Why I Think Magic Is Real

[Joseph Maynor]

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Joseph Maynor Careful, or we will collectively force-choke you

Oh wow, I guess this is better than being called a demon.  

[Wilhelm44]

Okay, so this is not a yogi flying in the Himalayas, but how the hell do you jump up in the air while sitting cross legged. 

I think they are propelled by a burst of kundalini shooting out of the arse 

[Leo Gura]

48 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Oh wow, I guess this is better than being called a demon.  

We can send a demon to your house if you prefer.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

 

Spiritual bullshit at its finest.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

If I want to manifest something with magic - I think about it. Put a lot of energy into that thought. Then I plan and align my thoughts with an action that naturally occurs for me because I am integrous. Integrity is the connective force.

If I want to levitate a cup. I think "reach out and pick up the cup". I reach out and pick up the cup. 

That's how God gets it done

Magic is probably the "action" gap between thought <----> happening you aren't aware of. You just missed the action following the thought and labelled the gap "Magic"

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We can send a demon to your house if you prefer.

It's been done before lol.  

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Maybe I misunderstood your notion of solipsism then.

Hahahahahaha

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Jehovah increases]

Consciousness is magic.

[Nemra]

Belief within its own boundaries is magical. If you believe that the earth is flat, it will seem flat to you. If you believe that reality is physical, it will seem physical to you.

However, beliefs cannot directly control things that are beyond beliefs. You don't even know that it will affect indirectly.

Belief is a lower order imagination because it doesn't have direct and total control over everything, and an unconscious self-validating mechanism that is built on assumptions which makes you think that the truth (assumption) is self-evident.

Assuming that believing will change things that don't depend on believing is an epistemological trap.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Mellowmarsh]

 Two hot people scorching the bed sheets is where the real magic happens, in my humble opinion.

 

disclaimer: I’m not saying it’s magical for everyone. 

[eos_nyxia]

Ok. I thought I would try to explain a few things, but I don’t really know where to start. I thought it might potentially be of interest or benefit to someone for me to speak as directly as I can about how I know this work rather than speaking circles around it, as has tended to be my habit, mostly because I had trained myself to be very secretive over the years. So again:

I practiced very seriously (to the point where it was essentially it took the energy of a full time job) for 20ish years on and off, though I did not exactly start 100% by conscious choice at the time. Currently I am not practicing because the price tag is not worth it "for myself", not right now anyway. 

 

Some Thoughts in No Particular Order about Manifestation/ general ESP usage:

1) Manifestation needs to work with your individual psyche, and most often responds to both what you truly believe is possible and what you’re open to, but also what you truly believe is justified. For example, if you don’t really believe that you NEED something, but there is a sense that you would like to be “selfish” and ask for things for yourself (but your ethics matter to you on any level), then you will likely not even have the proper focus to get what you need done anyway.  You will likely self-sabatoge in one way or another.

2) Other qualifications: If you are a very conceptual person, as in, that is how you prefer to interface with reality a vast majority of the time, you aren’t a great match for this sort of work. You have to learn to put your mind/ yourself down, even just temporarily. (Note: this has costs, as all psychological compartmentalization tends to over time.) This is what actually helps IMO: Pure feeling and desire, the ability to focus on a single thing wholeheartedly without deflecting in the quality and intensity of your focus, having a decent pool of raw energy to draw from (particularly if you want to one and done it), is much more useful. The only thing that conceptualization should be used for is in conjunction with intuition to build proper habits and potentially protocols for efficiency of future like-tasks. The mind's abilities should not be used for speculating or generating doubt, or entertaining the doubt of others. This is not the space for doubt, not while you’re doing that work especially. 

3) Also, if you don’t marry this work with the qualities which are most often associated with the 3rd eye and crown chakras, what you’re doing is inevitably going to be quite unclean in a karmic sense, and as a result you will likely cause 100 more problems for each problem you’re trying to solve “selfishly”. Best possible outcome: inconveniencing yourself    Worst possible outcomes: doing all sorts of evil shit, whether intentionally or not, likely cumulating in some kind of self-implosion either sooner or later due to the sheer psychic weight of it all. If this is what you’re going to do ("get yours"), it’s both more direct and “cleaner” to try to get what you want directly through the world through normal, physical means. Also, it takes WAY less energy in most cases.  It's really... not worth the trouble in many cases.    

