Women are attracted to relativity

[Leo Gura]

If a girl is hot to me, she is hot to basically everyone.

That's called having good taste.

Being hot is not as subjective as people want to believe. Everyone sees the hottest girl in the room. Don't kid yourself.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

@Leo Gura What happens if you combine all the hottest girls from all the rooms in one single room?

Which girl is the hottest?

Edited 3 hours ago by Jirh

[StaraX]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What?

Of course it is genuine.

I have gotten girlfriends from my fame alone. In fact, those girlfriends are better than random club girls.

When you have fame, not only do you get more sex, you attract higher quality girls who really appreciate you because they understand your full value.

Nothing is as effective at getting girls than fame. I barely have fame and it still works. Not that I use it much.

When you have fame, girls will just throw themselves at you. Girls will bend over backwards to be with you.

@Leo Gura Is maintaining a hot girl harder than attracting her? I'm trying to figure out how much work and effort the maintenance phase requires. 

[LordFall]

@Jirh Also keep in mind looksmatching which basically makes you attracted to people you think you have a chance with. Your ego doesn’t like to lust after someone they don’t think they can get especially if you haven’t gotten past rejection anxiety. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If a girl is hot to me, she is hot to basically everyone.

That's called having good taste.

Being hot is not as subjective as people want to believe. Everyone sees the hottest girl in the room. Don't kid yourself.

This could just indicate you are more influenced.

This also assumes shared preference will equal better judgement. Weird to leap to make. "Good taste" is badly defined. The whole statement could just indicate you are typical.

I would say you are more sensitive to common beauty signals would be a stronger statement.

[Schizophonia]

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

@Schizophonia I hope you're now gonna make this hinge account ASAP.

 

I'll try to take some cool photos next week; I've gone back to work at the moment so I have less time.

14 hours ago, LordFall said:

 

There is a funny parallel that I read in Cal Newport's book so good they can't ignore you where when you're about to break free of the wage slavery of 9-5 there will be a random force like your boss clamping down on you to make it more difficult. God seems to present us with resistance when we are about to level up to test if we really want to become more powerful or abundant or if we are not ready yet. 

God doesn't test like a sadist, but there is no separation; it's the projection, the manifestation of the ever-present, undesirable self-concept.

"The old man," as Neville Goddard would say.

[Terell Kirby]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Women LOVE to chase guys with status.

We all need to play the status game a bit to survive. With men, we often equate status with money, not necessarily the case.

Women perceive  status in men relative to how other women see them, and whether that is favorable or not, can be both physical and non physical characteristics.

For example, having a personality that is likable and humorous, many women can appreciate this, you can convey high status in this area if she gets a sense that others appreciate it. Same with career competence, mastery in a field, life experience, public speaking skills, quality of social circle, knowing how to dance, fashion/dress etc.

Money and fame are just the most blunt and raw indicators of status, but there are many others men can work to cultivate.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[BlessedLion]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

And men get horny for a vacuum cleaner. So what?

All else being equal woman will choose the high status guy if she can get him. Women LOVE to chase guys with status.

This is actually something i've begun to question. I think it's akin to the black pill ideology that women "only want a rich, tall, ripped guy" which just isn't true. 

Attraction is a skill that can be developed, and when it's all said and done that is what matters. There are guys with tons of money and status who are basically incels and guys who are dead broke but have massive attraction skills.

 

I live in Bali, it's full of ripped rich entreprenuers and lots of the women here see them as corny and girlier than they are. 

 

Is there usually a correlation betwen status and sex? Yes, but that is likely because someone who gains status is already displaying the major pillars of attraction - dominance, confidence, frame, security, etc, so it's more like "high status guys get laid not because of their status but because who they are, which also results in status."

But this idea that status alone is super attractive can be challenged. There's been many examples i've seen in my own life recently in Bali where I go to some Villa party with 2 girls and the guy throwing the party is shooting his shot (and missing) with one of the girls i came with only for her to leave with me. Or like last night i went to World Cup watch party and was hanging out with the hot Dutch girl that the guy who literally organized the party and was DJing for it was trying to get with. 

 

My point is that if you can develop serious attraction skills you can skip all the stupid backwoods ways that guys use to get chicks, like throwing parties, gaining status, making money, imo this is all kinda lame because most of them are just doing it to meet chicks, then the day hits where they realized they lived their whole life around trying to impress women. 

 

If you just act in a powerful manner for no reason other than you decided that you are a high value powerful man (regardless of your money, freinds, job, or looks) and changed your whole self concept and show this in your voice, eye contact and playfulness when talking to women you will get more results than the dude organizing parties and shit just to be seen.

