"Follow your passion" never mentions supply and demand

[Thought Art]

@Ramanujan AI will not fuck up your career in IT if you are persistent and flexible 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura Thanks for the advice man! I recommend to people to not be discouraged by the odds of success given that most people fail. The reason they fail is because they don't want it bad enough, and commit obvious amateur's mistakes. They're just dabbling and aren't serious. For me, living out my passion for rap music is the most important thing in my life. So i won't worry much about the fact that most people fail, for the reasons i just cited. 

That's a good attitude. But that is not enough, you also need to pair it with intelligent pragmatic strategy.

Do you have a realistic business plan for success in rap? If not, then that requires your focus. You can't just hope that success befalls you by luck, you need a practical plan to make it happen. Luck is not a strategy.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AION]

Funny how everybody talks about passion but nobody defines what it is. Everybody can have a different definition of it. Nowadays everybody confuses passion for love or the other way around. Passion and love are very different things. For me love is doing things for the sake of the process while passion is doing it for the end result like explained in the book Mastery by Lenard. From exp passion can be very whimsical. If you depend on it you won’t be able to finish stuff. 

[Leo Gura]

Passion means your work is highly meaningful to you.

Imagine the most meaningful work you could possibly do for mankind. That's what I mean.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a good attitude. But that is not enough, you also need to pair it with intelligent pragmatic strategy.

Do you have a realistic business plan for success in rap? If not, then that requires your focus. You can't just hope that success befalls you by luck, you need a practical plan to make it happen. Luck is not a strategy.

My plan was to make reels where i rap, attracting an audience over time, that i could convert into donators on patreon where i could post my raps in advance. I'm also open to other ways of monetization like selling merch,etc...

I'm also planning on learning more about the music industry and how the business and marketing side of things work. 

[Thought Art]

@Majed Do you have songs?

[Majed]

@Thought Art yes https://www.instagram.com/majedtafech0?stkn=NWZycm01czNxc3E3

I need to work on making higher quality music by upgrading my equipment, as well as making more videos where i rap not just audios. I'll do all that in the near future.

Edited 7 hours ago by Majed

[Nemra]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Passion means your work is highly meaningful to you.

Imagine the most meaningful work you could possibly do for mankind. That's what I mean.

Do you regard "highly meaningful to you" as more important than "highly meaningful for mankind"?

What if the work is highly meaningful to me, but not all people find it meaningful?

Edited 7 hours ago by Nemra

[Terell Kirby]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Passion means your work is highly meaningful to you.

that's real stuff

[MaxBlume]

@Leo Gura

Agreed on attitude. Some people just aren't serious and don't want it badly enough.

To be honest, a 9-5 isn't fulfilling to me either. There's so much I want to do in life, and it feels like not living up to my full potential or getting the most out of life.

Attitude also pays off most in entrepreneurship. With your own business, pushing harder actually gets results. With a job, you can max out your skill and still get stuck at the filters: CVs, degrees, someone deciding to hire you. That's where I got stuck.

What I see a lot here is people in a dream world: "I'll make music and it'll work out." Passion alone isn't the point. The question is what value you can provide that people will pay for. Getting good takes time, but it helps to be honest early: once you're good, would you pay for this yourself? If the answer is no, there's nothing wrong with keeping it as a hobby. Not every passion has to make money, and it's often more enjoyable when it doesn't have to.

As you say, "your brain learns by contrast." Looking at what you did differently from others, a few principles stand out to me:

• Get really good at your craft
• Provide as much value as possible
• Listen to the market and make something people actually want or need
• Build a brand and following through content, so selling later is way easier
• Actually monetize your audience
• Stay consistent for years

Marketing was the biggest insight for me. Most skilled people never learn it, so nobody knows they exist. None of this guarantees success, but following these principles raises the odds a lot, and missing one drops them fast. What do you think, is that most of it, or am I missing something?

Also you said you can't be great at something you don't love. But what if it often works the other way too, and you start loving something because you got good at it?

Most people don't enjoy things they're bad at. Research backs this: feeling competent is one of the core drivers of motivation (self-determination theory), and people who believe passion is something you discover tend to quit faster when things get hard (O'Keefe, Dweck & Walton, 2018).

So maybe some people haven't found their passion because they haven't gotten good at anything yet. How do you see it: does passion have to come first, or can it be built through skill?

Edited 7 hours ago by MaxBlume

[MaxBlume]

31 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Do you regard "highly meaningful to you" as more important than "highly meaningful for mankind"?

What if the work is highly meaningful to me, but not all people find it meaningful?

The sweet spot seems to be where both overlap

[Thought Art]

Most of my favourite musicians probably made 0$ from me 

[Ulax]

40 minutes ago, MaxBlume said:

@Leo Gura

Agreed on attitude. Some people just aren't serious and don't want it badly enough.

To be honest, a 9-5 isn't fulfilling to me either. There's so much I want to do in life, and it feels like not living up to my full potential or getting the most out of life.

Attitude also pays off most in entrepreneurship. With your own business, pushing harder actually gets results. With a job, you can max out your skill and still get stuck at the filters: CVs, degrees, someone deciding to hire you. That's where I got stuck.

What I see a lot here is people in a dream world: "I'll make music and it'll work out." Passion alone isn't the point. The question is what value you can provide that people will pay for. Getting good takes time, but it helps to be honest early: once you're good, would you pay for this yourself? If the answer is no, there's nothing wrong with keeping it as a hobby. Not every passion has to make money, and it's often more enjoyable when it doesn't have to.

