Can AI Have Its Own Subjective Experience If Consciousness Is Fundamental?

[Heaven]

With all the respect to human inventions, I don’t see how AI will ever be sentient. 
Biology and evolution are super complex processes. Coding AI is like a joke compared to nature.

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Breakingthewall yeah but if I have a circle of stones with fire in the center of it I also have an organization, which is consciousness. My question is, when becomes the stone circle sentient. the fire integrates informatin from the external world and relates it to a persistent subject that survives through time. WOuld you then say the stone circle with fire in the center is sentient?

I cant see that.

This structure is not consciousness. It's like saying, an atom is a extremely complex structure with gluons and quarks and all the stuff , why if I put some stones there is not an atom? Because it's not an atom😅

Could be done an artificial atom, a stable pattern of the fields of reality that last 10 raised to 30 years totally stable that combine with other atoms creating molecules? Maybe, when we become gods.

Could be done a pattern that is consciousness? Maybe yes , it could do itself in a not very far future 

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

With all the respect to human inventions, I don’t see how AI will ever be sentient. 
Biology and evolution are super complex processes. Coding AI is like a joke compared to nature.

The point is when the code starts to create itself and increase in complexity exponentially. If this can happen, for now it's just a possibility but seems that there is nothing that makes it impossible 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

Just because a chat-bot can't do it doesn't mean computers can't be conscious in the future.

Chat-bots are very primitive compared to what is possible with proper research and understanding.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just because a chat-bot can't do it doesn't mean computers can't be conscious in the future.

Chat-bots are very primitive compared to what is possible with proper research and understanding.

Consciousness is not localized in a brain or computer. No object has consciousness. You won’t find any consciousness inside a computer.

Computers are consciousness but it doesn’t mean they are conscious or have a separate consciousness.

You can build a sophisticated computer, but humans cannot create consciousness. 

“A object (e.g., advanced AI computer) does NOT have consciousness, it IS Consciousness.” —r0ckyreed

Edited 4 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Someone here]

When discussing this topic , I don’t understand how could the body-mind problem or understanding the nature of consciousness existentially be put on hold . It’s essential to this question. It’s the whole key to this question.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

When discussing this topic , I don’t understand how could the body-mind problem or understanding the nature of consciousness existentially be put on hold . It’s essential to this question. It’s the whole key to this question.

Gotta agree with this.

Phenomenology of AI - no reliable basis for claiming it does.

Awareness of itself - no reliable basis for claiming it does.

Does AI experience itself as a subject? 

On the flip side, there isn't evidence for any absence of these capacities.

'I don't know" seems to be the only reasonable stance.