4) As noted before in various manifestation circles: the intention of "want" so often carries in it the seed of lack. If you could see yourself clearly (which is basically remote viewing yourself lol), you would see clearly and without doubt IF this truly the case. The process of having a want/ desire, going through whatever negotiation process you go through with yourself in your mind/ emotions to make sense of it and orientate yourself in relation to it psychologically, and then taking explicit action outside..... ok, ask yourself, do you get meaning from this? On some level, do you know if this is a process that you must go through psychological, because a deeper, human desire is to experience growth through both EFFORT and TIME? This alone can be a sabotaging factor. Your "higher self"/"God"/ You, so, so very often, truly and deeply, desires to put in the effort. If you get the thing for "free" (note... absolutely nothing in Existence is free exactly), will your heart be at ease? Will you experience fulfillment? If no, if you feel it is cheap and unjustified, you will probably self-sabotage. 

5) It is a strong mistake to conflate all sorts of manifestation/ magick with each other, one way to look at it is “hard” vs. “soft”. For example, changing things in your immediate physical reality in a way right now (“hard”) vs. softer skills (in this category I’ll put everything from remote viewing, remote influencing, weather control, reading what New Agers call the Akashic Records, etc., so both "receptive" and "active" skills). 

6) Remote Influencing: Actually, people who do not at all believe in remote influencing are the easiest to influence. They have no/ few defenses because they think they're invincible and unwatchable essentially, lol. You think you’re invincible because your Sight is non-existent or extremely limited. Or you think “you” are the only one responding to life happening (rather than constantly and subtly being influenced by everything and everyone around you, you have that vulnerability unless you really are that closed off, which is a sort of psychic/ psychological deadness). Ironically, people who are very superstitious are usually easy to deal with as well, because they are ruled by paranoia. It's just another group of people who can’t see clearly and who act predictably. By the way, this also applies to dealing with people IRL. People who think they have no real deficiencies that they ought to deal with tend to be... a bit simple. They think they are strong, but a very direct, usually unguarded way into someone’s psyche (as in, to get under their skin) is often advertising itself through their shadow side.

7) You actually CAN remote view whole psyches or what people call "souls" proper, including what is not visible on the surface at all, or barely visible, in order to understand it. To understand people. Obviously you need to have an understanding and or way/ ability to grasp what this means (a sort of non-visual imaging, of which there are many sorts in the non-physical, subtler realities), but this is what getting in touch with a “higher power” is for, isn’t it? The saddest thing about this all to me (the state of ESP in humanity) is that your individual imagination actually is the limit here. What a whole lot of wasted potential for humanity IMO.  (ADDED: the thing that is missed the most? The actual, real potential to see whole beings in their entirety. That base human desire we have to be fully seen and heard. It could be fulfilled... by actual humans.) 

Edited 38 minutes ago by eos_nyxia

[Nemra]

What is magical is that, because the whole field is infinite, there is a part of it that is exactly as you imagine it to be—regardless of how restricted your imagination is, which I think serves as an interesting proof that reality itself is absolute imagination.

Your restricted imagination maps perfectly onto specific parts of the whole field, meaning the entire field is composed of different orders of imagination.

The thing is that you cannot alter higher orders of this field if your current state remains restricted from accessing them.

[eos_nyxia]

Something I consider pretty unremarkable, so I’m willing to talk about it directly --- manifesting money. I actually used myself as an example above (for point 1). If I cannot bring myself to wholeheartedly DECREE (because that is actually how you have to work) a thing, I do not expect it to happen. In fact, every time I did it, I could tell if I had "enough" in me to actually get the job done beforehand. I very quickly learned how not to waste my time and energy if my intention was insufficient.

 

-procedure: asking "the universe"/ Myself directly for money. Specifying the general means and conditions under which I'm willing to receive it.

