Do Women Prefer Long Hair or Short Hair on Men?

[Zenterus]

Just now, LordFall said:

@Zenterus Yeah I know I'm huge on social circle game and social media to scale your impact. I host events in different cities across Canada and soon to scale to the US later in the year. Power, money and status are much more important to dating than looks. Looks matter as well. I know I've tried the difference. When I looksmaxxed I've had girls come to me in the club saying wow you're like really hot and when I don't it doesn't happen.

All this stuff about not worrying about being attractive and focusing on yourself has a solid foundation of reality  on it and layers of cope on top of it in my experience. Most guys I see saying they've evolved past game have mostly given up with no results to show for it or settled in a mediocre relationship. If you're different feel free to share. I don't really value opinions or philosophies these days, even my own, only results. 

From your paradigm it sure sounds like cope.

When a fish hears the bird can breathe outside of the water, it thinks its delusional until it evolves to be able to do so as well or bares witness to it.

[bazera]

13 hours ago, LordFall said:

t's not that expensive and only takes like 6 months to heal and regrow to more than you had before. Also harmless.

Finasteride famously has a wierd side-effect in some men that it affects libido and erections poorly.

Would you take that risk?

You'll need finasteride to be able to maintain transplanted hair as well.

 

[Valach]

1 hour ago, Zenterus said:

@LordFall Brother, what I'm about to say is gonna come across as if I'm talking down on you when I'm really not -- there's a lot that i respect about you based on what you shared about your dating journey.

However, I've been where you're mentally and while it is true that working on your looks does get you better initial attraction online and in-person -- getting a hair transplant, for example -- it actually hinders your power long term because you're building an identity that's fueled by how attractive you are to women, which is weak at its core.

One of my biggest insights during my journey to transcend pickup was the fact that you cannot be at your most powerful as a man when you're valuing how attractive you are to women. The most powerful, attractive men are men who dont give a fuck and are, therefore, more unique, polarizing and cultivated as individuals because they cultivated their own personality according to THEIR values, interests, sense of humour, etc.

This is what makes a leader. A man who is so unique, authentic and resolute in his being that some might think he is weird, or unrelatable, but others are completely mesmerized by him.

You cannot be a man like that when caring about "how attractive you are" to women.

Yes, work on yourself. Have basic hygiene. Groom yourself. Make some money so that you're not homeless, etc etc. Take care of the very basics, but after that, just cultivate the experience of YOU.

You cannot do that while caring how women perceive you. This is the type of "game" you develop after you transcend the desire to game or attract women or have a strong desire for sex.

It's the ultimate frame control. You're one of one.

You do this right and your biggest problem will be that communities and people start forming around you to such an extend that it resembles a cult.

 

 

Fascinating. I attended a healing retreat on attachment and almost word-to-word this is what the "therapist" said on the retreat. He did not view it in the sense of attraction since he is not involved in PUA but this is how he described a "healthy person". Interestingly, he also told me that he numerously saw that as people healed through their inner work, their sex drives dropped - often massively. 

[Zenterus]

7 minutes ago, Valach said:

Fascinating. I attended a healing retreat on attachment and almost word-to-word this is what the "therapist" said on the retreat. He did not view it in the sense of attraction since he is not involved in PUA but this is how he described a "healthy person". Interestingly, he also told me that he numerously saw that as people healed through their inner work, their sex drives dropped - often massively. 

Very interesting point around sex drive because I actually do feel less horny now than I did when i was deep in pickup.

In fact, I know somebody who also used to be obsessed with PUA and transcended it years before me and he also mentioned that when a person is wounded, their body tricks itself into feeling more lustful than it actually is in order to motivate itself to go out and get the validation that the subconscious wound craves.

In retrospect, I can totally see that being the case.

Edited 5 hours ago by Zenterus

[Valach]

13 minutes ago, Zenterus said:

Very interesting point around sex drive because I actually do feel less horny now than I did when i was deep in pickup.

In fact, I know somebody who also used to be obsessed with PUA and transcended it years before me and he also mentioned that when a person is wounded, their body tricks itself into feeling more lustful than it actually is in order to motivate itself to go out and get the validation that the subconscious wound craves.

In retrospect, I can totally see that being the case.

Yeah, that is what the guy saud. The inner wound creates a general sense of anxiety and the feeling of not being safe. One of the ways to cope with this is to get the validation of another human being, the more attractive this human being is, the better soothing this wound gets. Once you began to heal this wound you might find yourself with way lower sex drive. But I am still on the journey - though I totally can say that sex is way more psychological than physical.

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, Zenterus said:

From your paradigm it sure sounds like cope.

When a fish hears the bird can breathe outside of the water, it thinks its delusional until it evolves to be able to do so as well or bares witness to it.

Do you have concrete results you can share with us to prove your point? To use your analogy to me it sounds like we're a bunch of fishes discussing theories and some fishes claim they can breathe out of the water and the rules don't apply to them. When I go to check up on them I pop my head out of the water I smell a lot of rotting fish and not many have been able to bring back any leafs from the ground they claim to be able to reach.

