Harming your Reputation

[integral]

I have a doctor cousin who got very sick and went through the healthcare industry and they couldn't cure her and she Is seeking help but from a very traditional lens of pharmaceuticals.

So, The only responsible thing I can think of is to tell them a way of helping themselves to alleviate symptoms.

But by doing so they judge you as being irrational, Lost in Wrong ways of thinking, new age hippie shit.

When you try to help these people, You harm your own reputation with them. BUT It's still the only responsible thing to do. Are you just not gonna tell them?

Edited Monday at 04:10 PM by integral

[LastThursday]

You can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The horse may even kick you.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Not care about what they think. Or at least, if you do care, accept that you will feel sadness and allow this. With the idea that you may have some transient emotional upset that will pass, with the overall intention of good. Even if people do not understand your actions.

I have largely given up trying to be understood as much by others. When younger, being misunderstood caused me much upset. Especially when it is wilful. 

It won't harm you to accept and feel hurt at others judgement. Avoidance of it is much worse. Not avoiding the pain of being judged and developing the capacity to experience it without allowing it to dictate my behaviour was a skill it took me a long time to learn.

[gettoefl]

I care more about doing some good than what another thinks. I know I'm a rubbish person through a worldly lens. I still will do some good.

[Psychonaut]

8 hours ago, integral said:

I have a doctor cousin who got very sick and went through the healthcare industry and they couldn't cure her and she Is seeking help but from a very traditional lens of pharmaceuticals.

So, The only responsible thing I can think of is to tell them a way of helping themselves to alleviate symptoms.

But by doing so they judge you as being irrational, Lost in Wrong ways of thinking, new age hippie shit.

When you try to help these people, You harm your own reputation with them. BUT It's still the only responsible thing to do. Are you just not gonna tell them?

Do I know this cousin?

[Jordan of the Shire]

14 hours ago, integral said:

I have a doctor cousin who got very sick and went through the healthcare industry and they couldn't cure her and she Is seeking help but from a very traditional lens of pharmaceuticals.

So, The only responsible thing I can think of is to tell them a way of helping themselves to alleviate symptoms.

But by doing so they judge you as being irrational, Lost in Wrong ways of thinking, new age hippie shit.

When you try to help these people, You harm your own reputation with them. BUT It's still the only responsible thing to do. Are you just not gonna tell them?

I think it hurts to watch other people suffer. 

Telling people about alternative medicine isn't a bad thing. 

The most woo thing I've heard.

"The way I healed my broken back was through samadhi, emptiness, not-self, faith, and holding space in the tissues so they would fill with qi and regenerate" 

Difficult to tell medical doctors that's possible when most of their lived experience says that's not possible.

It's also true that somethings are beyond the control of masters. Illness does come up and affects everyone. 

----

I test the waters. If people are open and receptive then great. If not, no worries. It is hard though. If not, I choose my moments. I notice I have to deliberately distance myself emotionally from people who are suffering and can't help themselves, or despair. 

There is a level of persuasion that could be necessary. DnD style. Persuasion and Charisma checks. If the character traits arent there it can be difficult to entice people to your way of thinking.

Edited Tuesday at 06:10 AM by Jordan of the Shire

[integration journey]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I have largely given up trying to be understood as much by others

This takes so much wisdom. People spend decades tryin to impress other people and be understood by them

[Ramanujan]

medical problems are beyond the paygrade of actualized.org

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, integration journey said:

This takes so much wisdom. People spend decades tryin to impress other people and be understood by them

It was my biggest personal trigger too 🥹

Nothing could make me crash out faster.

Most disagreements or strange comments toward me now are just "hmmm, this person probably just misunderstood me, or I failed to make myself clear. I'll good faith check and see if they are wilfully doing so, or it is just miscommunication". I just tap out when it's a bad faith character; I don't care if they misunderstand me.

Caring for my grandmother with dimentia taught me this also. I had to use force and conviction to perform physical caring tasks. She didn't understand why her granddaughter was so pushy. Forcing her to wash or eat. Checking bill dates etc. It was an act of love to care for her. She just couldn't understand it. I had to come to terms with my expression of love being misunderstood as an act of removing her liberty and soverignty. Like a child that doesn't realise why they have a bedtime. But the parent sets the routine for a benefit that can't yet be understood. 

Difficult lessons. But the best ones 🙏💫

[Psychonaut]

Happy 7,788 Natasha! @Natasha Tori Maru  Enjoy

[Carl-Richard]

Did you tell them it's the office air? 😶‍🌫️

[integration journey]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It was my biggest personal trigger too 🥹

Nothing could make me crash out faster.

Most disagreements or strange comments toward me now are just "hmmm, this person probably just misunderstood me, or I failed to make myself clear. I'll good faith check and see if they are wilfully doing so, or it is just miscommunication". I just tap out when it's a bad faith character; I don't care if they misunderstand me.

Caring for my grandmother with dimentia taught me this also. I had to use force and conviction to perform physical caring tasks. She didn't understand why her granddaughter was so pushy. Forcing her to wash or eat. Checking bill dates etc. It was an act of love to care for her. She just couldn't understand it. I had to come to terms with my expression of love being misunderstood as an act of removing her liberty and soverignty. Like a child that doesn't realise why they have a bedtime. But the parent sets the routine for a benefit that can't yet be understood. 

Difficult lessons. But the best ones 🙏💫

🤍

[Psychonaut]

Yes. I need to open the windows they said. Bad air in here.

Enjoy the show. New Season just started. #LGTM

Edited Tuesday at 11:00 PM by Psychonaut

[PsychedelicEagle]

I believe there is a sweet spot between feeding them (what you think is) the truth and their openness to it.

What I mean:

1. Push the whole truth and they'll reject it altogether. It may even make them grab onto their beliefs harder.
2. Do nothing and they won't learn anything.
3. Gauge as much as possible their level of openness and try to help within those constraints. You feed them part of the truth but at least there's a chance they may digest it.

So perhaps approach #3 above is best. That should also keep your reputation or at least it won't be as tarnished as with option #1.

Curious to hear what you guys think.

[Rafael Thundercat]

I think this touch in the Topic of Belonging vs Not Belonging. 

Is a topic that keep coming to me. In one side there is this need that we in our unique way of being can contribute for the good of those around us. But will those around us accept and receive our gifts? Even if we use the best strategies to deliver it in a way that respect their boundaries of accept or not the gifts? 

Who never felt that the place their were living gave them no space for sharing themselves? So, Belong is tricky. We need it, but we never get it fully. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWESHv4AImZ/?dlrf=MXl3aW9zYjZtb2xo

Found this author who dive into this topic. 

Full audio book avaliable on YT

 

 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Rafael Thundercat]

Also as we are talking about Alternative Medicine I worth contemplate this point here

https://www.instagram.com/p/Dfn2MI6GprF/?vrfl=MWo2YXQ0engxZTVkaQ==

The carrousel touch in the problem that we look for Medicine as a fix the problem but not fix the environment where the problem took place.

I am living now the very example of  what this Instagram post talks about. I was not long ago living in a Vila where there was much more Nature than City. Now in the last month I moved to a Big City and I can say the fumes and the unglyness of the City makes me sick. So is not just a question of eating healty, exercise and anything one can do individuality. That is what is under our control, the rest of the factors and not under our control, appart of moving out from the toxic environment. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

The not so good side of Belonging is that who your surround yourself with may affect you, even in suble ways. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DezL-I6N_6z/?cplk=MTJ5cHMzeXRuOWFmcg==