[BlessedLion]

On 6/17/2026 at 6:09 PM, StaraX said:

I'd like to know your opinion on this perspective. Let me be clear: this is not a manosphere argument.

Male attractiveness is much more relative than female attractiveness. Ya'll often talk about a "high-value man," and for men that usually means status, wealth, fame, leadership etc.  In other words, a man's attractiveness is heavily dependent on how much he possesses these qualities relative to other men.

For example, to have high status, there must be many men with lower status. To be wealthy, there must be a poor person. To be a leader, there must be followers. Women's attraction to these traits seems to be based largely on this relativity.

Female attractiveness is  looks.  Men can find a woman attractive within seconds, without comparing her to other women. In other words, her attractiveness is not DEPENDENT on the existence of less attractive, older, overweight, or less desirable women. A woman can be considered attractive on her own merits, whereas a man's attractiveness appears to depend much more on how he ranks compared to other men.

Incorrect (IMO).

 

They actually are the same. The problem is most men don't have high attraction skills, it has little do with status. Status helps sure, let's not deny that, but it's not the core of attraction. 

 

If all men built their attraction skills, then it would be similar to your example of women (that men will just see a woman as hot for her being hot and not need to compare her to a fat or ugly woman) you see what. I am saying? 

 

Women would just see a man as hot becuase the guy is being attractive without needing to compare him to other guys, also if he DIDN'T have attraction skills, she wouldn't see him as hot and it wouldn't matter if there were other guys around. 

 

Similar to how we see a woman and know if she is hot or not no matter who else is around her. 

 

But even that i would challenge too, because if you were on a desert island with a fat ugly girl in a few weeks she would start looking like Jessica Alba.

[Jirh]

After some contemplation, I think the idea of a universally hot woman/man is laughable.

There is no way you can make everyone agree that someone is attractive. Not even a minority will agree on a universally shared preference. Let alone a majority, or everyone.

People of all populations disagree on this topic all the time.

Culture and upbringing influence attraction.

People of different ethnicities have wildly different preferences. And within each one ethnicity, people still have different preferences. People of different ages have different preferences.

What used to be hot in ancient Egypt is probably not hot in the Amazon forests and is probably not hot by modern standards. That doesn't mean Amazon standards and modern standards are the same. What is hot on IG is not hot on TikTok lol.

Personally, I don't find the same girl at the same level of attractiveness at all times. Not because she's changed per se, but because my mood has.

It's just too complex and contextual.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jirh

[LordFall]

It's true. I like mature women and milfs a lot but a lot of popular culture seems to be against older women. 

Mimetic desire is an interesting phenomenon, it talks about how we get most of our desires from other people either due to validation seeking, wanting status or I mean even in a self-exploration way it's a pretty valid way to figure out stuff through other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimetic_theory

Relativity is really a complex thing. 

[Spiral]

Live a fun life and girls will want to be apart of it. Sit at home playing video games and gooning and they don’t. Same with sitting a home theorizing how to get them.

And doing “fun” things to get girls is not a fun life. Having fun certainly includes some exercise and a healthy lifestyle 

Edited 1 hour ago by Spiral

[LordFall]

3 minutes ago, Spiral said:

Live a fun life and girls will want to be apart of it. Sit at home playing video games and gooning and they don’t. Same with sitting a home theorizing how to get them.

And doing “fun” things to get girls is not a fun life. Having fun certainly includes some exercise and a healthy lifestyle 

Obviously have authentic hobbies but getting girls is a legitimate hobby and pursuit. Women are interwoven to our world so tighly that figuring them out teaches you most of what you need to learn about reality. Plenty of things I wouldn't partake in if there were no reward of women and status involved.
It's like Disney World bro, dudes take their kids and girl to Disney World not because they would go by themselves but because it makes for a cool combined experience for all involved. 

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, LordFall said:

It's true. I like mature women and milfs a lot but a lot of popular culture seems to be against older women. 

Mimetic desire is an interesting phenomenon, it talks about how we get most of our desires from other people either due to validation seeking, wanting status or I mean even in a self-exploration way it's a pretty valid way to figure out stuff through other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimetic_theory

Relativity is really a complex thing. 

With a little open-mindedness you can become anything. Sexuality and personality in general are conditioning, reflexes, and they don't depend on much. Tomorrow if I want I could become gay, the next day straight again but with a kink for Black women, the day after that for MILFs, and the day after that for feet… There are no limits in the absolute.

[Terell Kirby]

10 minutes ago, Spiral said:

Live a fun life and girls will want to be apart of it. Sit at home playing video games and gooning and they don’t. Same with sitting a home theorizing how to get them.

And doing “fun” things to get girls is not a fun life. Having fun certainly includes some exercise and a healthy lifestyle 

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