I'll keep building my Atlantis until I see concrete results that invalidate my strategies that have been proved many times to work. 

Bro trying to convince gullible fish he's a bird lol 

@bazera Good to know. There's new options now you can get your genome and use it to see how you specifically react to certain medications and protocols. I'll do that. I see some influencers like Liam Ottley starting to get into AI/genome based biohacking, pretty cool stuff. I need my erections to be powerful no way I'm becoming captain half chub. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Zenterus]

@LordFall I hate having to qualify myself but fuck it, seems like your inquiry is sincere so lets talk about it.

Bro, I have 10 years of pickup experience. That includes social circle, cold approach and online dating.

I don't know my exact body count, but it's definitely up there, and I've attracted GORGEOUS women of all kinds of archetypes (ice queens, local mini instagram celebrities, goth baddies, submissives, etc, of all ages and ethnicities).

I could pull at least one new girl home a week if I cared to do so. And when I used to actively do social circle game, I wasnt attracting people who were interested in business or some other common interest. No. My entire social circle revolved around ME. I was the leader and everyone just wanted to spend time with me because I was providing the most value emotionally, confidence-wise, validation-wise, etc.

I understand attraction VERY VERY well and I've gone through every phase in the journey -- such as the technical stage, the strategic stage, the hunting stage, the farming stage, the natural stage, the letting go stage etc.

When I say the things that I say, I'm saying them from an experienced perspective. Im not some dude thats just sitting in this forum theorizing this stuff with you guys. The reason it took me so many years to quit PUA was because I was out here fucking, consistently, hot girls on a weekly/monthly basis and letting that type of dopamine source go was not an easy task.

In fact, it would have been very easy if I wasn't getting anywhere with it.

I'm not discrediting your strategies, dude. You misunderstand me. Clearly they work. But what I am saying is that your current journey isn't leading you towards optimizing your strategies and your approach further. The journey is leading you towards realizing that all this work is fucking pointless, all the optimizing is pointless, the strategies are pointless because what you're pursuing is actually yourself THROUGH the women and until you skip the middle man, you'll never be fully fulfilled nor at your most powerful. 

It's very common that when I go out, girls are constantly staring at me, or giving me signals to approach, or inviting me to hang out with them, or escalating on me because they can feel it in their bones that I dont give a single fuck.

The hottest woman I ever dated was a Croatian/Dutch beauty that had celebrities pursuing her, yet I had her in my single bed, in a 9 square meter room, begging me to have sex with her while I wanted to continue watching the Venom movie on my laptop.

This is the kind of power that you get as a man when you stop caring and you let this shit go. You become irresistable because your true natural state as a man is STRENGTH. The only thing robbing you of that is your neediness and lack of self connection. When you truly embody this, setting boundaries is easy, being charismatic is easy, leading is easy, expressing yourself sexually is easy, everything just flows.

Once you get in touch with WHY you're truly doing what you're doing and you learn how to give that to yourself, the performance finally ends and everything you ever wanted starts to come to you in abundance.

@LordFall will just do what he does and the right women and men will just naturally be there. No strategy, no optimization, no work needed. Just pure screening.

The mindfuck aspect of this is that when you truly reach this level, you dont even care about girls anymore. 

But you might not be there yet and that's okay. I doubt I would be where Im at if I didnt go through the journey first. 

[LordFall]

@Zenterus I appreciate you sharing my man. It is a sincere inquiry, plenty of people give advice and most of it is untested opinions and coping. Sharing our authentic journeys, struggles and victories is how we can have serious discussions and growth together in my opinion. 

Your journey makes sense. I would say I'm at the middle of the journey. I'm an INTP and I've attracted women through just being myself a normal guy but that didn't really get me the quality of women I wanted nor the lifestyle. I fundamentally identify with my ideas and thinking processes and as I've tried and refined many ideas in my 20s I realized that I'm on the right track but lack the expertise and experience to create the vision I really want. I can't fully feel good about myself until I actualize that potential. At 31 I'm just getting to the point where the ideas are working, my status is growing and the hottest women in my life are attracted to me so I don't see myself stopping this quest anytime soon thus why I'm not considering polyamory and multiple wives. It seems like a logical conclusion to my path.

I see it as a stage yellow pursuit because the further I go the more dots connect. The models I invite to my events are struggling with their careers so I can start an influencer agency to help them. The venue owners I connect with are struggling with hosting and marketing their own events so me figuring out content automation and eventually AI workflows to help them. I'm not meeting musicians and producers that wanna meet with me. The possibilities seem to be endless and especially with my levelling up framework it's definitely intoxicating. Thus my comment on your post on not seeing your love for social pursuits to necessarily be an impediment to your overall growth. 

When I see diminishing returns I'll revaluate but I seem to just be hitting the exponential. 

[moonawakening444]

17 hours ago, integration journey said:

Who gives a shit what anyone prefers.
Do you and the right person will be attracted to you. 

so true, if YOU love and accept your "flaws" other people will reflect that back to you...