Kriya Yoga Mega-Thread

[TheSelf]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

In my experience- state is only as important to the level / degree in which  it enables understanding.

A state of kangaroo Consciousness is probably pretty cool to explore, but even better if it gets one closer to Pure Understanding.

So is the case for all other states. What’s a state of Enlightenment worth without pure understanding that comes along with it? Not much in the end ..

I want you to understand how all states is equal from Absolute POV. And calling a specific state 'better', 'important' or thinking something worth and the other thing isn't is just the egoic-mind.

And also understanding the self (shiva) is beyond any states or enlightenment experiences as he is stateless, unmoving, ever shining reality in which all states come and go(shakti as pranic field of changes) but he doesn't move an inch. Only through intense self-enquiry you reach this self-realization.

[Terell Kirby]

2 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

And also understanding the self (shiva) is beyond any states or enlightenment experiences as he is stateless, unmoving, ever shining reality in which all states come and go(shakti as pranic field of changes) but he doesn't move an inch. Only through intense self-enquiry you reach this self-realization.

how do you know shiva isn't some made up construct you're imagining?

Be careful to check if your ideas of self / shiva are your own, or if they have been adopted by some external source.

This is the real work

[TheSelf]

16 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

how do you know shiva isn't some made up construct you're imagining?

Be careful to check if your ideas of self / shiva are your own, or if they have been adopted by some external source.

This is the real work

Call it Shiva, the self, awareness, consciousness whatever, doesn't matters.

I understand what you mean but Self-realization isn't about gathering ideas about yourself, but contemplating to see beyond any ideas, thoughts, states, mind's self-deceptions, who are 'you'?

Going deep in the heart of yourself seeing the truth, understanding and being liberated.

Edited November 16, 2025 by TheSelf

[Davidess]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing matters but Understanding.

From my perspective, Understanding is just step number 1. What if there are steps beyond it? It's the most important step in a sense that without it, you cannot move forward in the right direction.

But what if "Being" is beyond Understanding? You can understand you are Love, get a psychedelic insight about that, but what's good about it if you cannot embody it? It doesn't mean to act lovingly (positively) in every circumstance (as a stage Green person would), but actually radiating Love, becoming it, being reverent, not in a forceful way, but as a natural way of being.

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Davidess said:

From my perspective, Understanding is just step number 1. What if there are steps beyond it? It's the most important step in a sense that without it, you cannot move forward in the right direction.

But what if "Being" is beyond Understanding? You can understand you are Love, get a psychedelic insight about that, but what's good about it if you cannot embody it? It doesn't mean to act lovingly (positively) in every circumstance (as a stage Green person would), but actually radiating Love, becoming it, being reverent, not in a forceful way, but as a natural way of being.

Yes, if You "Understand" then You will Embody it that is that.. States are the 1st priority of You really want to Know what is Reality, then Understanding comes with it, but Understanding is limited for sure as "What are You trying to Understand?".  As SJV said in the poster, with Kriya You get to know the nuts and bolts of Existence, I think this is Understanding right? Some may put that primary, but for Me State of BEING is primary, get that down so that naturally Your intouch with Truth and Reality/God/Absolute then Your there, understanding wise and other wise.. From what I know, to be Enlightened doesn't mean all knowing either, there are levels to it...

The problem with Psychedelic use, especially for those that have little to no experience with Spirituality, when they have a "Grand Experience" there is fear attached to it in the beginning and maybe Bliss and Completeness experience at the end, they come out of it wanting it again and again with no real insight that produces lasting change in their lives, its too quick of a uprising in Experience if You ask Me, they then "Experience" chase it, just for the experience alone, and many times think this is the only way, when it is not the only way to have Grand Experiences.  The key is permanent change, which happens more safely imo with more traditional practices like Yoga or Daoism and such.. Just see on the psychedelic forum that one guy is experience chasing for sure, addicted already, this is no good

Edited November 16, 2025 by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

Thought to share this here, Sadhguru talking about Oja's, subtle Energy fields that we all have within and around Us, and how to enhance them with Yogic practices, this talk is from 2002!

He says the amount and quality of your Oja's determines many things in Your life, like the intensity of Your Presence, and how ppl can feel it around You! 

Very Interesting stuff!!

 

[TheSelf]

When doing pranayama I'd suggest not just move energy up down, do a contemplation session to just think about it...think about what you are doing, what the heck this practice is actually is!!

Prana is your whole life experience (the vibratory field) and you are always controling it either consciously or unconsciously!

And now you are directly controling it command it to purify your whole body physiologicaly, energticaly and produce a desired state of consciousness for you!! 

Who can do this? An individual entity living in a physical world??!! 

Yeah, God can only do that! You! 

You do not do it to become something else, you do it and you actually do it magicaly to realize you are God!

Think about moving your hand, a very basic manipulation of your prana, the forces that work together to make that happen as you wish and it happens instantly! You do it not by imagining it but by being it! You don't think this is magical but think actual direct control of your energy for any porpuse you desire is a miracle right?!

[Salvijus]

On 2025-11-08 at 0:51 PM, TheSelf said:

Regular daily practice of Kriya Yoga is very important, as even gaining a little bit of progress in terms of sensing your energy or any effect of the practice you start to feel, you don't wanna lose!

This is true spirituality, literally transforming your entire experience of life towards liberation on all levels!

None of your psychedelic experiences do matter as the real work is to be done through Kriya Yoga path by changing your body physiologicaly, energetically.

Also I wanna emphasize again on some daily hatha yoga too, my experience of the energy is on whole new level all thanks to hatha practices that opened and purified many of the nadis and the three channels.

So keep practicing guys! 

I would echo what you're saying aswell. 

Jumping on a trampoline is not the same as actually climbing the ladder. If you were to wipe out the memory of a sage, he would still remain a sage. If you were to wipe out the memories of a psychonout, you would find just an avarage guy. Jumping on a trampoline is fine but unless you're actually climbing the ladder, from existencial point of view, you're not going anywhere. 

Edited December 23, 2025 by Salvijus

[Thought Art]

Qigong is complimentary to Pranayama/ Krya. Qi is mysterious but it’s a real thing. There will be a new generation of Yogi’s and Qigong practitioners who explore, teach and study this field. 

[Magnanimous]

JC Stevens says that you should start doing pranayama for 12 reps a day. Then after a few months increase to 24

But I only plan on doing pranayama and maha mudra. So I can obviously increase the rate.

How do I know when to increase the amount of pranayamas I'm doing?