Most Dating Books/Teachers Aren't Exceptional

[BlessedLion]

17 hours ago, Ulax said:

'm interested about this David Deangelo course too. Please could you share the name.

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Fuck it imma nerd out some more on Todd stuff hahaha.

One of the funniest things I learnt from him is role framing and frame racing. He mentions them without giving them a certain name, so i call them that. But essentially, there are high-value conversational roles like teaser, decider, objector, evaluator, obstacle-maker, leader. And because pre-framing (setting a frame) is much easier than reframing (changing an existing frame) you basically want to get there first. 

So, you can be the one to say you want to take things slow (objection-maker), you can be the one evaluating her, you can be the objectioner (saying something like "Im not sure you and i are compatible)

Yeah just shared it above, it's fucking solid ^

 

Interesting about Todd, I have tried some of his stuff and his courses but it never really landed deeply for me. It sounds interesting though. Maybe i'll revisit it 

[BlessedLion]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Attractive to whom tho? Maybe certain men can attract wider range of women, but it doesn’t mean the woman you want is within that, so better focus on what you wanna attract specifically, rather than  “women” in some general sense. 

Just a thought for now, maybe you didn’t even mean that, but still, someone else might 

Absolutely. This is an important nuance, and does apply to what I was saying about developmental levels of attraction. 

 

Most Pick up material is tailored to attracting Stage Orange women, but if you try that shit with Stage Green women they will almost immediately reject it. I have spent a lot of time in both types of communities, and this distinction is very fascinating. So yeah if you want a Stage Green or above woman, you have to play a different game, they are more intelligent and can see through the game-playing and posturing easier.

 

Which is why i think the ultimate game is just develop yourself, have a life purpose, be strong, and have a strong foundation around you, then you naturally act confident and high status and loving because you just are.

[PenguinPablo]

Pickup is so fucking shallow and should be thrown in the trash unless you want to waste years trying to use inauthentic strategies which will rob you of the ability to authentically connect to other humans.

[aurum]

56 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I am also really intruiged by the "developmental levels of attraction" , I think that attraction grows through stages and just from talking to women i find that some of them have a "Stage Orange" attraction development and some have "Stage Green" attraction development. It's really fascinating. Women in Stage Green have almost no interest in what typical Stage Orange women find attractive and in fact are quite repulsed by it. I find this so fascinating

I think that's definitely a real pattern. People of similar developmental levels will naturally come together.

That said, I find attraction is also orthogonal to developmental levels. You don't need a perfect match in developmental for attraction to occur. You can easily be attracted to someone way below or even above your level.

You can even be attracted to someone you find morally evil.

[Miguel1]

57 minutes ago, aurum said:

I think that's definitely a real pattern. People of similar developmental levels will naturally come together.

That said, I find attraction is also orthogonal to developmental levels. You don't need a perfect match in developmental for attraction to occur. You can easily be attracted to someone way below or even above your level.

You can even be attracted to someone you find morally evil.

I would say on the surface, at a quick look. But when you allow yourself to breathe and to ground yourself, then someone morally evil loses their charm, if you yourself are more mature.

At least this is my experience.

Edited 2 hours ago by Miguel1

[Leo Gura]

Eben Pagan's dating courses are top notch.

It's not pickup, but more general dating advice.

For pickup, old RSD is mostly all you need.

[Raze]

I heard David Deangelo said not to smile in one of his courses, that’s terrible advice. 

[Miguel1]

16 minutes ago, Raze said:

I heard David Deangelo said not to smile in one of his courses, that’s terrible advice. 

Probably older ones. Sounds like some toxic pickup technique.

[Miguel1]

2 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Absolutely. This is an important nuance, and does apply to what I was saying about developmental levels of attraction. 

Most Pick up material is tailored to attracting Stage Orange women, but if you try that shit with Stage Green women they will almost immediately reject it. I have spent a lot of time in both types of communities, and this distinction is very fascinating. So yeah if you want a Stage Green or above woman, you have to play a different game, they are more intelligent and can see through the game-playing and posturing easier.

Which is why i think the ultimate game is just develop yourself, have a life purpose, be strong, and have a strong foundation around you, then you naturally act confident and high status and loving because you just are.

Thanks guys for confirming what I already understood quite deeply from my own experience.

Issue is that it takes time to develop into proper stage green. So as a young man, who is drawn to younger people than I am, it is not easy to find such maturity, especially in the general mainstream spaces.

[Sugarcoat]

29 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Thanks guys for confirming what I already understood quite deeply from my own experience.

Issue is that it takes time to develop into proper stage green. So as a young man, who is drawn to younger people than I am, it is not easy to find such maturity, especially in the general mainstream spaces.

😂

Edited 33 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

Why do what a YouTuber says and not follow your own desire/instinct

I believe that everything that needs to be done is already within us; there are just fears/cognitive dissonances that are blocking us.

 

If you try to do things procedurally you will become hateful/disdainful towards women, saying that they "aren't logical," etc.

It is not masculine it is neuro-atypical or neurotic depending on the point of view; and men who function like this are actually more fragile than average since these mechanisms are a response to a strong castration anxiety.