Kriya Yoga Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

On 11/8/2025 at 2:51 AM, TheSelf said:

None of your psychedelic experiences do matter

They matter more than anything matters.

But Kriya is good too.

Edited yesterday at 10:31 PM by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They matter more than anything matters.

But Kriya is good too.

Are you gonna do a crash course on the stripped down version of Kriya? Looking to get back into the practice. I've got all the books but I feel it's overkill.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, mmKay said:

Are you gonna do a crash course on the stripped down version of Kriya?

You mean a Kriya course?

I want to make one but not until I gain more experience in it. In a few years. I need to test it out more and I got other courses to make first and the retreat.

Focus on mastering pranayama. That's the gist of it.

Edited yesterday at 11:12 PM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You mean a Kriya course?

I want to make one but not until I gain more experience in it. In a few years. I need to test it out more and I got other courses to make first and the retreat.

Focus on mastering pranayama.

That just sounds like breathing with extra steps.

[Thought Art]

Michael over at Yogalap has a pay what you want Pranayama course I highly recommend. 

Learning from books is super hard. Learning from video is the best way to rapidly learn if you don’t have an in person teacher. 

I honestly think consciousness can be explored through pranayama, Krya, Acupressure and Qigong. Meditation is a foundation for that work. What I am saying is very profound for relative spiritual work and inner cultivation. 
 

Also, look up Dan Brulé’s breathing courses. Very Interesting and powerful stuff are these breathing exercises. 
 

I share these tangents with you in this Krya thread so you can start to envision the potential of a holistic approach to energy work. 
 

These sober practices are important along with psychedelic work, journaling, contemplating etc. 

Actually, a great way to approach each of these fields is through contemplating while doing them. Deeply contemplate an acupressure point for a couple years. 

Edited yesterday at 11:26 PM by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

That just sounds like breathing with extra steps.

That's what yoga is.

[UnbornTao]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what yoga is.

Just call it Breathing 2.0.

[Thought Art]

@UnbornTao Call it Breath Work

[UnbornTao]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@UnbornTao Call it Breath Work

Breath Work Pro Max sells better.

[Thought Art]

@UnbornTao Bhaa

 

[TheSelf]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They matter more than anything matters.

But Kriya is good too.

Temporary experience, sure they come with understandings and insights, and love, but you come back from any state you experience.

Kriya Yoga changes your body physiologicaly and energetically and you master the necessary skills, so that God consciousness could be your moment to moment default state if you wish.

How does these even compare?

Imagine dating God over and over (in psychedelics) versus making her your girlfriend and living with her! 

Edited 17 hours ago by TheSelf

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Temporary experience,

No!

It permananetly changes your understanding, and understanding is what matters most, more than any state or enlightenment.

Nothing matters but Understanding.

God-Realization is just Total Self-Understanding.

You can have all the enlightenments you want but you still won't understand.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura

Understanding is the key that unlocks insights.

Understanding is the value of consciousness 

Edited 16 hours ago by ExploringReality

[TheSelf]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No!

It permananetly changes your understanding, and understanding is what matters most, more than any state or enlightenment.

Nothing matters but Understanding.

God-Realization is just Total Self-Understanding.

You can have all the enlightenments you want but you still won't understand.

I assume understanding is your deepest joy and most important desire, but don't think everyone wants the same thing, and has the same priorities, I value  understanding as much as I value states, and gaining mastery over my energy and mind. Intellectual dry understanding doesn't have much value for me 

Why'd understanding be more important than states or vise versa? Or would chasing enlightenment have less value than understanding, see it's just egoic mind who emphasis on something pushing away other things not God. God doesn't care.

I'd say the wise choice would be maintaining balance between all these aspects. Meaning as much as you care for psychedelics care for yoga too and put in practices.

[Terell Kirby]

44 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

Why'd understanding be more important than states or vise versa?

In my experience- state is only as important insofar to the level and degree in which it enables understanding.

A state of kangaroo Consciousness is probably pretty cool to explore, but even better if it gets one closer to Pure Understanding.

