Easiest "pick up" lines, share your own

[Ulax]

3 minutes ago, Valach said:

You go on a date with a woman you are attracted to. There are 2 fictional outcomes:

1. You get the "success", be it by her getting physical with you or wanting to go on another date or wanting to have a relationship. Whatever you are after in the moment.

2. You express yourself fully. But you get rejected. Perhaps in painful way.

Which outcome would you consider as bigger success?

Ok it seems you want to talk about the new topic. I am interested in it now too, so let's see where this goes.

Right now, with only those two choices, I would pick 1.

[Miguel1]

7 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I get you will have based that answer on experience. So i value what you say.

But I would struggle with how actionable that sequence is.

Yes, at the same time, as you said, you have Todd’s program but not my suggested style’s program. So perhap’s that’s why.

But perhaps it’s simply because people are wired differently. I would be lying if I said that one approach works best for everyone.

As a way to measure how efficient your approach is, how much are you going out / approaching girls, and what are your results in terms of getting dates and sex?

Edited 3 hours ago by Miguel1

[Valach]

1 minute ago, Ulax said:

Ok it seems you want to talk about the new topic. I am interested in it now too, so let's see where this goes.

Right now, with only those two choices, I would pick 1.

So that is kind of the PUA (and to large degree the mainstream stage orange society) paradigm. There is nothing wrong with that. But that is why I was pointing out that it is limited. By any means go through the journey and exhaust it. I have just found it quite limiting and not fullfilling at all. 

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, Valach said:

So that is kind of the PUA (and to large degree the mainstream stage orange society) paradigm. There is nothing wrong with that. But that is why I was pointing out that it is limited. By any means go through the journey and exhaust it. I have just found it quite limiting and not fullfilling at all. 

I appreciate that in you.

And yes, sounds like Ulax needs to do that and exhaust it out of his system. I remember at my peak, doing it so much that it turned repetitive, boring and mechnical to the point I wasn’t even feeling her sexually anymore, as it was just ”work” for me.

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, Valach said:

So that is kind of the PUA (and to large degree the mainstream stage orange society) paradigm. There is nothing wrong with that. But that is why I was pointing out that it is limited. By any means go through the journey and exhaust it. I have just found it quite limiting and not fullfilling at all. 

Fairs. If you had an unfulfilling experience with it then i get why you find it limiting. I actually have a similar view that it is very stage-orange and is a journey to be eventually transcended. A big part of my motivation is to integrate more stage orange.

But without integrating stage orange things like success with women, it will eat at us and limits in many other ways. So to me it is either avoid it and have some benefits but ultimately make yourself stuck, or go through the journey and then when the lessons and experiences have been earnt you choose to transcend it.

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Spiral said:

@Ulax Perhaps, I am however not in the business of charming my way into her pants. That’s too much work in my opinion. I think you can tell pretty much immediately if she’s interested and while you can make her interested it’s easier to just move on immediately if she’s not.

Although I might just be spoiled based on my looks

i get the too much work thing. I can see why that would be a turn off.

From using that frame, I've seen how it really make a girl WAY more interested compared to not using it. So from an effectiveness stand point it can have a powerful effect on a girl's interest in you.

[Ulax]

17 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Yes, at the same time, as you said, you have Todd’s program but not my suggested style’s program. So perhap’s that’s why.

But perhaps it’s simply because people are wired differently. I would be lying if I said that one approach works best for everyone.

As a way to measure how efficient your approach is, how much are you going out / approaching girls, and what are your results in terms of getting dates and sex?

That is a fair point. In some ways to me game is a hobby, where in I mostly enjoy learning what works and why. That suits Todd's style.

I am doing only online atm. And a few dates but no sex. So I can't speak on efficiency.

Online game has been an interesting adventure though. I had basically a massive setback in life around dropping out of university and many things fell apart for me. My in person game also was so much effort for little reward. And found it quite damaged my self-concept. Also my motivational circuits really shut down around game because of the loss of confidence from these. So I stopped irl game. Anyhow, after stopping i would always get annoyed/ inspired at myself and try to motivate myself to try game again but I found I could not do so. However, i watched a video of doing what you could do rather than should do, and decided I could give online game a try. So, I started going on tiktok lives and talking to the girl streamers to practice and also to learn the steps of the todd model. Because although laughable it was better than nothing lol. Anyhow, I first started with my previous idea of self-amusement which didnt do much. But then I found I could actually really start to have an impact there with all these todd tactics, despite these girls getting hit on all the time. It was pretty exciting. 99% of them live too far away but it has shown me there is at least some added effectiveness of the techniques online. Of course this is very far away from irl cold approach but some of the same key dynamics apply.