Most Dating Books/Teachers Aren't Exceptional

[Jirh]

14 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I have trained my brain to view them as children.

Maybe you should undo that training.

[Miguel1]

@Jirh I don’t see a reason for us to continue our conversation. There are much higher things to life than just following your taste buds unconsciously.

[Jirh]

20 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

There are much higher things to life than just following your taste buds unconsciously.

I agree. Never implied otherwise.

I'm just saying maybe you should examine that "holier than thou" attitude of yours, and in effect withdraw the judgement about younger people.

You don't hate your childhood to become an adult. You integrate it. It becomes part of who you are, not the shadow you're scared of.

[Miguel1]

@Jirh It’s interesting when some of you think that I have a ”holier than thou” attitude. Becareful it is not a defence mechanism from you, a projection perhaps.

I used to have no problems seducing girls in relationships to cheat on their partners with me, and even got excited from it. I had many rationalizations for it,

Nowadays, if I find out that a girl is even willing to entertain such an idea, I get turned off.

Just because I have genuinely matured, does not mean that I have a bigger ego. It is ridiculous that this is even such a big problem with some of you guys.

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Miguel1 said:

@Jirh It’s interesting when some of you think that I have a ”holier than thou” attitude. Becareful it is not a defence mechanism from you, a projection perhaps.

Why would it be a defence mechanism? I don't even know you or care about you per se. I'm just saying what I'm seeing.

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I used to have no problems seducing girls in relationships to cheat on their partners with me, and even got excited from it. I had many rationalizations for it,

Lack of integrity is not immaturity. It's corruption.

A child can have integrity, and an adult can be corrupt. The two are not mutually exclusive categories, they can overlap or exist separately. Immaturity doesn't guarantee corruption, and corruption doesn't require immaturity. Childhood is a phase of development, corruption is a choice.

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Just because I have genuinely matured, does not mean that I have a bigger ego. It is ridiculous that this is even such a big problem with some of you guys.

You were a corrupt child, and now you're no longer a child.

Saying "I was young, I'm more mature now." does not magically absolve you and cure you from corruption. Rather, it distracts from the actual work. You may be less corrupt now, but you can't call your past corruption immaturity just because it happened in parallel with it.

Edited 9 hours ago by Jirh

[Joseph Maynor]

14 hours ago, Emerald said:

As a woman, I know that I can meet someone and know their deal in about 5 minutes because I'm picking on so much information about who that person is just in the tone of his voice or tiny micro-expressions on his face. And I can feel if he's a good fit or isn't. And I can feel how secure or insecure he is. 

Hi @Emerald  I have this as a man.  

[Ulax]

@Miguel1 I get why people think that you have a holier than thou attitude.

But most of what you say just comes from going through a rare process in getting very good at pickup, and then transcending orange. I've had some friends in pickup who had a similar journey, so to me I can see the authenticity there. And I respect you for that. But to some it will seem like pandering. Which is understandable because that is a dating strategy of many men nowadays. Though, generally that accusation is unfair to you, and just projection.

That said, you are over estimating how mature some of the women on this forum are, and seem to be overly-bias to supporting them. Its better to just treat everyone with a basic level of respect, and then call out bs or appreciate as is actually deserved. On this thread, you've engaged in a sort of benevolent sexism at various points.

[Jirh]

@Ulax

You've somehow found a way to upset a wide variety of people with different opinions in one post 😂

[Ulax]

36 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Ulax

You've somehow found a way to upset a wide variety of people with different opinions in one post 😂

Glad you see me as fair and impartial 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

That said, you are over estimating how mature some of the women on this forum are, and seem to be overly-bias to supporting them. Its better to just treat everyone with a basic level of respect, and then call out bs or appreciate as is actually deserved. On this thread, you've engaged in a sort of benevolent sexism at various points.

I see Miguel as being one of the few to want to simply hear what the women of the forum think/have to say. Earnestly want to hear and try to understand. Not try to listen then prove a point. 

Others - including yourself - seem to want to tell us how it is. Just comes across that way.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Valach]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I see Miguel as being one of the few to want to simply hear what the women of the forum think/have to say. Earnestly want to hear and try to understand. Not try to listen then prove a point. 

Others - including yourself - seem to want to tell us how it is. Just comes across that way.

That is what pickup conditioning does to guys.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Valach it's interesting because when you think on it - it's blocking all potential for genuine connection ... 😢

[Valach]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Valach it's interesting because when you think on it - it's blocking all potential for genuine connection ... 😢

Of course. Pickup at its core is performative paradigm. How could you connect from that.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Fear of ones own desire and it's control. Fear of the women who represent that loss of control & desire.

Inability to understand the women due to conditioning and beliefs. Fear of what is misunderstood.

Truly listening is the way to connect. Connection is the source of all goodness ❤️

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I'll add @Leo Gura popped in earlier to truly listen also. Notice Leo also didn't just jump in and try to tell anyone. He didn't make judgements or assessments of character. He just asked and took the information to integrate it and assess.

Which I think carries a lot of weight. Many philosophers and masters of the past had extremely sexist views. Amazing spiritual insights and masters who were totally backwards in the domain of sex, desire and women. 

Even today this issue persists - awakening cannot overcome biology and incentive structures.

Maybe we, as a community behind Leo, can break that theme of sexism that threads through the masters of the past.

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I see Miguel as being one of the few to want to simply hear what the women of the forum think/have to say. Earnestly want to hear and try to understand. Not try to listen then prior a point. 

Others - including yourself - seem to want to tell us how it is. Just comes across that way.

Seem to want to tell us how it is?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Ulax said:

Seem to want to tell us how it is?

Yes. Something to consider at length if it is not obvious.

[Ulax]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes. Something to consider at length if it is not obvious.

I'm genuinely confused