Same goes for all other states. After all, what’s a state of Enlightenment worth without pure understanding that comes along with it? Not much in the end .. just more played out spiritual ideas and platitudes

Edited 14 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[TheSelf]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

In my experience- state is only as important to the level / degree in which  it enables understanding.

A state of kangaroo Consciousness is probably pretty cool to explore, but even better if it gets one closer to Pure Understanding.

So is the case for all other states. What’s a state of Enlightenment worth without pure understanding that comes along with it? Not much in the end ..

I want you to understand how all states is equal from Absolute POV. And calling a specific state 'better', 'important' or thinking something worth and the other thing isn't is just the egoic-mind.

And also understanding the self (shiva) is beyond any states or enlightenment experiences as he is stateless, unmoving, ever shining reality in which all states come and go(shakti as pranic field of changes) but he doesn't move an inch. Only through intense self-enquiry you reach this self-realization.

[Terell Kirby]

2 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

And also understanding the self (shiva) is beyond any states or enlightenment experiences as he is stateless, unmoving, ever shining reality in which all states come and go(shakti as pranic field of changes) but he doesn't move an inch. Only through intense self-enquiry you reach this self-realization.

how do you know shiva isn't some made up construct you're imagining?

Be careful to check if your ideas of self / shiva are your own, or if they have been adopted by some external source.

This is the real work

[TheSelf]

16 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

how do you know shiva isn't some made up construct you're imagining?

Be careful to check if your ideas of self / shiva are your own, or if they have been adopted by some external source.

This is the real work

Call it Shiva, the self, awareness, consciousness whatever, doesn't matters.

I understand what you mean but Self-realization isn't about gathering ideas about yourself, but contemplating to see beyond any ideas, thoughts, states, mind's self-deceptions, who are 'you'?

Going deep in the heart of yourself seeing the truth, understanding and being liberated.

Edited 14 hours ago by TheSelf

[Davidess]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing matters but Understanding.

From my perspective, Understanding is just step number 1. What if there are steps beyond it? It's the most important step in a sense that without it, you cannot move forward in the right direction.

But what if "Being" is beyond Understanding? You can understand you are Love, get a psychedelic insight about that, but what's good about it if you cannot embody it? It doesn't mean to act lovingly (positively) in every circumstance (as a stage Green person would), but actually radiating Love, becoming it, being reverent, not in a forceful way, but as a natural way of being.

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Davidess said:

From my perspective, Understanding is just step number 1. What if there are steps beyond it? It's the most important step in a sense that without it, you cannot move forward in the right direction.

But what if "Being" is beyond Understanding? You can understand you are Love, get a psychedelic insight about that, but what's good about it if you cannot embody it? It doesn't mean to act lovingly (positively) in every circumstance (as a stage Green person would), but actually radiating Love, becoming it, being reverent, not in a forceful way, but as a natural way of being.

Yes, if You "Understand" then You will Embody it that is that.. States are the 1st priority of You really want to Know what is Reality, then Understanding comes with it, but Understanding is limited for sure as "What are You trying to Understand?".  As SJV said in the poster, with Kriya You get to know the nuts and bolts of Existence, I think this is Understanding right? Some may put that primary, but for Me State of BEING is primary, get that down so that naturally Your intouch with Truth and Reality/God/Absolute then Your there, understanding wise and other wise.. From what I know, to be Enlightened doesn't mean all knowing either, there are levels to it...

The problem with Psychedelic use, especially for those that have little to no experience with Spirituality, when they have a "Grand Experience" there is fear attached to it in the beginning and maybe Bliss and Completeness experience at the end, they come out of it wanting it again and again with no real insight that produces lasting change in their lives, its too quick of a uprising in Experience if You ask Me, they then "Experience" chase it, just for the experience alone, and many times think this is the only way, when it is not the only way to have Grand Experiences.  The key is permanent change, which happens more safely imo with more traditional practices like Yoga or Daoism and such.. Just see on the psychedelic forum that one guy is experience chasing for sure, addicted already, this is no good

Edited 8 hours ago by Ishanga