightened people see religions as methods. some of them work and some of them don't. the religion that i'd teach would certainly be the religion that worked for me. it's not a matter of beliefs. it's a matter of practice and proficiency.

the true buddhist doesn't believe the words of the buddha. the true buddhist lives the life of a buddha. same for christians, krishna devotees etc.


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@ajasatya  I follow you completely. The religion becomes a model.

 

Edited to add a thank you. Thank you.  :)

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56 minutes ago, PsiloPutty said:

Wouldn't he see beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bible is just a collection of stories?

No, bible is not just a collection of stories, it is a path towards enlightenment. 

56 minutes ago, PsiloPutty said:

do fully enlightened people ever keep their previously-held religion? How? Why?

Jesus was a Jew but Jews never accepted him as messiah. Every religion becomes distorted with time. People interpret teachings according to their convenience and interests.

Some religions in the east have produced many enlightened masters to refresh the message again and again.

When a religion don't produce new enlightened masters or his followers don't accept a new master it becomes dead or a political organization at the most.

Modern man don't need organized religions but they were necessary in the past. 

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What about strict Islam? Would a previous devotee still espouse Sharia Law after enlightenment? Can't help but think that huge chunks of former belief would have to be dropped.

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all religions are the same history seen by different people  with different lives... almost all modern religions are just a bunch of money making companies masked

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6 minutes ago, PsiloPutty said:

What about strict Islam? Would a previous devotee still espouse Sharia Law after enlightenment? Can't help but think that huge chunks of former belief would have to be dropped.

Islam has left no scope of any reform, any enlightened master will not try to reform it directly. Muhammad is the last messenger, any other messenger will be killed instantly.

Depletion of oil and gas reserves, internet , materialism and influence of western culture will make them less strict in future.  

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All religions share the same metaphysical and spiritual truth. All try to somehow lead you to spirituality, to go within. But after that, when you have arrived at the ultimate and seen truth for yourself, there is no need to follow any religion. I would have left it all, but everyone is different.

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All religions and system of thought lead to Enlightenment. 

But one has to be aware of the occult meaning in them, without the view of the background, there is no awakening. 

 

Usually, those who are still in a religion, 1. they don't know the full truth, 2. they are there with a hidden agenda knowing the truth. 

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I believes it is such a major paradigm shift that the actions they then take are very different. basically everything we do is coming from a place of ego and since they are not there anymore many things we think make sense are completely pointless for them. they've gone completely meta so to speak. 

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Now it has happened to me again.

Just to try it out in my desperation I prayed to Jesus yesterday and tonight. And what happened? A girl suddenly wrote to me about Jesus and that stuff and she wants me to read the bible, and last night I thought about that maybe I should read the bible.

It seems like I'm a magnet for christians. There's like 3 christians in whole Sweden and they all get drawn to me. The odds are low that my only few contacts turn out to be christians.

But yea, whatever, coincidence I guess.. again..


I love Truth and I'm allergic to delusion.

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@Mikael89   Maybe you should read it. *shrug* Hard to deny that sort of synchronicity.

And what religion are most swedes? 

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5 hours ago, PsiloPutty said:

@Mikael89   Maybe you should read it. *shrug* Hard to deny that sort of synchronicity.

And what religion are most swedes? 

Yea I think I will read it. There's probably some Truth in the bible covered with metaphors.

None. Most swedes don't believe in anything spiritual at all. It baffles me how ignorant/asleep people are. 

But those few who are religious are usually christian.

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Interesting....had no idea.

I used to play table tennis with a dude from Sweden. I learned some curse words in Swedish by listening to him, but that's all I know of Sweden.  xD   No idea how to spell them, but a couple of them sound like "Javla kyook" and "Javla fay-tah."  I think those are talking about the devil. 

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@PsiloPutty perhaps the enlightened monk just really prefers the monastic lifestyle, and chooses to stay for that reason. He may have to hide the truth from fellow monks, but he's fluent enough in Christian speak to get by.  😋 He may also try to show them some nuggets of truth as well. 

And of course true, original Christianity is nothing like catholic Christianity, so once he finds truth he probably is able to study his bible and appreciate the allegories of truth in it instead of seeing the dogma. He sticks with the religion because he has found a whole new respect for it even after all these years. 


 

 

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@PsiloPutty It is very important to distinguish enlightenment itself from the mind's embodiment and understanding of it. You can have nondual states at low levels of mental development. You can be a devout Blue Christian who has nondual experiences and interprets them as Christ consciousness but it still ethocentric and highly partial to Christianity, denoucing Buddhism and Islam as devil worship.

To be able to integrate lots of various worldviews and to be globalist vs enthocentric does NOT come automatically with nondual states. It takes great mental development to be able to stand outside your cultural biases and programming.

Even if you become fully enlightened, your mind will still be filled with cultural programming and biases. And it will not automatically understand all the other traditions in the world without study. You can be enlightened and yet still totally ignorant of Islam or Hinduism or science, and how they all interconnect.

If Jesus was alive today, he might not look too kindly upon Buddhism or Islam.

If you were raised Christian, you will probably have a strong preference to interpret enlightenment in a way that's favorable to that tradition. There will still be subtle bias. Just like if you were raised in a scientific household, you will be biased towards scientific explanations of enlightenment. You will talk about neuroscience and evolution and so on.

Watch out. These are all traps!

Enlightenment alone will NOT make you Turquoise.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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5 hours ago, PsiloPutty said:

Interesting....had no idea.

I used to play table tennis with a dude from Sweden. I learned some curse words in Swedish by listening to him, but that's all I know of Sweden.  xD   No idea how to spell them, but a couple of them sound like "Javla kyook" and "Javla fay-tah."  I think those are talking about the devil. 

LMAO!! "fucking dick" "fucking pussy"


"Maybe aliens is sitting somewhere up there looking at this at like a video feed and jerking off to it. You don't know!" - Leo Gura, 2018

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@Leo Gura Then that is not TRUE integration of enlightenment or the enlightened state but merely the glimpses of enlightenment similarly as you get from your psychedelic experiences. I don't think you understand true enlightenment my friend you are misleading a lot of people by your assumptions and i think its time someone mentions this if they haven't already.

True Enlightenment is the most humbling experience that literally clears EVERYTHING and the only thing that is left is simply who you are as a whole. I don't believe you have experienced/integrated this yet from my observation of your posts and immature responses to others so i do not think it is wise to lead and correct others where you have not mastered that state of being yourself.

I don't mean to be the one to hurt your ego, but i believe if i don't present the truth, no one else will.


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