As you say, "your brain learns by contrast." Looking at what you did differently from others, a few principles stand out to me:

• Get really good at your craft
• Provide as much value as possible
• Listen to the market and make something people actually want or need
• Build a brand and following through content, so selling later is way easier
• Actually monetize your audience
• Stay consistent for years

Marketing was the biggest insight for me. Most skilled people never learn it, so nobody knows they exist. None of this guarantees success, but following these principles raises the odds a lot, and missing one drops them fast. What do you think, is that most of it, or am I missing something?

Also you said you can't be great at something you don't love. But what if it often works the other way too, and you start loving something because you got good at it?

Most people don't enjoy things they're bad at. Research backs this: feeling competent is one of the core drivers of motivation (self-determination theory), and people who believe passion is something you discover tend to quit faster when things get hard (O'Keefe, Dweck & Walton, 2018).

So maybe some people haven't found their passion because they haven't gotten good at anything yet. How do you see it: does passion have to come first, or can it be built through skill?

W self-determination

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, MaxBlume said:

The sweet spot seems to be where both overlap

Why should most people find my work the most meaningful thing?

Perhaps both could overlap, but I don't really care if most people don't find my work the most meaningful, unless I want to earn more money.

I would like it if some people found my work uniquely meaningful to them.

How helpful my work actually is to all mankind is another thing.

For me currently, the smart way would be doing some work so then I could explore other avenues later. I quite enjoy doing different stuff that's not related, and I'm still open to discovering new passions.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nemra

[Lyubov]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Look, all success assumes intelligence. You can't succeed in anything if you do it stupidly. You actually need to have a valid and accurate model of how the world works, how business works, how people work, how capitalism works, etc.

If you have delusional or fantastical ideas of how that stuff works, you can work for 20 years and get nowhere.

The key to success is knowing what you're doing. If you can't figure out how stuff works, then you need to work for a boss who will train you.

Not everyone is cut out to lead. If you are not good at leading, become a good follower of a good leader.

If you want to get good a rap, you need a very accurate understanding of how the music industry works, the business side of it. You need to not just be a good rapper, you need to be businessman. Learn rapping, learn business, learn marketing, learn how to be a celebrity, etc.

Yes this is what I always am telling people. We get clouded by our emotions. Flow is earned. A lot of people apply flow, success, whatever you wish to call it as something that is this secret to unlock but to be honest there aren’t really secrets. It’s just ceasing all misconceptions and illusions and being able to deeply observe the world. It becomes usually very apparent the way things are, a sense of clarity and clear reasoning why x should be done or why y means sitting still and just waiting. The teachings are all very simple and in any moment it is exceptionally clear what to do. We often times get clouded by expectations, fears and wishing things were different. Patience is a virtue when it comes to shaping your life in a way where it leads to what you would like to see manifested. 

I spent a lot of my time in my 20s with ideals and expectations. I sometimes wish I had the wisdom I do now. I would of taken a number of great leaps and risks at times when it was appropriate and not wasted my effort when I was consistently marching blind putting tremendous effort into things that weren’t helping me, but of all the mistakes I would say delusions like what the OP seems to have discovered kept me in a state of inaction. Success (what I call flow, since Wu Wei flow usually unfolds as success and perfection in all one experiences) is earned. It’s not something you simply meditate your way to, although this practice can help. It’s a balance off inner stillness and ceasing illusions and expectations but then turning the lens outward and clearly looking at the world and clearly reasoning why a particular action should be taken at any particular moment, cutting through whatever inner resistance arises. 

I wasted so much money and time in my 20s thinking if I just want something and hope for it it will come to me. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Lyubov

[Olaf]

@Leo Gura but that doesn't always mean passion, for example the most meaningful work of Jesus was to be hanged on a cross and die, I don't think that is the same as passion, nobody is passionate about dying on a cross. You can be super passionate about playing the guitar without it contributing to anyone's life, so I don't see these as one and the same.

Edited 3 hours ago by Olaf

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Nemra said:

Do you regard "highly meaningful to you" as more important than "highly meaningful for mankind"?

What if the work is highly meaningful to me, but not all people find it meaningful?

It needs to be meaningful to you.

2 hours ago, Olaf said:

@Leo Gura but that doesn't always mean passion, for example the most meaningful work of Jesus was to be hanged on a cross and die, I don't think that is the same as passion

Dude, his passion was for teaching God. Not the cross.

This is like you saying that Kobe Bryant's passion was helicopter crashes.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, Jesus’ passion was for teaching God. Not the cross.

This is like you saying that Kobe Bryant's passion was helicopter crashes.

 

Edited 48 minutes ago by Yimpa

[AION]

that is not the definition of passion

passion is just appetite (feeling) for whatever, work, sex, hobby etc. It is fleeting.

love is not appetitde, it is more a devotion. Solid.

I think it is important to stay true to definitions of words otherwise everything becomes a word salad.

Having passion for gf is fun until the emotion of passion goes away. The only reason y ou stay together after passion goes is love. The same is with life purpose. 

Edited 56 minutes ago by AION

[Leo Gura]

@AION What do you think "follow your passion" means? Following your hunger to pizza?

Edited 40 minutes ago by Leo Gura