Leo Gura

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   Great example of mostly stage blue thinking and religious literal thinking:

 

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Atticus finch, my favorite example or epitome of stage blue stage in my opinion.

A lawyer who even after being spitted upon, choose not to be violent. He even has the physical advantage, or is someone bigger compared to the hillbilly but chose not to retaliate and just walk away. Pure class and grace and a fine example of stage blue values

He is my movie hero. And a goal of what i want to be in the future. It just shows that there is still a lot of good things to implement even if the blue stage is somewhat lower compared to the other stages.

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Examples of how lower stage red / blue can still outsmart higher developed stage orange 

 

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This song is a masterpiece

It's about a young man growing up in Compton, California, a stage red environment. It's very dangerous. Everyone is struggling just to survive.

At the end of the song, there is a skit in which the young man is angry and holding a gun. The wise mother talks him down and points him to the direction of God. The young man calms down and starts to pray. This is the transcendence of red to blue.

 

Skit

Son: Fuck, I'm tired of fuckin running...

Mother: Young man, come talk to me... Is that what I think that is (looking at the gun in her son's hand)... I know that's not what I think that is. Why are you so angry? See you young men are dying of thirst. Do you know what that means? That means, you need water, holy water. You need to be baptized with the spirit of the lord. Do you want to receive God as your personal savior? Okay repeat after me...

Everyone: Lord god, I come to you a sinner. And I humbly repent for my sins. I Believe that Jesus is lord. I believe you raised him from the dead. I will ask that Jesus come into my life to be my lord and savior. I receive Jesus to take control of my life. And that I may live for him from this day forward. Thank you lord Jesus for saving me with your precious blood. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Mother: Alright now, remember this day. The start of a new life. Your real life. 

 

Think about this from the young mans perspective

The young man sees death all around him, his friends and family have died from gang violence, all he knows is survival, survival at all cost. He is capable of love, but his own survival comes first, he has to be selfish in order to survive, very selfish. 

Now his mother comes to him and offers a different path, the path of God. The young man decides to put his faith into God, he intuits that there is something to this religion thing. It makes him feel good about his situation. 

 

Edited by Spiritual Warrior

Nothingness cannot be seen with eyes, Nor heard with ears, Tasted with the tongue, Smelt with the nose, Felt by the body, Or known by the mind ~ God is Nothingness by Andrew Halaw

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Stage blue debater claims that because Hamas hasn't killed every hostage, that they must not be genocidal, because the Nazis "killed everyone."

If we assume this to be true, why would there not be an infinite difference between the tactics Hamas employs and the tactics the Nazis employed. Yet this person keeps talking with confidence because "Israel bad and genocide genocide genocide genocide" is his new religion, fully implanted within him by the vast strength of the mainstream.

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Ruth Underwood playing Frank Zappa's music on piano in the piano room at Juilliard and an employee coming into the room saying "What's that?" "That doesn't sound like the kind of music we play here!" "Get out!" 😝😅

Edited by Carl-Richard

Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being.

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On 9/14/2024 at 9:27 PM, numbersinarow said:

Stage blue debater claims that because Hamas hasn't killed every hostage, that they must not be genocidal, because the Nazis "killed everyone."

If we assume this to be true, why would there not be an infinite difference between the tactics Hamas employs and the tactics the Nazis employed. Yet this person keeps talking with confidence because "Israel bad and genocide genocide genocide genocide" is his new religion, fully implanted within him by the vast strength of the mainstream.

Then pagan gains turns into full on red, and screams insults and "shut up" while getting objectively annihilated on the question of if mandatory conscription is slavery or not. Actually a very good study case on how red will react when someone else is smarter or right.

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أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ليو رسول الله

Translation: I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Leo [Gura] is the messenger of Allah.

 

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I submit that egoism belongs to the essence of a noble soul, I mean the unalterable belief that to a being such as "we," other beings must naturally be in subjection, and have to sacrifice themselves. The noble soul accepts the fact of his egoism without question, and also without consciousness of harshness, constraint, or arbitrariness therein, but rather as something that may have its basis in the primary law of things:—if he sought a designation for it he would say: "It is justice itself."

- Nietzsche

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"Dealing with conservatives is like wrestling with a pig." That can be very true. Here is an example to hammer that home.

Knowing that someone would rather shoot you or threaten to rape your family rather than admit their worldview is wrong COULD save your life in the future.

If a fundamentalist, especially an american christian male, was somehow forced into thinking his worldview is refuted, he would turn more violent than anyone could imagine. It would be like watching a demon possessed animal.

https://x.com/DrAllyLouks/status/1863386906769211575

Remember 2 things.

1. You will never relate to ideologically possessed people. They are far too different from you.

2. The reason behind their actions isn't because they are scared, extremely fragile, have their own version of the truth etc. it's just that they want as much as they can to give in to the impulse to be evil. This is not a demonization, and it can't be stressed enough. There are simply people who want to be evil.

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