-where it actually came from: various relatives who were going to give me money anyway, but they weren’t likely going to give it to me for at least 5-10+ years). Very short term work if I was feeling icky about "asking" for money. 

-how much: anywhere from 2000-3000 to up to 20000 CAD. 

-how many times I’ve done this: 3-4 times.

-why I asked: specifically because I was sorting out a lot of personal problems in batches, and to have both the raw sensitivity for sight and influence as well as self-training to be able to selectively turn up certain "dials", it is most often a huge burden in terms of "normal functioning". Things like getting normal sleep, having a job/ career, having lots of good relationships in your life, and much more.  Essentially me doing this was demanding very basic payment for this to continue on a little longer or else I could not afford to "fund" my rather basic at the time lifestyle. I put in an astronomical amount of time, energy, and blood to accomplish a specific set of works. 

This was just... a little money. Hardly """free""" at all, but in service of performing a service I was capable of performing. 

 

Examples of Ethics/ Principles I won’t break (not extensive by any means):

1) yapping about an important work in progress ((1) other people’s doubt can leak into your open psyche, and you will be weaker from mirroring their state. If you think you’re invulnerable to this sort of thing, you’re either not sensitive/ perceptive to be a decent psychic (and frankly, not likely to be able to use any ESP whatsoever), or you’re... gifted but with no wisdom/discernment. In that case, you're a danger to everyone, including yourself)

2) proving myself to skeptics, especially for money (this is not what this stuff is for IMO-- doing a little jester dance for capitalism, and for what actual positive benefit for anyone involved? How is the skeptic believing in you any benefit for his/her highest well being? This isn’t the era of Jesus; we are not living in the age of miracles and not going back in that direction with how our technology has developed, so why not save one’s time and energy for the tasks that actually matter rather than feeling validated so that you feel vindicated and maybe not like crazies? Learn to think like the "higher self"/"God"...)

3) asking for and taking more than I need to accomplish certain goals within a certain time frame (I don’t have the emotional makeup to feel at peace being materially greedy, I guess. For me, that is a psychological dead weight to live with.)

4) getting bored/ doubtful with myself (on the extremely rare occasions that I have as a teen), proving myself to myself that I can do it, just to prove it with myself because I don't feel secure. And do what with that exactly? Yap about it to other people? Pat myself on my back and have others pat me on the back? (it most often does not hit most or all the above metrics which I mentioned in order for magick/ manifestation to be successful, so it is self-sabotage for future work)

5) principle of inefficiency: can you really convince yourself, wholeheartedly and completely, that what you’re doing is actually necessary? I mean ask yourself and BE HONEST lol, can you REALLY? (again, you must commit yourself with something beyond “I want” and “it would be nice if...” Sorry this does not move mountains.)

 

An Example of things I had needed to concern myself with (also not comprehensive by any means):

1) taking on more karmic burden or “psychic debt” than I can actually handle due to being excessively open psychologically/ emotionally/ energetically, and also having my own personal life baggage to sort through (psychological sustainability)

2) unaccounted for psychic residue from the previous issue

3) not knowing the present and future cause and effects of things thoroughly enough, both in general and a result of your potential direct future actions 

4) not knowing myself and my own motivations and psyche well enough (general issue)

5) not having a developed enough sense of ethics and guiding principles (which is what you see the result of here)

6) if and when my thoughts and actions might potentially cause harm, unintentional or not (I follow a “leave no trace”, or cause as little damage as possible)

7) and whole lot of other potential psychological weaknesses including making excuses for myself, or any kind of willful blindness. Just no. 

 

Anyway, I'm sure you can figure out why some people who claim siddhis (assuming they have it), refuse to teach it. The amount of Sight you need to manage things properly, lol. 

Edited 13 minutes ago by eos_nyxia

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I feel like you guys are overthinking this.

The magic begins between the sheets. Or over a car bonnet. How else did this conception conceive itself into being.

 

How does that happen 😂 Hmm, You, you made it happen, you’re magical. Lol  Can you feel the magic?