What is the best evidence you can find for the paranormal or supernatural?

[trenton]

I think this is an important part of spirituality in terms of demonstrating the limits of the materialist paradigm. I have been running into some problems with formulating a cleaner position for something like atheism. The problem happens if the atheist over claims in terms of how much is natural versus how much is supernatural. If too much is claimed to be natural such that everything is natural, it becomes indistinguishable from everything being supernatural or everything being God. I also noticed that there is no real principled line to draw between natural and supernatural.

For example, imagine ghosts were real. Why would we call a ghost supernatural if a ghost is still a naturally occurring phenomenon? We may as well just call ghosts natural. The lack of a principled distinction between natural and supernatural is part of why I feel inclined to reject this distinction as it doesn't seem tenable, especially if either everything is God or everything is not God. There is also the problem of what counts as proof and who gets to define these proof standards and the problem of why the naturalist explanation should be privileged over the supernatural explanation as that is a bias.

So for our purposes, I will be calling things like ghosts paranormal, granted it isn't really an objective distinction. There could be other phenomenon you would consider paranormal as well, but I will give a few examples.

I had an experience with a psychic who shouldn't have known that I had a girlfriend whose name started with 'Ali.' She just looked at me and then had this epiphany even though there is no way she should have known that. She was referring to Alice and without asking leading questions she somehow knew this. This experience makes it hard for me to dismiss psychic phenomenon, especially when paired with other outside evidence. In this case the outside evidence would be ghost tours I went on to see some pictures, psychics claiming to talk to ghosts, military experiments on remote viewing, and reports from skin walker ranch also done by the military.

 

I attached a photo of a ghost I got from a ghost tour. They had other good pictures and videos too such as orbs of light. Orbs of light were also reported at Skin Walker ranch. The Victorian Era woman is the bottom left hand corner.

If you have any good videos, recordings, experiences, or anything else you would consider proof of the supernatural, then I would like to see it. This is part of why in terms of formulating a decent position for atheism, I think the scope would need to be narrowed to "the supernatural claims of the Bible are nonsense." This would be a fair defensible claim, but if it is overextended I think it becomes easier to dispute. An overly broad scope would be sloppy.

What would you consider the best proof of the paranormal or supernatural?

[OBEler]

@trenton where is the orb in the photo? 

Skin walker ranch was a scam to get free money from government to explore non existent paranormal events. 

[Carl-Richard]

If you care about scientific evidence:

 

 

 

 

 

If you care about personal stories:

Tom Campbell recounting shared out-of-body experiences with his colleague at Monroe Institute back in the 70s:

8:13

 

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[Bashar]

19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you care about scientific evidence:

 

 

 

 

 

If you care about personal stories:

Tom Campbell recounting shared out-of-body experiences with his colleague at Monroe Institute back in the 70s:

8:13

 

Yeah Tom and OBEs in general I'd say is best proof. Tom even had experiments of himself talking while out of body, having conversations with another OBEer at the same time while in separate rooms. And if you don't believe can just astral project yourself today, anyone can prove to themselves.

 

Also my friend wanted me to mention he is haunted by a ghost this very moment. He's living the paranormal. 

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[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Bashar said:

Tom even had experiments of himself talking while out of body, having conversations with another OBEer at the same time while in separate rooms.

I believe that is what they're discussing in this clip.

[Bashar]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I believe that is what they're discussing in this clip.

My friend asks what you think of the ghost. 

 

 

 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

I enjoy John Cleese a lot - and these topics in general.

Fascinating.